GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Grandpa]

Hello Grandpa you seem to be still saying the same things; No one here is telling you or anyone else, that we are saved by what we do apart from faith. So your trying to build an argument that is not there and it is what you always try and do. If you have no argument and people believe and agree with the scriptures you have quoted you have nothing to argue about.

I didn't say anything about salvation.

Not sure why you keep bringing it up.

Unless you just have a guilty conscience.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Your OP is wrong. You can worship on any day you want, but the best is to worship Him every day.
From practical reasons, though, Church needed some day to regularly meet on. From obvious reasons Sunday was chosen. Its not any command. If your church meets on Wednesday, its OK. Thats the reason everybody will ignore it. On Bible discussion forum, your posts must be short and to the point, one or three verses and stop. You cannot steal people's time to require them to respond to 200 verses...

So how would you know if the OP is right or wrong if you have never read it and you cannot show why you believe it is wrong with God's Word? Just saying something is wrong just because you say so does not make anything wrong at all as all your providing is your word over the Word of God when only God's Word is true and you have provided none.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Hi DD,

I will answer your questions if after this you will answer mine? Hope we have a deal in good faith...................

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Three Questions for LoveGodForever.

1) Does Jesus anywhere at all tell us Christians to keep the 4th Commandment?
.

Absolutely. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten commandments and you have all the scriptures already posted by Jesus and the apostles in post # 707 (linked)........................

Matthew 22
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS

Now there is more then enough scriptures posted here and above already to answer your question # 1 but let's see what the scriptures say about Jesus and the Sabbath after all he is OUR EXAMPLE and we should FOLLOW him right? (1 Peter 2:21)

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

There you go question 1 answered....

lol, seriously, lol. Just because you say you answered the question, does not mean you answered the question. All that work you did above and NONE of them answer the question i asked.

Does Jesus anywhere at all tell us Christians to keep the 4th Commandment?

So the answer to this question would indeed have to be from Jesus Himself correct? Yes correct. The answer would also have to be told to Christians. Did you show me any verse which Jesus told us Christians to keep the Sabbath? That answer is NO you did not show one verse in all that you say above where Jesus told, instructed, or commanded Christians to keep the Sabbath. Do you not understand that if there was one verse where Jesus did tell Christians to keep the Sabbath, then i assure you most Christians would be keeping the Sabbath, do you not understand that Jesus never told us Christians to keep the Sabbath, that is something YOU teach.

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Three Questions for LoveGodForever.

2) Does any Apostle anywhere at all tell us Christians to keep the 4th Commandment?
.

Absolutely, God's 4th commandment is one of the ten commandments if we break one we stand guilty before God of breaking them all (James 2:8-12)

God's Law (10 commandments) in the New Testament

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; 1 Peter 2:20-22; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

5 Honor your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

Question 2 answered............

lol, Again, you have not shown one verse that answers the question that i specifically asked.

Nope sorry I am only a messenger. These are God's Words and not mine I am not here to judge you but only to share God's Word with you. If you are BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD all praise to HIM who LOVES all. If you are not then God's Word is true and sharper then any two edged sword and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW Him who is calling us.

The problem here is not following God's Word, the problem is what you think God's Word is saying. YOU think we Christians should keep the 10 Commandments, which God's Word does not teach us Christians to do, this is something that you don't seem to understand.

This is why Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day (John 12:47-48).

Totally agree, and the Word of Jesus never once told us Christians to keep the the 10 commandments, that is what the words of men (YOU) teach. You say we should do what Jesus tells us to do, then you add to His Words that we should also keep the 10 commandments, which thing Jesus nor any Apostle ever taught for us to do. Do you think God is pleased with you trying to add burdens to the Body of Christ which He never did?

You are only a "Christian" if you BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD.

Agreed, i thank God that we ONLY have to obey and follow what the Word of God teaches us to do, and not YOU which is trying to add to us things that we should do, like keep the 10 Commandments.

IF you do not than no matter how you want to spin it if you are STILL in your SINS you do NOT know Him who LOVES all and need to REPENT and seek him while he may be found for forgiveness so you can RECEIVE the Holy Spirit (1 John 3:3-10; Acts 2:38; Acts 3:19; Acts 5:32; Hebrews 19:26-27)

According to the Scriptures and the verse you reference the Holy Ghost is given to those who obey Jesus Christ. And guess what Jesus Christ never once commanded, told us Christians to keep the Sabbath, that is something that YOU teach. Brother, satan has got you spending so much time on this one particular topic that you can't see the TRUTH, nor will you hear it when it presented to you, i will pray for you, i will.

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Three Questions for LoveGodForever.

3) Should we DO what Jesus and His Apostles instruct us to do or do what YOU say Christians should do?
.

We should ONLY do what God asks us to do and is the reason for pointing ALL to GOD'S WORD over the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God and lead others away from Him who LOVES us.

OH my you teach this, yet you are the very one who does not do this, a definition of Hypocrite might be in order here. You say above we should ONLY do what God asks us to do, but then try to teach us to do what YOU say we should do. God never once asks us Christians to continue to keep the 10 commandments, that is what YOU teach. i will pray for you hard.

There is only safety in God's Word and it is there that we should point all because it is ONLY in God's Word that any of us can know His truth and find Jesus. If we follow the teachings of man that break the commandments of God Jesus says we are NOT following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

That is all True, the problem is though you do not understand nor will you believe what His Commandment are. YOU think they are the 10 commandments, i have shown you Scriptures from an Apostle of Jesus Christ which plainly teaches us what His Commandments are, if we break those Commandments then we are not following God, but the problem is, satan has got it into your head that His Commandments are the 10 Commandments that were given to the Israelites to follow and to obey under the old Covenant. You are so distorted on this Truth, i don't think you can even see Straight. i say that because after you seen and read the Scriptures which plainly teach what His Commandments are, you still hold on to that false doctrine that Christians are to continue to keep the 10 commandments, distorted indeed.

There we go I answered all your questions now I hope you do not mind as it is my turn now..............

Just because you say you answered them, does not mean you answered them.

1. IF someone is living a life of known UNREPENTANT SIN, while professing to be a Christian or not, are they in a SAVED state before God or an UNSAVED State before God?

2. Where in God's Word does it say that Gods 4th commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we Christians are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

3. Where does it say in God's Word that Jesus is a Sabbath?

or please show the scriptures from God's Word that says..................

The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

i have answered everyone of these question in another post, will you hear them again? NO, you would not hear them again even if i answered every one of them again, distorted.

Seems there is a lot of holes in what your promoting.

Do you think i am promoting something? What would that be? i am not promoting anything at all. What i am doing is speaking against what you are promoting. distorted. If you think i am promoting something then name what you think i am promoting.

I sincerely hope the questions above will help you in your study of the Word of God.

No.

May God bless you are you seek him through His Word.......

Amen Brother, finally something that you say that is good.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Hi DD,
This might also be a good topic to discuss when you have some time and if you can read the OP here. What are the OLD and New Covenants and what is the difference between the OLD and NEW Covenants mean to you? Look forward to your reply

Start a Thread.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Hi DD you seem to have God's Law (10 commandments) mixed up with the Mosaic laws written by Moses in a book that were shadows pointing to Jesus and fulfilled at the cross. Do you know the difference and purpose of God's Law (10 commandments) and the Mosaic laws written in the book? That is a great topic for discussion as well if you have some time.

May God bless you as you seek him in His Word.

Start a Thread.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi DD,

I will answer your questions if after this you will answer mine? Hope we have a deal in good faith...................

lol, seriously, lol. Just because you say you answered the question, does not mean you answered the question. All that work you did above and NONE of them answer the question i asked.

So the answer to this question would indeed have to be from Jesus Himself correct? Yes correct. The answer would also have to be told to Christians. Did you show me any verse which Jesus told us Christians to keep the Sabbath? That answer is NO you did not show one verse in all that you say above where Jesus told, instructed, or commanded Christians to keep the Sabbath. Do you not understand that if there was one verse where Jesus did tell Christians to keep the Sabbath, then i assure you most Christians would be keeping the Sabbath, do you not understand that Jesus never told us Christians to keep the Sabbath, that is something YOU teach.

lol, Again, you have not shown one verse that answers the question that i specifically asked.

The problem here is not following God's Word, the problem is what you think God's Word is saying. YOU think we Christians should keep the 10 Commandments, which God's Word does not teach us Christians to do, this is something that you don't seem to understand.

This is why Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day (John 12:47-48).

Totally agree, and the Word of Jesus never once told us Christians to keep the the 10 commandments, that is what the words of men (YOU) teach. You say we should do what Jesus tells us to do, then you add to His Words that we should also keep the 10 commandments, which thing Jesus nor any Apostle ever taught for us to do. Do you think God is pleased with you trying to add burdens to the Body of Christ which He never did?

Agreed, i thank God that we ONLY have to obey and follow what the Word of God teaches us to do, and not YOU which is trying to add to us things that we should do, like keep the 10 Commandments.

IF you do not than no matter how you want to spin it if you are STILL in your SINS you do NOT know Him who LOVES all and need to REPENT and seek him while he may be found for forgiveness so you can RECEIVE the Holy Spirit (1 John 3:3-10; Acts 2:38; Acts 3:19; Acts 5:32; Hebrews 19:26-27)

OH my you teach this, yet you are the very one who does not do this, a definition of Hypocrite might be in order here. You say above we should ONLY do what God asks us to do, but then try to teach us to do what YOU say we should do. God never once asks us Christians to continue to keep the 10 commandments, that is what YOU teach. i will pray for you hard.

That is all True, the problem is though you do not understand nor will you believe what His Commandment are. YOU think they are the 10 commandments, i have shown you Scriptures from an Apostle of Jesus Christ which plainly teaches us what His Commandments are, if we break those Commandments then we are not following God, but the problem is, satan has got it into your head that His Commandments are the 10 Commandments that were given to the Israelites to follow and to obey under the old Covenant. You are so distorted on this Truth, i don't think you can even see Straight. i say that because after you seen and read the Scriptures which plainly teach what His Commandments are, you still hold on to that false doctrine that Christians are to continue to keep the 10 commandments, distorted indeed.

Just because you say you answered them, does not mean you answered them.

i have answered everyone of these question in another post, will you hear them again? NO, you would not hear them again even if i answered every one of them again, distorted.

Do you think i am promoting something? What would that be? i am not promoting anything at all. What i am doing is speaking against what you are promoting. distorted. If you think i am promoting something then name what you think i am promoting.

No. Amen Brother, finally something that you say that is good. ^i^††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Hi DD, Nice deflect. You ignore all the posts and scriptures I send you? Although it is your loss not mine and I see you have answered NONE of the questions I have provided you how sad....

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

LoveGodForever teaches if we don't keep the 4th Commandment we are breaking the Commandments of God. Scriptures teach if we believe on Jesus and Love One Another we are KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. ^i^ ††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ ††† DiscipleDave

Hi DD,

Hello.

It is not about this or that. It is about SIN which is breaking any of God's Commandments that is the problem

The problem is you Think God's Commandments to Christians is to keep the 10 Commandments given to Israel. That is the Problem. You do not understand God's Commandments to Christians is plainly and clearly written in the Word of God to 1) Believe on Jesus and 2) Love One Another.

and how anyone living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN is not in a saved state before God.

No person in a state of Unrepentant sin is in a Saved state.

Jesus is soon to return.

True, and those who are keeping His Commandments (believing in Jesus and Loving One Another) will be taken up with Him.
Are you aware that i can keep the 10 Commandments perfectly and burn in Hell for all Eternity?

i can keep all 10 Commandments PERFECTLY and hate someone and burn in Hell for all Eternity.
i can keep all 10 Commandments PERFECTLY and do not forgive someone and burn in Hell for all Eternity.
i can keep all 10 Commandments PERFECTLY and NOT LOVE ONE ANOTHER and burn in Hell for all Eternity.
i can keep all 10 Commandments PERFECTLY and do one of the things listed in the following verses and burn in Hell for all eternity.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

So continue to teach the importance of keeping the 10 Commandments which by no means grants you passage into Heaven, and i will continue to keep God's Commandments to Christians which is to believe in Jesus and Love One Another.

In our lifetime or not, it does not matter only now if you hear His Voice harden not your heart like in the day of provocation but exhort one another daily, while it is called today; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of SIN. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end;

Amen Brother.

We only have today and if anyone is living their life in known unrepentant SIN they are not ready for my Lords return because he will come as a thief like in the days of Noah and Sodom saying where is the sign of His coming for all things continue as before.... Anyone worshiping their idols that follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not ready for His return.

Amen Brother, and according to the Apostle John the Commandments of God are to 1) Believe on His Son Jesus Christ and 2) Love One Another. Do those two things and you are indeed keeping the Commandments of God. But woe to them who teach the Commandments of God are something contrary to what the Apostle John taught us. Woe to them indeed.

It is my duty of LOVE to my neighbor to share God's Word to all that will hear and to WARN him that may be in SIN because if I do not my Lord will require my neighbors blood as Cain and ask where is thy brother. We can not say to him who loves all like Cain I am not my brothers keeper when God has asked us to LOVE as he has first loved us.

Amen.

It's never been about following the law for salvation. Its always been about following Christ by faith through love alone. Faith that works by love is what fulfills God's Law in those that walk in His Spirit (Romans 13:8-10). Obedience is only the fruit of faith and a sign that someone is genuinely following God's Word (Matthew 7:17-27).

You say something like this, which is very spiritual and True, it blows my mind that you are stuck on the 10 Commandments for some reason.

If you seek obedience without faith you will never attain it because this is the gift of God written on the heart (Ephesians 2:8; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 8:10-12). But if you believe God's Word, your faith will be counted for righteousness in God's eyes (Romans 1:17; Philippians 3:9). If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience (God's work in you) than you are still in your sins and have not seen him or known him and your faith is dead (Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-9).

Amen, you show Spiritual knowledge here, but then reveal false doctrines elsewhere concerning the 10 commandments. Like unto a water fountain that flows both good and bad water from the same fountain.

SIN will keep you out of God's Kingdom so the call goes forth from God's Word REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at hand. We only have today to choose who we will follow. The teachings and traditions of man or the Word of God?

Amen, obey what Jesus and His Apostles teach us Christians to do and you will be abiding in the Word of God.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

And there it is, bad water.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Teaching that we Christians are to keep the Sabbath is a teaching of man that has lead many to become confused, which confusion is from the devil.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

word of men teach Christians should keep the 10 commandments. Word of God teaches we don't have to.

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Act_15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave NO such commandment:

Don't YOU teach we should keep the Law? What? Word of God says we Christians don't have to keep the Law, teaches we are not under the law, but you teach we should be under the law, that we should keep the 10 commandments. Then you say we should not obey men but the Word of God. IN essence you are teaching people "Don't listen to me, but listen to the Word of God" sound advice, everyone should do just that.
word of LoveGodForever teaches we should be under the law.
Word of God teaches we are not under the law.
word of LoveGodForever teaches we should keep the law.
Word of God teaches we don't have to keep the law.
Your right LoveGodForever we should not listen to men but listen to the Word of God, good advice.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

Amen, you too Brother.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Hi DD, Nice deflect. You ignore all the posts and scriptures I send you? Although it is your loss not mine and I see you have answered NONE of the questions I have provided you how sad....

sigh.......


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DiscipleDave

 

[trofimus]

So how would you know if the OP is right or wrong if you have never read

There are not just two options "read vs did not read".

There is also a third one - fast reading. I see errors here and there and I do not have to continue to the long end.

 

[trofimus]

God's Word is true and you have provided none.

I have given you verses from the Bible in my post #764.

 

[beta]

I have given you verses from the Bible in my post #764.

What...the Bible you more or less told me to ignore ..now has some purpose because YOU quote it ?

 

[valiant]

What...the Bible you more or less told me to ignore ..now has some purpose because YOU quote it ?

This is pure deceit.

 

[trofimus]

What...the Bible you more or less told me to ignore ..now has some purpose because YOU quote it ?

When did I tell you to ignore Bible?

 

[LoveGodForever]

I have given you verses from the Bible in my post #764.

Yet none of those verses support your interpretation of them as shown here in Post # 770 (linked) which you have not responded to? Sorry friend we cannot believe you over the Word of God. We must follow him who loves all because we hear His Voice calling and God's sheep hear His voice. It is the Word of God....

 

[LoveGodForever]

There are not just two options "read vs did not read". There is also a third one - fast reading. I see errors here and there and I do not have to continue to the long end.

Yet you have not addressed the OP or have you pointed out any errors but just say. It's WRONG it's WRONG, and we should believe you over the 200+ scriptures which disagree with you why?

 

[trofimus]

Yet none of those verses support your interpretation of them as shown here in Post # 770 (linked) which you have not responded to? Sorry friend we cannot believe you over the Word of God. We must follow him who loves all because we hear His Voice calling and God's sheep hear His voice. It is the Word of God....

I have responded to your post #770 in my post #771

Also, you are still trying to position yourself to "God's side" and me to "man's side" which is not working. Its me and you.

 

[trofimus]

Yet you have not addressed the OP or have you pointed out any errors but just say. It's WRONG it's WRONG, and we should believe you over the 200+ scriptures which disagree with you why?

We are not in the year 50 AD. All your wrong teachings were already solved inside Christianity thousands years ago.

So there is no need for anyone of us to respond to 200+ verses you selected. Its already done. Read. We do not need to invent a wheel.

Also, I do not expect anybody on this forum to change his mind just because of me. So, if you do not believe the New Testament and what the early church decided, I do not think I will change you.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Here you go post # 770

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

You are wrong however as there is NO scripture in God's Word that says that God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED..

Originally Posted by trofimus

​"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything [from the Law] beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell."
(Acts 15:28-29)

Hello friend, you are missing the CONTEXT of Acts 15 which is talking about the Jewish believers that thought that the new Gentile believers needed to be circumcised in order to be saved.

Acts 15
1, And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2, When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
3, And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
4, And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
5, But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6, And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

There is no mention in Acts 15 about God's 4th commandment as well as the other nine. Circumcision is was part of the Mosaic law that is fulfilled in Christ (Circumcision of the heart) and the promise of the New Covenant of God's Laws written on the heart (Romans 2:29; Hebrews 8:10-12)

So nope that is not saying the God's 4th commandment has now been ABOLISHED.........

Originally Posted by trofimus

"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind." (Rom 14:5)

Romans 14 is an interesting chapter that discusses the annual Jewish festivals and holy days, as well as fasting and not eating food from the shambles (food sacrificed to idols) and judging others in relation to the above. There is no mention of God's 4th commandment in the entire Chapter of Romans 14.....

So nope that is not saying the God's 4th commandment has now been ABOLISHED.........

Originally Posted by trofimus "Therefore do not let anyone judge you because of Sabbaths. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." (Col 2:16-17)

Well this only tells me you have not read the OP as you have not answered the OP on the scripture above with is talking about the annual Jewish festivals and holy convocations, which included the new mood and annual Sabbaths that were NOT God's 4th commandment but part of the Mosaic laws written in the book and could fall on ANY Day of the week unlike God's 4th commandment which is EVERY 7th Day (Leviticus 23 see also Wiki). If you read the OP and the scriptures there you would know this seems you have not.

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You should at least have a read of the OP on Col 2:14-17 as there is more then 200+ scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of the scriptures.

So nope that is not saying the God's 4th commandment has now been ABOLISHED.........

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we break any one of the ten we stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-11) and need to repent and seek his forgiveness (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9). Those that continue a life in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

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Then you responded with post # 771 here linked quoting yourself over the Word of God without evening answering post 770.............

Your OP is wrong.

You can worship on any day you want, but the best is to worship Him every day.
From practical reasons, though, Church needed some day to regularly meet on. From obvious reasons Sunday was chosen. Its not any command. If your church meets on Wednesday, its OK.

Thats the reason everybody will ignore it. On Bible discussion forum, your posts must be short and to the point, one or three verses and stop. You cannot steal people's time to require them to respond to 200 verses...

So like I said earlier why should we believe you over the Word of God? I believe ALL of God's Word how about you?

 

[LoveGodForever]

We are not in the year 50 AD. All your wrong teachings were already solved inside Christianity thousands years ago. So there is no need for anyone of us to respond to 200+ verses you selected. Its already done. Read. We do not need to invent a wheel. Also, I do not expect anybody on this forum to change his mind just because of me. So, if you do not believe the New Testament and what the early church decided, I do not think I will change you.

What wrong teachings you still have not said what is wrong or provided scripture that supports what you are saying

 

[valiant]

COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 PART 1/2 THE REAL TRUTH

The above scripture is used by the “many” to distance themselves from Gods weekly Sabbath day of the 4th commandment.

It is one among many Scriptures. And quite rightly so. The Sabbath was given to Israel as a special sign that they were God's people. The New Testament knows nothing of such a requirement on Christians.

This is for those that may be interested in learning the real meaning of the scriptures and not that of those leading others to break the commandments of God to follow the traditions and teachings of man over the Word of God. So, what is Col. 2{16} really talking about.?

Let's use the scriptures interpret scripture.............................

which means your opinion LOL

COL. 2 [16]

Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY, or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAY(S) <plural>:

It is quite clear, -- of (all) Sabbaths.

EZEKIEL 45 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATH(S), in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

This also refers to the Sabbath days each week (and the new moons each month)

Here’s a scripture, same exact order as Col 2{16}, meat, drink, holy days (feast days), new moons, Sabbath(s). No doubt what so ever these 2 scriptures are speaking of the same thing.

Yes the weekly occurrence of the Sabbath and the monthly occurrence of the new moon.