The King James Bible

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I would like to share some information concerning the King James Bible if anyone is interested. This information concerns proof that the King James Bible is the word of God preserved for us in the English.
when Jesus and the 12 were going from town to town, they always had their KJV in hand!
 
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ahem.



no one can serve two masters


I stand corrected. The point of that post was to show that John 21 is the 343rd occurrence of the word bread in the Bible. I did not state that "bread" in the OT was divisible by 37 or any other number.
 

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I stand corrected. The point of that post was to show that John 21 is the 343rd occurrence of the word bread in the Bible. I did not state that "bread" in the OT was divisible by 37 or any other number.

i showed you already, what you said before and now repeat, is incorrect.

it may be the 343[SUP]rd[/SUP] instance of the word bread in the KJV, but it is not the 343[SUP]rd[/SUP] instance of that word in the Bible.

there is a difference. if you want to do math, you have to be very careful about accuracy.

what this thread is become is not what you intended it to be: it's become an illustration of how you either do not see, or do not care about that difference, and to show us what is really the important thing to you. do you really want to do math? do you really want to do gematria? ((these are not the same thing)) do you really want to look at scripture? or do you really just want to praise the KJV, without regard for how accurately or well you do any of the other things?
 
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i showed you already, what you said before and now repeat, is incorrect.

it may be the 343[SUP]rd[/SUP] instance of the word bread in the KJV, but it is not the 343[SUP]rd[/SUP] instance of that word in the Bible.

there is a difference. if you want to do math, you have to be very careful about accuracy.

what this thread is become is not what you intended it to be: it's become an illustration of how you either do not see, or do not care about that difference, and to show us what is really the important thing to you. do you really want to do math? do you really want to do gematria? ((these are not the same thing)) do you really want to look at scripture? or do you really just want to praise the KJV, without regard for how accurately or well you do any of the other things?
The thread is about the King James Bible. I created the thread so how do you know what my intentions were.
 
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i showed you already, what you said before and now repeat, is incorrect.

it may be the 343[SUP]rd[/SUP] instance of the word bread in the KJV, but it is not the 343[SUP]rd[/SUP] instance of that word in the Bible.

there is a difference. if you want to do math, you have to be very careful about accuracy.

what this thread is become is not what you intended it to be: it's become an illustration of how you either do not see, or do not care about that difference, and to show us what is really the important thing to you. do you really want to do math? do you really want to do gematria? ((these are not the same thing)) do you really want to look at scripture? or do you really just want to praise the KJV, without regard for how accurately or well you do any of the other things?

I am waiting for you to refute the evidence I put forth concerning Mark 1:1 in the King James Bible. Ask me how the odds that i stated were calculated? This is just 1 verse. After that then maybe we can calculate the odds of the pattern in Matthew 1:1 and John 1:1. I can assure you that the number will get very large very fast.

1 in over 100 million for Mark 1:1 alone.
 

posthuman

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296 = 37*8

what is that telling you?

if this kind of thing is as important as you are telling us, then maybe you will listen to it, and accept that your devotion to KJV is misplaced.

or if KJV is more important to your heart than these kinds of enumerations and divisions, then maybe you will start talking about what's written in the book instead of how many times it's written. maybe you'll start talking about Christ revealed in scripture instead of a multiplication table.

that's why i said: maybe now we get to see whether 37 is more important to you than KJV, since we already see that KJV is more important to you than the scripture in its original form.

that KJV is more important to KJV-onlyists than being faithful to the Word as it was written is well-known here already. we have hundreds of KJV threads. you guys demonstrate what's really important to you all the time. but i thought, here is a guy who is playing at gematria - maybe that will lead him to see the truth?

i'm just watching to see what you're going to do :)


 
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296 = 37*8

what is that telling you?

if this kind of thing is as important as you are telling us, then maybe you will listen to it, and accept that your devotion to KJV is misplaced.

or if KJV is more important to your heart than these kinds of enumerations and divisions, then maybe you will start talking about what's written in the book instead of how many times it's written. maybe you'll start talking about Christ revealed in scripture instead of a multiplication table.

that's why i said: maybe now we get to see whether 37 is more important to you than KJV, since we already see that KJV is more important to you than the scripture in its original form.

that KJV is more important to KJV-onlyists than being faithful to the Word as it was written is well-known here already. we have hundreds of KJV threads. you guys demonstrate what's really important to you all the time. but i thought, here is a guy who is playing at gematria - maybe that will lead him to see the truth?

i'm just watching to see what you're going to do :)


Review the thread and tell me who has quoted the most Bible verses in this thread and has printed Bible verses to support their argument. I am still waiting for your response on Mark 1:1.
 

posthuman

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I am waiting for you to refute the evidence I put forth concerning Mark 1:1 in the King James Bible.

there's nothing to refute. you haven't proven anything at all. finding an arbitrary number is related in an arbitrary way to an arbitrary collection of words isn't a proof of anything. of course there are millions of ways to arbitrarily arrange arbitrary words, and one particular instance of those has a '1/N' chance if you assume an even distribution. why would you assume an even distribution? why would you assume your superset is of size N? why are you working in a translated space instead of in the native space that the objects of interest are defined in? what function did you use to transform the superset of the native space to the target space? is it a smooth, continuous function? is it unique?

i'd love to talk about math with you. believe me, you have no idea.
but guess what? we need to do analysis, and then measure theory, and then algebra before we can do arithmetic. you have to start with the basics: if you think 2 + 2 and 4 ÷ 2 is "the basics" then you aren't ready to talk to me about math on the level that i want to talk to you about it.

we can get there though. we have to get our priorities in order is all.
 

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that's why i said: maybe now we get to see whether 37 is more important to you than KJV, since we already see that KJV is more important to you than the scripture in its original form.
We have Scripture in it's original form? God, who gave us His pure words to read, study and live by, did He not find a way to preserve them for us to read, study and live by today? Do we need the originals or has God preserved His words in another language that is 100% pure and perfect?

If yes, then where are they?

If no, then we have no final authority of matters of faith and practice. We become our own final authority on what God has said.
 

posthuman

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Hello, your rep power is 37. I do not believe in coincidences when it comes to numbers LOL,
it's no coincidence that 296 281

just like it's no coincidence that you didn't refresh the page when probably you should have ;)





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there's nothing to refute. you haven't proven anything at all. finding an arbitrary number is related in an arbitrary way to an arbitrary collection of words isn't a proof of anything. of course there are millions of ways to arbitrarily arrange arbitrary words, and one particular instance of those has a '1/N' chance if you assume an even distribution. why would you assume an even distribution? why would you assume your superset is of size N? why are you working in a translated space instead of in the native space that the objects of interest are defined in? what function did you use to transform the superset of the native space to the target space? is it a smooth, continuous function? is it unique?

i'd love to talk about math with you. believe me, you have no idea.
but guess what? we need to do analysis, and then measure theory, and then algebra before we can do arithmetic. you have to start with the basics: if you think 2 + 2 and 4 ÷ 2 is "the basics" then you aren't ready to talk to me about math on the level that i want to talk to you about it.

we can get there though. we have to get our priorities in order is all.
Your rep power is 259 (37 x 7). I don't believe in coincidences when it comes to numbers LOL.

Anyways let calculate some simple odds.

A typical Roulette wheel has 38 possible outcomes. So there is a 1/38 chance of hitting a specific number such as 36. Five times in a row.

1/38 x 1/38 x 1/38 x 1/38 x 1/38 = or 1 in 79,235,168

In mark 1:1 the word "Son" occurs in two different phrases which are both multiples of 37. Calculate the odds for that alone and then we can include the other 3 phrases that are multiples of 37 into the equation. This is not random chance. It is not an accident that Jesus = 888 (37 x 24) in the Greek gematria or 444 (37 x 12) in popular english gematria or 74 (37 x 2) in simple English gematria. That sure is a lot of 37's in 1 place.
 
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I remember in one of the first church councils Peter and Paul and company were debating the heathens using an NIV. Those heretics.

Lucky for us we had the Apostles defend the KJV. I think it happened in Pensacola, Florida or something. Probably in the 80s
 

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I remember in one of the first church councils Peter and Paul and company were debating the heathens using an NIV. Those heretics.

Lucky for us we had the Apostles defend the KJV. I think it happened in Pensacola, Florida or something. Probably in the 80s
when was it the heathens were using Koine Greek & Hebrew? good thing for apostles. them heathens. i tell ya, they never learn. "always seeing and never perceiving" i think is how it's said.
 

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The thread is about the King James Bible. I created the thread so how do you know what my intentions were.

what a person intends a thread to be and what a thread actually is and becomes are two different things :)

welcome to BDF on the internet near you
 
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when was it the heathens were using Koine Greek & Hebrew? good thing for apostles. them heathens. i tell ya, they never learn. "always seeing and never perceiving" i think is how it's said.
You can actually correct the greek and hebrew with the KJV.

I have heard with my own ears KJV-only advocates on youtube say this.