Yep only If a branch abide to the vine, Will bear the fruit. A branch can not bear the fruit of itself
Is the Law love?
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Yep only If a branch abide to the vine, Will bear the fruit. A branch can not bear the fruit of itself
You are trying to address two separate issues at the same time: (a) whether the Law is indeed Love and (b) whether the unsaved love or simply obey the dictates of their conscience.
Yes, the unsaved obey the dictates of their conscience, but God says that when they do so they are also obeying the Law (Rom 2:10-16):
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another:
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
As to knowing God, it begins with believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, but that is a separate issue.
Christians need to understand that the Law has two functions (1) to declare the whole world guilty before God, and (2) to manifest the righteousness of the Law through the power of the Spirit in those who are saved -- That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Rom 8:4).
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The Bible says we love because God loves first
The unsaved have never experienced Gods love.
They can obey aspects of true law
They can not do it BECAUSE they love. Meaning the law and love are not the same.
Give it up man. Your fighting a lost cause.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 2:9, “But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 2:9, “But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]
If you do not speak with Love, if you do not act with Love, if you do not express with Love, if you do not intend with Love;
Then you can be righteous all you want, you can follow the commandments all you want, but it won't mean anything.
However people get Love and Righteousness confused, and then they turn Love into something logical and call it being righteous. This is how people defend being righteous!
Then you can be righteous all you want, you can follow the commandments all you want, but it won't mean anything.
However people get Love and Righteousness confused, and then they turn Love into something logical and call it being righteous. This is how people defend being righteous!
1 John 4
7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 12No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 13Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Now the Greatest Commandment and the second like it given by the Messiah.. is to Love.....and the Lord stating to Keep even the Least Commandment.. come on guys.. the Messiah freed us so we could Love GOD and each other without the condemnation.. to be born again of the Holy Spirit ..
What you Believe and whom you set your heart to obey..
7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 12No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 13Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Now the Greatest Commandment and the second like it given by the Messiah.. is to Love.....and the Lord stating to Keep even the Least Commandment.. come on guys.. the Messiah freed us so we could Love GOD and each other without the condemnation.. to be born again of the Holy Spirit ..
What you Believe and whom you set your heart to obey..
can someone follow the Commandments and not be loving? Would not stealing be not loving and breaking a Commandment? Now apply this to every Command, what one can we break and be loving? Thus If we don't love we don't keep them. It would be not loving to lie, that is also sin (breaking Commandment) It would be not loving to deal falsely, that would break a commandment.
I think people could appear to be "keeping Commandments" and not be loving, but they would not actuallybe keeping them.
I don't know if I explained that right but I think enought to show whay Im trying to say.
1 corintian 13
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
you can feed the poor, give your body to be burn etc If you do It without love, It doesn't mean anything in the eyes of God
it's mean, one may give him self to be burn without love, It may for fame.
As The Apostle John wrote , not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee in 2 John 1:5
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Shalom
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Shalom
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:9-16, “How would a young man cleanse his path? To guard it according to Your word. I have sought You with all my heart; Let me not stray from Your commands! I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You. Blessed are You, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]! Teach me Your laws. With my lips I have recounted All the right-rulings of Your mouth. I have rejoiced in the way of Your witnesses, As over all riches. I meditate on Your orders, And regard Your ways. I delight myself in Your laws; I do not forget Your word”[/FONT]
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Yes actually they can. Did the pharisees love when they followed the law? How about the levites? Isreal could not even understand and had to add laws thinking it would help them and make it even harder than mosaic law (a form of human good() because they could not understand what it really took to be obedient.
Give me a law (do not do this) I can do it 24/7 and never have a bit of love for anyone. I can do it to puff myself up (look how Good I am) I can do it because I am trying to earn something (Whatever that mighty be, some do it to earn salvation)
What a lot of people do not understand is that it is easy to see a licentious believer (one who loves sin) it is not easy to see a self righteous believer (because they can obey laws and appear morally upright, while having no love for God or anyone else) and they can do that for years without anyone knowing any different.
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it is? Where?
The bible teaches LOVE is HOW we fullfill the law. it does not say the LAW is love
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Yes and No. To answer a question with a question, is that person who has been enjoined to the law entreated to the promise or to sin?
Shaul, (Paul) taught keeping the Law is like having a good school master over you leading you the way you should go.
To a person who remains in the Messiah the Law in truth is just that, Truth. He lives in the morning praising Elohi and goes to sleep at night with a clean conscience, praising Elohi's Son for all that was accomplished.
If you have any child and have noticed how quickly they pick up new things, just imagine how much the world would be effected by the way being introduced to a people who threw themselves into the good works preordained for mankind to live in. We are not called to revive the dead church, today we are called to come out of her. That means leaving now and for all the worthless and meaningless practicing of man's religion. We have such a beautiful and rich heritage in the Word of God. Without it we are without anything.
Shalom to those near and to those far from the promise. That you too may increase your hope in the Master Yahshua Messiah return to the ancient path and have rest for the soul. John Talmid
Yes and No. To answer a question with a question, is that person who has been enjoined to the law entreated to the promise or to sin?
Shaul, (Paul) taught keeping the Law is like having a good school master over you leading you the way you should go.
To a person who remains in the Messiah the Law in truth is just that, Truth. He lives in the morning praising Elohi and goes to sleep at night with a clean conscience, praising Elohi's Son for all that was accomplished.
If you have any child and have noticed how quickly they pick up new things, just imagine how much the world would be effected by the way being introduced to a people who threw themselves into the good works preordained for mankind to live in. We are not called to revive the dead church, today we are called to come out of her. That means leaving now and for all the worthless and meaningless practicing of man's religion. We have such a beautiful and rich heritage in the Word of God. Without it we are without anything.
Shalom to those near and to those far from the promise. That you too may increase your hope in the Master Yahshua Messiah return to the ancient path and have rest for the soul. John Talmid
Deuteronomy 6 King James Version (KJV)6 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the Lord God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
All one needs to do is read this passage which is so central to the Jewish concept of God and the law. God is love and all He does or gives to His people will always be love.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the Lord God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
All one needs to do is read this passage which is so central to the Jewish concept of God and the law. God is love and all He does or gives to His people will always be love.
Intentions of the heart are a root or the root of ones actions in truth!
Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”
Except the pharisees di not follow the Law, they made their own man madde law that they claimed superseeded YHWH's Law thus they wwere not following His Law they were following their own law. One can not alter it and claim it is of the Most Higfh.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."
fake following is not following, it can appear to be following but it is not, men can fool men, but men can not fool YHWH.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 62:9-12, “Sons of Aḏam are but a breath, Sons of men are a lie; If weighed in the scales, They are altogether lighter than breath. Do not trust in oppression. And do not become vain in robbery; If riches increase, Do not set your heart on them. The Mighty One has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That strength belongs to Yah. And loving-commitment is Yours, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]; For You reward each one according to his work.”[/FONT]
"[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him[/FONT]"
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]