GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

Hizikyah · Nov 24, 2017

Here I will show you is Scripture:

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”

Grandpa said:

" on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made"

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

Grandpa said:

"from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure"

Grandpa said:

This is whaa Messiah Yahshua/Jesus is talking about:

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflicted rest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:4-8 And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful.And He said to me: It is done! I am Aleph and Tau, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and worshipers of false gods, and all liars, will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone--which is the second death."[/FONT]

lightbearer · Nov 24, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Hebrews 4:9, "Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520)to the people of YHWH."
In my prior post I posted the wrongroot word, here is the correct one:

#G4521 – sabbaton, sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week., Word Origin - of Hebrew origin shabbath, Definition - the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), 68 Occurrences

“keeping of the Sabbath” is word #4520 - sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: akeeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest

Yet all translations are not true to the original Greek language:

Hebrews 4:9

New International Version
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

New Living Translation
So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God.

English Standard Version
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

Berean Study Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Berean Literal Bible
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

New American Standard Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

King James Bible
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

why does the sabbath remain?

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

as none have yet entered the truwe rest that it represents:

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflicted rest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

Amen brother!

Grandpa · Nov 24, 2017

Its pretty easy to show the corruption in the Judaizer versions of the bible.

I'll even use their own "bible".

The Complete Jewish Version
Hebrews 4:9-10
[FONT=&quot]9 So there remains a Shabbat-keeping for God’s people.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]10 For the one who has entered God’s rest has also rested from his own works, as God did from his.

[/FONT]Shabbat-keeping has nothing to do with entering Gods rest.

Nobody has entered into Shabbat-keeping. They enter into Gods Rest. Therefore, there is a Rest that remains to the people of God. Because they have ceased from their works like God did from His. Not just on saturday.

You can't equate working at the 10 commandments with entering Gods Rest. Well, I guess certain "bibles" try it. But it is ant-gospel, Anti-Paul, and Anti-Christ.

Hizikyah · Nov 24, 2017

Grandpa said:

as shown in my post above using Scripture, not opinion.... The Sabbah is for not doing ones own will but rather doing His will, it is a physical and spiritual training tool to focus on Him and His work, to draw closer to Him, that we may walk in the manner He wants. A set apartness from worldly things, a forshadowing of His kingdom

Grandpa · Nov 24, 2017

Hizikyah said:

How are they resting from their labors if they are working at the law?

Romans 7:4-6
[FONT=&quot]4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

That is rest. Being dead to the law. No longer working at it. Bringing forth fruit unto God.

Can't be dead to the law if you're working at it.

Otherwise, the motions of sins, which are by the law, bring forth fruit unto death.[/FONT]

Originally Posted by Grandpa

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Is that a keeping of the sabbath or a cease from works?

This is whaa Messiah Yahshua/Jesus is talking about:

[FONT=&quot]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will restfrom their labors, and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]

Grandpa · Nov 24, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Yes, exactly.

A training tool. A once a week training tool.

But when you come to Christ you are free from the once a week training tool.

Because the Lord Jesus Christ gives us Rest from our work at the law. Instead of our carnal understanding and carnal work at the law we get His Rest. His Spirit in order to bring forth fruit unto God.

Hizikyah · Nov 24, 2017

Grandpa said:

you quote Romans 7, keep reading:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”'

also how is doing His will working at the Law? Is not stealing or being chritable working at the Law?

the Sabbath is for doing the right thing:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

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Grandpa said:

being dead to honor your father and mother, do not steal, hove none before Yah, do not lie, etc. is rest?

Also those in Messiah are not dead to the Laws or righteousness, they are dead to the breakinbg of the Law of Rigfhteousness:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the Belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”[/FONT]

Hizikyah · Nov 24, 2017

Grandpa said:

you dont understand His word.

we are supposed to follow Him every day, but the 7th day is for His will 100%, none can do this every day, people have to work, do dishes, laundry, clean the house, fix things, etc. these things are not evil but nobody is "doing the laundry for God" The 7th day is a 100% focus on Him and His will, it is very theraputic and centering, the times I have been strong in Yah on the 7th day it carries over into the next week, then into the next Sabbath, so on, continually growing maore and more in Him. I know the carnal mind can not fully understand this, Paul explains it here:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."[/FONT]

Grandpa · Nov 24, 2017

Hizikyah said:

You think your work at the law is doing His Will?

If it was then there was no reason for the Lord Jesus Christ.

The whole law is about doing right. But you can't do it.

You think you can. That is the carnal minds problem. It thinks it can read the words of the law and understand it and do it. But it can't.

If we are not dead to the law then we are still working at it. If we are still working at it then we are still falling short. We would be committing the same error as Judaism did/does.

Romans 9:31-32
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

You can have one or the other. Your works at the law and falling short.

Or, Faith in Christ and being dead to your works at the law.

Do you think that faith in Christ will cause you to break any of Gods Law???[/FONT]

Hizikyah · Nov 24, 2017

Grandpa said:

I don't seek justification for doing what is right, if I am justified before Yah ot os because the blood of Yahshua/Jesus. Yet the COmmands/Law are the right way to live.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:13,(KJV) "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law (death), being made a curse for us, for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangeth on a tree."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and possessing the Witness of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and (#G2087 ) any othercommandments aresummed up ( #G346 ) in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."[/FONT]

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Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

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set free from a life of sin, not from righteous instructions.

Grandpa · Nov 24, 2017

Matthew 5:21 [FONT=&quot]Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

Well, that's pretty easy. With my carnal understanding and carnal will I can fulfill this law. And we all agree that this law is good.

Matthew 5:22 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Uh-oh. This is much harder. I can't do this just by a mere act of my will.

Matthew 5:27 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Ok. I can do this with my understanding and my will.

Matthew 5:28 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Ooof. Can't do that one. I'm gonna need the Lord Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit for this.

Matthew 5:43 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

No problem. I can do that.

Matthew 5:44 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Can't do that without the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 5:48 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Just in case you thought you were super awesome and could do what no one else could there's this one.

Only God is good. You cannot be perfect like God is Perfect. Not without the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

You can try really hard and argue with the whole planet. But its not going to help you. Words in a book can't get you there. You only have one choice if you want to be perfected.

Hebrews 7:18-19
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.[/FONT]

Hizikyah · Nov 24, 2017

Grandpa said:

you set up a fake deabate, I never said nor I am not trying to be justified or perfect by my actions, I am seeking to live the way He wants,

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and possessing the Witness of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."[/FONT]

and I fully agree with all the verses you post, that is why it is written:

Isayah 42:21, "YHWH is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Scriptures 2009[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete*1. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Restored Name King James Version[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 5:17-18, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill*1. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 24:44-46, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…" [/FONT]

Grandpa said:

and that is verse 18-19 the context is the Law of the priesthood, not do not steral, love your neighbor, etc.

Hebrews 7:14-21, "7:14, "For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood,"7:15, "and this is clearer still, if another priest arises in the likeness of Malkitseḏeq,"7:16, "who has become, not according to the torah of fleshly command, but according to the power of an endless life,"7:17, "for He does witness, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq.” Psa 110:4."7:18, "For there is indeed a setting aside of the former commandd because of its weakness and unprofitableness, (former Lĕwitical command)"7:19, "for the Torahe perfected naught, but the bringing in of a better expectation, through which we draw near to Elohim.."7:20, "And it was not without an oath!"7:21, "For they indeed became priests without an oath, but He became Priest with an oath by Him who said to Him, “יהוה has sworn and shall not regret, ‘You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq.’ ” Psa 110:4."

LoveGodForever · Nov 25, 2017

Hizikyah said:

This is indeed true. It does not matter how many times one explains to some people that we are NOT SAVED by the WORKS of the LAW or anything that WE HAVE DONE and that OUR SALVATION is a GIFT of GOD by GRACE through FAITH ALONE is what we BELIEVE.

Those who DO NOT BELIEVE the Word of God will make up things because they cannot fight against the Word of God when it is SHOWING them their SINS. Men love darkness rather then LIGHT because their DEED were EVIL (sinful).

SIN and UNBELIEF in God's Word that will keep all practicing it OUT of God's Kingdom.

Seek the Lord while he may be found call upon HIM while he is near. Tomorrow may be too late.

Hizikyah · Nov 25, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 3:21, “To him who overcomes I shall give to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:11, “And they overcame him because of the Blood of the Lamb, and because of the Word of their witness, and they did not love their lives to the death."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the Belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

we overcome by the blood of the Lamb yet Scripture also states the saints/set apart one guard His Commands, not contradictiory but rather the blood empowers the Spirit of YHWH to come upon us to lead us to guard His Commands:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”[/FONT]
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TMS · Nov 25, 2017

Grandpa said:

If the law is spiritual, holy just and Good than the spirit of Christ working in us will lead us to the keeping of the law? True.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom_7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

TMS · Nov 25, 2017

The Gospel can't be explained in any way when the law is taken away. Salvation has been (Justification by faith in Gods Grace) the same from the beginning, and if the law stopped condemning us at the cross, everyone after the cross does not need a Saviour. We are freed from the condemnation of the law though Christ's free gift, (He paid the price), but that does not mean the law is gone or void. Grace does not give me the right to transgress the law and continually sin. I delight to do the Lords will because i love Him and obeying the law is Gods will.

LoveGodForever · Nov 25, 2017

TMS said:

The Gospel can't be explained in any way when the law is taken away. Salvation has been (Justification by faith in Gods Grace) the same from the beginning, and if the law stopped condemning us at the cross, everyone after the cross does not need a Saviour. We are freed from the condemnation of the law though Christ's free gift, (He paid the price), but that does not mean the law is gone or void. Grace does not give me the right to transgress the law and continually sin. I delight to do the Lords will because i love Him and obeying the law is Gods will.

Very well put together TMS; thanks for sharing this

May God bless you as you continue in His Word

LoveGodForever · Nov 25, 2017

DiscipleDave said:

Hello Dave, there is NO problem. The scriptures tell us that the Devils believe in Jesus but they will not be saved and how can you LOVE God and profess to be a Christian and live in a life of SIN? The scriptures also tell us that those that are living in SIN have neither seen HIM or KNOW him and are LYING (James 2:19; 1 John 4:8; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 13:8-10)

If you are NOT a part of God's Israel you are NOT a part of the NEW Covenant.........

Well that is NOT true at all. Seems you DO NOT understand who or what is God's Israel.

Let's have a look at what God's Word says............

Who are Israel?

"Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. The origin of the name "Israel" come from Genesis 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

Israel is only a name given by God that represents God's people and today anyone who is following Jesus is part of God's Israel according to God's Word.

What does God's Word say............................................... ......................…

Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, AND TO YOUR SEED, WHICH IS CHRIST (Galatians 3:16)

Abraham’s seed is Israel............................................ ....

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........................

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

Believe the scriptures........................................ ..............................

Galatians 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........................

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11). If we break one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking them all (James 2:8-12)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

DiscipleDave said:

CORRECT! This is why it is written............

James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

If we break God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) Just like all the rest of God's Law we stand guilty before God in SIN and SIN will keep you out of God's Kingdom. What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom. If you profess to have saving FAITH but your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Word then your faith is DEAD and you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE all as he first LOVED us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those who walk by FAITH in God's Spirit. (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 7:13-20)

There are only two classes of people spoken about in God's Word. These are those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

DiscipleDave said:

YES this is true. Are you aware though that we have a Saviour who through FAITH in HIS WORD can save the sinner from SIN and give them POWER to walk as he walked? Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. God will be your teaching as you seek Him through HIS WORD asking HIM to be your teacher through HIS Spirit (John 14:26)

God says THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY and we commit ADULTERY are we choosing to BELIEVE GOD or NOT BELIEVE GOD? We know that the law is HOLY and GOOD but I am carnal sold under SIN. God' asks me to do something but in my own power I know NOT how to do that which I know to be GOOD.

Jesus (the WORD) says; They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick but go ye and learn what that means I have NOT come to call the RIGHTEOUS but SINNERS to REPENTANCE

God' knows we are all SINNERS in filthy rags and only by ABIDING IN HIM by FAITH can we walk on water when he bids us come. OUR Part is to BELIEVE HIS WORD which is the POWER of GOD that created ALL things. FAITH is the VICTORY that GOD GIVES to those who BELIEVE His WORD so they can FOLLOW HIM and walk as he walked. Without him we can do nothing but ABIDING IN HIM through FAITH in HIS WORD we WALK as HE WALKED in the SPIRIT through LOVE and LOVE is the FULFILLING of God's LAW in those that HAVE FAITH. THIS is the VICTORY that OVERCOMES the WORLD because if the son shall make you FREE you shall be FREE indeed.

DiscipleDave said:

God's Word not mine or any mans and we should believe him who loves all. UNBELIEVERS have NO PART in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Exodus 20
8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

You do not have God's Spirit or walk in it, if you are in DISOBEDIENCE and do not OBEY God's WORD. God's Spirit will only be given you if you REPENT from your SINS through FAITH in HIM who LOVES all. IF you are still in your SINS you do not KNOW HIM who LOVES ALL and need to SEEK HIM in REPENTANCE and CONFESSION of SIN through FAITH in God's Word. The FRUIT of your FAITH is OBEDIENCE if there is NO FRUIT you are still in your SINS (Acts 2:38; 3:19; Acts 17:30-31; 1 John 3:3-10; Matthew 7:13-20; 1 John 3:6; 1 John 2:4)

DiscipleDave said:

ONLY BELIEVERS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH .............

To be "UNDER THE LAW" means to be convicted by the Law as a sinner.Let's see what God says................

Romans 3
9, What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: FOR WE HAVE BEFORE PROVED BOTH JEW AND GENTILES, THAT THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN.

Romans 3
23, FALL ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD;

Romans 3 19, NOW WE KNOW THAT WHAT THINGS SO EVER THE LAW SAYS, IT SAYS TO THEM UNDER THE LAW; THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.

Romans 2
6, He will repay each one according to his works:
7, To them who by patient continuance in WELL DOING seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
8, But unto them that are contentious, and DO NOT OBEY THE TRUTH, but OBEY UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, INDIGNATION AND WRATH,
9, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10, But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that works good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11, For there is no respect of persons with God.
12, For AS MANY AS HAVE SINNED WITHOUT THE LAW SHALL ALSO PERISH WITHOUT THE LAW: and AS MANY AS HAVE SINNED UNDER THE LAW shall be judged by the law;
13, For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Romans 8
1, There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2, FOR THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST HAS MADE ME FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH .
3, For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH: <Why?>
4, THAT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

Romans 6
12, Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13, Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law <SIN AND DEATH>, but under grace.
15, What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16, Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17, But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart <NEW heart> that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

You are under the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH IF YOU ARE LIVING A LIFE OF KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN!

If you have accepted God's gift of Grace by FAITH you are FREE from the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH meaning you are NOW FREE NOT TO SIN because you have been forgiven and now have the POWER to walk in NEWNESS of LIFE........

Those living in known UNREPENTANT SIN do NOT KNOW Him who LOVES all and need to SEEK Him in REPENTANCE and CONFESSION of SIN because they do not KNOW God and are NOT FREE from SIN.

1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

DiscipleDave said:

Well NONE of that is true at all except the first part which is we must only listen to and follow God's WORD. I BELIEVE God's Word how about you?

Grandpa · Nov 25, 2017

TMS said:

We are freed from the condemnation of the law by abiding in Christ. By Faith in Christ.

If we decide to continue to work at the law, again, instead of being dead to it and crucified with Christ, then we make ourselves transgressors. We willingly place the curse back on ourselves.

Galatians 2:16-21
[FONT=&quot]16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

So, your work at the law doesn't make you righteous. Your work at the law does not justify you before God.

Galatians 3:19-22
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[FONT=&quot]19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.[/FONT]

Snoozy · Nov 25, 2017

happy sunday its church day or as the adventists call it mark of the beast day.

GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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