GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

this is the problem right here. u guys are stuck thinking ur israelites in the old covenant.

Well that is NOT true at all. Seems you DO NOT understand who or what is God's Israel.

Let's have a look at what God's Word says............

Who are Israel?

"Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. The origin of the name "Israel" come from Genesis 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

Israel is only a name given by God that represents God's people and today anyone who is following Jesus is part of God's Israel according to God's Word.

What does God's Word say.....................................................................…

Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, AND TO YOUR SEED, WHICH IS CHRIST (Galatians 3:16)

Abraham’s seed is Israel................................................

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........................

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

Believe the scriptures......................................................................

Galatians 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........................

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11). If we break one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking them all (James 2:8-12)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

Amen this is talking about the new Covenant of God's Law written on the heart through LOVE linked here given to God's true Israel who God's Word says are the BELIEVERS and FOLLOWERS of GOD'S WORD .......

Hebrews 8
10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11, And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12, For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Are you a part of God's Israel?

 

[Grandpa]

There's no question about the answer to this question if you rightly divide the word of God! This is why old law and new law...the New testament gospel verses the law...will always be an argument until the Lord God Almighty explains it to those that just can't grasp it...

That was a lot nicer than the way I said it.

 

[valiant]

Well that is NOT true at all. Seems you DO NOT understand who or what is God's Israel.

Let's have a look at what God's Word says............

Who are Israel?

"Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. The origin of the name "Israel" come from Genesis 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

Israel is only a name given by God that represents God's people and today anyone who is following Jesus is part of God's Israel according to God's Word.

What does God's Word say.....................................................................…

Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, AND TO YOUR SEED, WHICH IS CHRIST (Galatians 3:16)

Abraham’s seed is Israel................................................

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........................

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

Believe the scriptures......................................................................

Galatians 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........................

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11). If we break one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking them all (James 2:8-12)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?




Amen this is talking about the new Covenant of God's Law written on the heart through LOVE linked here given to God's true Israel who God's Word says are the BELIEVERS and FOLLOWERS of GOD'S WORD .......

Hebrews 8
10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11, And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12, For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Are you a part of God's Israel?

But I am not a part of those who escaped the house of bondage, the physical Israel to whom the old covenant with its ten words was given. That covenant is NOT the new covenant.

 

[Lighthearted]

The commandments are old law...for the Jews. I'm not a Jew. My salvation rests on faith and belief in the gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. As long as I believe God's word that Christ was crucified and raised according to His word...God's promise of everlasting life is TRUE! His PROMISE stands. The commandments are all hung on TWO in the NEW Testament! Love the Lord Jesus Christ and love one another as He loves us! Galations 3 teaches the difference...
You don't lose your salvation because you break the old commandments and sin people...but obeying God and trying to live as God wanted us to...is GOOD for us! It makes life a whole lot easier!
We've got to stop confusing people with the old law. We need to preach the gospel according to PAUL!

The old laws and works aren't for US! It's for the Jews...it's for Israel! Hello...! Its in God's word,!

 

[Snoozy]

we are partakers. we are abraham's seed by faith.

u dont lose ur nationality when u get saved. how many times has galatians been quoted zzzz. u are still a jew or a greek when u get saved. its talking about salvation, there is only one way to get saved and thats in Christ Jesus it dont matter what u are.

 

[LoveGodForever]

The commandments are old law...for the Jews. I'm not a Jew. My salvation rests on faith and belief in the gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. As long as I believe God's word that Christ was crucified and raised according to His word...God's promise of everlasting life is TRUE! His PROMISE stands. The commandments are all hung on TWO in the NEW Testament! Love the Lord Jesus Christ and love one another as He loves us! Galations 3 teaches the difference...
You don't lose your salvation because you break the old commandments and sin people...but obeying God and trying to live as God wanted us to...is GOOD for us! It makes life a whole lot easier!
We've got to stop confusing people with the old law. We need to preach the gospel according to PAUL! The old laws and works aren't for US! It's for the Jews...it's for Israel! Hello...! Its in God's word,!

Hello lighthearted,

Nice to meet you and welcome here. Maybe we should make things clear in case you have a misunderstanding on what is being said here. NO ONE is telling ANYONE that we or anyone else are saved by the WORKS of the LAW. All are saved by GRACE through FAITH it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest any man should boast.

What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom. If you profess to have saving FAITH but your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Word then your faith is DEAD and you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE all as he first LOVED us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those who walk by FAITH in God's Spirit. (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 7:13-20)

There are only two classes of people spoken about in God's Word. These are those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Hope this helps

May God bless you are you seek Him who loves all.....

 

[beta]

But I am not a part of those who escaped the house of bondage, the physical Israel to whom the old covenant with its ten words was given. That covenant is NOT the new covenant.

just a simple question Valiant....if you are not with those who escaped 'bondage - are;t you then STILL in bondage to sin ? Then it was physical...now it is spiritual. Also remember 'a mixed multitude were with Israel then...and now also from every nationality...isnt God trying to bring all people into ONE fold ? there is no 'them and us.

 

[Lighthearted]

I'm not arguing salvation. Jesus is THE way, the truth, and the life! His blood fulfilled the law!

 

[LoveGodForever]

we are partakers. we are abraham's seed by faith. u dont lose ur nationality when u get saved. how many times has galatians been quoted zzzz. u are still a jew or a greek when u get saved. its talking about salvation, there is only one way to get saved and thats in Christ Jesus it dont matter what u are.

Hi Snoozy,

Choose to BELIEVE God's Word or not it is up to you. I do not judge you because it is God's Word that judges all in the last days.

John 12
47, If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48, He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come calls all men EVERYWHERE to REPENT (Acts 17:30-31). We must choose to BELIEVE God's Word or NOT. UNBELIEVERS however will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN (Hebrews 10:26-27)

We only have today to hear His Voice. Tomorrow may be too late.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I'm not arguing salvation. Jesus is THE way, the truth, and the life! His blood fulfilled the law!

You ONLY have SALVATION through FAITH in God's Word. If you do NOT KNOW God's Word you do not know him who LOVES all. IF you do NOT know him who LOVES ALL how can you LOVE others like he first LOVED you? He that does NOT LOVE does NOT KNOW God because God IS LOVE. FAITH is the VICTORY that overcomes the WORLD. SIN will keep you OUT of God's kingdom. He that says I KNOW HIM but does NOT keep HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR and the TRUTH is not IN HIM. This is why Jesus says; IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. If the Son shall make you free you shall be FREE in deed to LOVE as HE first loved us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those that WALK in the SPIRIT through FAITH. If your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of obedience it is dead and you are still in your SINS and need to be born again to LOVE

 

[Snoozy]

Hi Snoozy,

Choose to BELIEVE God's Word or not it is up to you. I do not judge you because it is God's Word that judges all in the last days.

this is what u do

choose to believe God's word. post a bunch of scripture here and there. then say God bless u in ur search for truth.

most people here do choose to believe God's word. not the adventist interpretation of it.

 

[LoveGodForever]

this is what u do
choose to believe God's word. post a bunch of scripture here and there. then say God bless u in ur search for truth.
most people here do choose to believe God's word. not the adventist interpretation of it.

Only those that are BY FAITH who are living and following the WORD that God has given them are God's BELIEVERS.

In the days of Jesus the Jews claimed to be God's people because they were the seed of Abraham. Jesus told them that if they were the children of Abraham they would do the works of Abraham. For not the hearers of the law are justified before God but the doers of the law shall be justified. Faith without works is dead because it does NOT have the fruit of OBEDIENCE.

AS we GROW in grace and the KNOWLEDGE of HIM who LOVES all, we become CHANGED to be more LIKE HIM who LOVES ALL. We do NOT know everything when we are a NEW BORN and feed on the MILK of the WORD and in times of IGNORANCE God winks at. However when God gives us a KNOWLEDGE of HIS TRUTH through the WORD it is up to us to have FAITH and to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. This is called growing in faith and grace.

IF after God gives us a KNOWLEDGE of HIS truth through HIS WORD we CHOOSE NOT to BELIEVE God then we are NO LONGER a BELIEVER but have become an UNBELIEVER. IF you choose NOT to BELIEVE God's WORD and your UNBELIEF leads you to SIN then your SIN and UNBELIEF WILL keep you OUT of God's Kingdom because you have NOW become an UNBELIEVER by REJECTING God's Word.

As said earlier, there is NO SCRIPTURE that says that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to keep Sunday as a HOLY day..................

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[followjesus]

Hello lighthearted,

Nice to meet you and welcome here. Maybe we should make things clear in case you have a misunderstanding on what is being said here. NO ONE is telling ANYONE that we or anyone else are saved by the WORKS of the LAW. All are saved by GRACE through FAITH it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest any man should boast.

What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom. If you profess to have saving FAITH but your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Word then your faith is DEAD and you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE all as he first LOVED us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those who walk by FAITH in God's Spirit. (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 7:13-20)

There are only two classes of people spoken about in God's Word. These are those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Hope this helps

May God bless you are you seek Him who loves all.....

One of the best comments ive ever read on this site, God bless thanks for that answer good stuff .

faith saves us because faith obeys God, people have distorted things to omit the faith part required of us. Faith without action is dead. Faith is defined clearly in the Bible

hebrews 11 :6-19 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. 7By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

11Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.12Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:19Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure." ( a foreshadow or foretelling of Jesus the true seed and true Begotten Son )


Faith, believes what God says, His words are always Promise, and instruction. we have to believe the promises so we will obey the instructions God has given. The Bible is Like a treasure map to a great infinite wealth of treasure. iof you have the treasure map, and you dont think it will really lea to treasure....chances are you arent going to bother setting out on the journey.

But... if you believe the promises in Christ Jesus that are so beyond mans ability to truly concieve what He has prepared for " Those who Love Him" , eternal Life in the Kingdom of God is a gift, offered because God is gracious and He Loves mankind. the process of salvation requires us to see the " Better Home, the promised Land" Eternal Life a new Heaven and earth. we live by Faith in the promises of God, not well be blessed financuially if we sow a seed" type promises...but the true Promises of the Gospel, those made by the very One who suffered and bled to win the day and give His inheritance of eternal Life...to those who Love him.


Then we also have to accept, " if any man Loves me, he will keep my words, my teachings, my ways, my commandments, if anyman does not Love me...He will not keep my words, my teachings, sayings and commands, this is not my Word, but the Word of God the Father who sent me."

or when John makes clear " this is the Love of God, that we keep His commandments and they are not a greivance to us to keep them...Our hearts are filled with gratitude for "the works of the cross" we understand " Jesus was spit upon. mocked accused, condemned, beaten, treated as a common criminal, lashed, stripped and crucified with thieves and robbers. He was made a public spectacle on our behalf, a public execution from which the term " excruciating pain" is exhumed.

we Owe Jesus Christ everything, everyday because without His Heroic character, and valiant actions, his genuine greatest Love for us, we were already dead, we just didnt realize it yet, now we are offered Life again with God for eternity, the right to have Hi, dwell among and within us by His spirit. all because of Jesus and just Who he is and even more than this Look what He says to those who serve Him on earth....


Luke 12:37 "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them."


Jesus teaches us to do the things he teaches us...because He is that way, the son of God....teaching the children of God to be..the Children of God in truth and spirit. Jesus is so worthy to yoke ourselves to. He humbkled His glory with God and became like us, in order to teach us the true ways of God, and then suffer and die for our transgressions that caused our condemnation to begin with.

then He rose vioctorious, was seated at Gods right Hand, to ever be our intercessor and atonement, to mediate a relationship with God the Father, He Lives to keep us alive unto God as we work out our own salvation standing in the Grace provided By God through Jesus Christ.

 

[LoveGodForever]

One of the best comments ive ever read on this site, God bless thanks for that answer good stuff .

faith saves us because faith obeys God, people have distorted things to omit the faith part required of us. Faith without action is dead. Faith is defined clearly in the Bible

hebrews 11 :6-19 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. 7By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

11Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.12Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:19Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure." ( a foreshadow or foretelling of Jesus the true seed and true Begotten Son )

Faith, believes what God says, His words are always Promise, and instruction. we have to believe the promises so we will obey the instructions God has given. The Bible is Like a treasure map to a great infinite wealth of treasure. iof you have the treasure map, and you dont think it will really lea to treasure....chances are you arent going to bother setting out on the journey.

But... if you believe the promises in Christ Jesus that are so beyond mans ability to truly concieve what He has prepared for " Those who Love Him" , eternal Life in the Kingdom of God is a gift, offered because God is gracious and He Loves mankind. the process of salvation requires us to see the " Better Home, the promised Land" Eternal Life a new Heaven and earth. we live by Faith in the promises of God, not well be blessed financuially if we sow a seed" type promises...but the true Promises of the Gospel, those made by the very One who suffered and bled to win the day and give His inheritance of eternal Life...to those who Love him.

Then we also have to accept, " if any man Loves me, he will keep my words, my teachings, my ways, my commandments, if anyman does not Love me...He will not keep my words, my teachings, sayings and commands, this is not my Word, but the Word of God the Father who sent me."

or when John makes clear " this is the Love of God, that we keep His commandments and they are not a greivance to us to keep them...Our hearts are filled with gratitude for "the works of the cross" we understand " Jesus was spit upon. mocked accused, condemned, beaten, treated as a common criminal, lashed, stripped and crucified with thieves and robbers. He was made a public spectacle on our behalf, a public execution from which the term " excruciating pain" is exhumed.

we Owe Jesus Christ everything, everyday because without His Heroic character, and valiant actions, his genuine greatest Love for us, we were already dead, we just didnt realize it yet, now we are offered Life again with God for eternity, the right to have Hi, dwell among and within us by His spirit. all because of Jesus and just Who he is and even more than this Look what He says to those who serve Him on earth....

Luke 12:37 "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them."

Jesus teaches us to do the things he teaches us...because He is that way, the son of God....teaching the children of God to be..the Children of God in truth and spirit. Jesus is so worthy to yoke ourselves to. He humbkled His glory with God and became like us, in order to teach us the true ways of God, and then suffer and die for our transgressions that caused our condemnation to begin with.

then He rose vioctorious, was seated at Gods right Hand, to ever be our intercessor and atonement, to mediate a relationship with God the Father, He Lives to keep us alive unto God as we work out our own salvation standing in the Grace provided By God through Jesus Christ.

Hi followjesus,

God bless you. This is the important part which is HE must INCREASE and WE must DECREASE. We must point all to the LAMB of GOD which TAKES AWAY the SINS of the WORLD. IT is ONLY through the WORD of God that we have LIFE by FAITH. This is because Jesus IS THE WORD of God and it is ONLY in the WORD of GOD that any of us can FIND HIM who LOVES ALL. We must point ALL to GOD'S WORD and NOT to the teachings and traditions of MAN. ONLY in the WORD we have LIFE as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW Him who calls us. God's Sheep hear HIs Voice (the WORD)...

May God bless you as you continue in His Word....

 

[rstrats]

LoveGodForever,
re: "Choose to BELIEVE God's Word or not it is up to you."
re: "We must choose to BELIEVE God's Word or NOT."


Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but are you actually suggesting that beliefs can be consciously chosen?

 

[valiant]

just a simple question Valiant....if you are not with those who escaped 'bondage - are;t you then STILL in bondage to sin ?

Jut a simple answer, Beta. NO!!! I was not in bondage to the Egyptians. I was in bondage to sin. And I was not delivered by Moses under the old covenant. I was delivered by Jesus under the New..

That's the problem with you people. You are still under Moses.


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Then it was physical...now it is spiritual.

so they're all the same to you? Jesus need never have died?

Also remember 'a mixed multitude were with Israel then...and now also from every nationality...isnt God trying to bring all people into ONE fold ? there is no 'them and us.

But they were in the old covenant with Israel, we are in the new covenant with Christ. Which are you in?????

 

[valiant]

This is the important part which is HE must INCREASE and WE must DECREASE.

Y
es, so Moses must decrease, and Jesus must increase. That is so true.

We must point all to the LAMB of GOD which TAKES AWAY the SINS of the WORLD. IT is ONLY through the WORD of God that we have LIFE by FAITH.

Yes, not through Jesus and Moses, but through Jesus ONLY.

This is because Jesus IS THE WORD of God and it is ONLY in the WORD of GOD that any of us can FIND HIM who LOVES ALL.

Are you making Jesus nothing but a book, however inspired?? Jesus is greater the the book,

We must point ALL to GOD'S WORD and NOT to the teachings and traditions of MAN.

Yes but we must rightly divide it. Where in the New Testament do you find the keeping of the Sabbath enjoined?

ONLY in the WORD we have LIFE as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW Him who calls us. God's Sheep hear HIs Voice (the WORD)...

Are you following a book which covers different ages. I follow Jesus Who introduced the NEW COVENANT

 

[LoveGodForever]

LoveGodForever,
re: "Choose to BELIEVE God's Word or not it is up to you."
re: "We must choose to BELIEVE God's Word or NOT."
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but are you actually suggesting that beliefs can be consciously chosen?

Hi rstrats,

Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. God will be your teaching as you seek Him through HIS WORD asking HIM to be your teacher through HIS Spirit (John 14:26)

God says THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY and we commit ADULTERY are we choosing to BELIEVE GOD or NOT BELIEVE GOD? We know that the law is HOLY and GOOD but I am carnal sold under SIN. God' asks me to do something but in my own power I know NOT how to do that which I know to be GOOD.

Jesus (the WORD) says; They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick but go ye and learn what that means I have NOT come to call the RIGHTEOUS but SINNERS to REPENTANCE

God' knows we are all SINNERS in filthy rags and only by ABIDING IN HIM by FAITH can we walk on water when he bids us come. OUR Part is to BELIEVE HIS WORD which is the POWER of GOD that created ALL things. FAITH is the VICTORY that GOD GIVES to those who BELIEVE His WORD so they can FOLLOW HIM and walk as he walked. Without him we can do nothing but ABIDING IN HIM through FAITH in HIS WORD we WALK as HE WALKED in the SPIRIT through LOVE and LOVE is the FULFILLING of God's LAW in those that HAVE FAITH. THIS is the VICTORY that OVERCOMES the WORLD because if the son shall make you FREE you shall be FREE indeed.

May God bless you as you seek HIM you loves all....

 

[LoveGodForever]

Y
es, so Moses must decrease, and Jesus must increase. That is so true. Yes, not through Jesus and Moses, but through Jesus ONLY. Are you making Jesus nothing but a book, however inspired?? Jesus is greater the the book, Yes but we must rightly divide it. Where in the New Testament do you find the keeping of the Sabbath enjoined? Are you following a book which covers different ages. I follow Jesus Who introduced the NEW COVENANT

Now valliant making things up that are not true does not help your cause now does it because it is written; let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightbe justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

Seek the Lord while he may be found call upon him while he is near let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

We only have today. If you hear His voice harden not your heart. Tomorrow may be too late because UNBELIEVERS have NO part in God's Kingdom.

 

[Magenta]

Now valliant making things up that are not true does not help your cause now does it because it is written; let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightbe justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

What did he make up?