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I hear you and I will sum it this way:
Personal Convictions to do or not do certain things are personal until they impact you, your family and your local church. At that point, those personal convictions are not so personal anymore.
Sadly speaking, not being judgemental, a example of this is Pastor Perry Noble.
He lost his church because his personal convictions did not think having an occasional drink of alcohol was a big deal.
Months later his wife confronted him about his reliance on alcohol to even write sermons.
He ignored her, then his lead elder picked up on it and confronted him and the truth was, by his very own admission, that he was now a drunk.
His personal conviction impacted other things and when they do that, they are no longer personal.
My personal conviction says no Pastor or other Church leader should be using with any form/qty of alcohol or illegal drugs. Smoking and chewing should be shunned as well, but I do not hold fast on those. There is no place for it if you have been called and sent into ministry. Many disagree with me and thats fine. That goes for elders as well.
I could care less of a congregation member has a drink every now and then or smokes or chews.
Personal Convictions to do or not do certain things are personal until they impact you, your family and your local church. At that point, those personal convictions are not so personal anymore.
Sadly speaking, not being judgemental, a example of this is Pastor Perry Noble.
He lost his church because his personal convictions did not think having an occasional drink of alcohol was a big deal.
Months later his wife confronted him about his reliance on alcohol to even write sermons.
He ignored her, then his lead elder picked up on it and confronted him and the truth was, by his very own admission, that he was now a drunk.
His personal conviction impacted other things and when they do that, they are no longer personal.
My personal conviction says no Pastor or other Church leader should be using with any form/qty of alcohol or illegal drugs. Smoking and chewing should be shunned as well, but I do not hold fast on those. There is no place for it if you have been called and sent into ministry. Many disagree with me and thats fine. That goes for elders as well.
I could care less of a congregation member has a drink every now and then or smokes or chews.
Don't ever say stop at a specific verse!!! You obviously don't understand what Paul said. You seem to say that we are able to live sin free. That is the opposite of what Paul said and the rest of the Bible as well. "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Paul is lamenting that he does what he doesn't want to do, sin. He admits his sinful nature causes this. We all have a sinful nature. That is why Jesus had to be the Lamb of God and die on the cross and be resurrected the third day.
J
And as I told fran whom didn't understand,those posts weren't all me,I was with the spirit through much of those previous posts while rather incoherent,for I like paul am willing to be absent from the body and present with the lord, for at such times just as with fran and peter,the holy spirit pours into me and what will result will result I shall not be ashamed of what God has me do,for in such times I am glad to be his spiritual tool,so thereby your claim is rather void because I can only take responsibility for what I said of myself not in the spirit.
You mean the man that had his best friend killed because he made the man's wife pregnant?
In his older age the father of that man caused David's son to try and take the thone. He was killed by the soldiers for that attempt. David grieved for his son.
The Bible says he was a man after God's own heart. That is because he always repented of his sins. He also paid a price for them.
In his older age the father of that man caused David's son to try and take the thone. He was killed by the soldiers for that attempt. David grieved for his son.
The Bible says he was a man after God's own heart. That is because he always repented of his sins. He also paid a price for them.
J
Yeah I don't sense hostility now,naturally there will be butting heads so to speak still but,hopefully in a "respectful"and "non hurt seeking way",that's what has stirred my soul multiple times here,such maliciousness without shame,yet claiming others are the ones doing wrong,I am grateful to storm is over for now and we can continue to discuss with "kindness" "patience" and "understanding" if we so wish and likewise other subjects,no subject should turn from "learning"'and "correction" to "pointing fingers" and trying to shame someone to hide one's own sins,if we are humble with God we ought to be able to be humble to a degree with each other at the very least concerning scripture,because each of us come from different demoninations and believe most likely somewhat different concerning certain biblical subjects,it's tough having a conversation but that's apart of "learning" and "gaining understanding" of one another and our beliefs,now yeah like many I can be harsh,but I don't seek personal targeting on anyone and don't put someone down for believing or not believing something,hate only breeds more hatred,and I prefer to at least "try to get along with others" as per the reason behind my signature,yeah there may be a hinted insult or sarcastic remark between each other because we make mistakes,but somethings a person in Christ doesn't do,one of them being "seeking hurt" it's one thing to say something insulting in the heat of a moment but it's quite another to feed that flame so to speak intentionally with "making things personal" with someone,focus energy to "correct" someone or prove a biblical or moral point is good but when one should always know the fine line between "correcting/teaching" and "intimidating and forcing beliefs on someone".
And I'm not talking about standing firm to one's position they believe is best spiritually,I'm talking about "putting oneself on a pedestal" or speaking on your belief in such a manner that it just has to be true because it's your belief and viewing everyone else's view as wrong and even being condescending toward others,belief can be good if you can handle not having alot of pride with it.
And I'm not talking about standing firm to one's position they believe is best spiritually,I'm talking about "putting oneself on a pedestal" or speaking on your belief in such a manner that it just has to be true because it's your belief and viewing everyone else's view as wrong and even being condescending toward others,belief can be good if you can handle not having alot of pride with it.
Are you speaking of Uriah?
Yes, God calls sinners to repentance, and came to seek and to save them, not the righteous. His saving method has always been the same, by grace.
Because he was regenerate and born again.
Yes, all God's children are chastised because they are sons; Hebrews 12:8, and repentance is a lifestyle, not a one time act; 1 John 1:8-10.
Yes, God calls sinners to repentance, and came to seek and to save them, not the righteous. His saving method has always been the same, by grace.
Because he was regenerate and born again.
Yes, all God's children are chastised because they are sons; Hebrews 12:8, and repentance is a lifestyle, not a one time act; 1 John 1:8-10.
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