GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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I refute your rebuttal so will post again (if its good for the goose its good for the gander). The post is the rebuttal
Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)
(1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
(2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
(3) Rev 1:10.
(4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.
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Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)
(1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
(2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.
WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)
I am sick of telling you but the ten words are part of the covenant with Israel. They are not mentioned as such in the New Testament. Neither James nor Hebrews mentions the ten commandments. You assume. Jesus made crystal clear that He did not consider the 4th command important enough to mention to the rich young ruler (Matt 19.16-19).
LOL you wouldd have mentioned it FIRST.
But then Jesus was not Hebrew roots,
LOL you wouldd have mentioned it FIRST.
But then Jesus was not Hebrew roots,
You pit Paul against prophecy and the Law (changing of), I himself does not:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 18:21, “But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this Feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if Yah will. And he sailed from Ephesus.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 27:9, “Much time had been lost, and sailing had already become dangerous because by now it was after the Day of Atonement. So Paul warned them.”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Day of Atonement” is word #G3521 in Strong's Concordance – nésteia, nésteia: fasting, a fast, Original Word: νηστεία, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: nésteia, Phonetic Spelling: (nace-ti'-ah), Short Definition: fasting, the day of atonement, Definition: fasting, the day of atonement.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 20:16, “Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia, for he was in a hurry to reach Jerusalem, if possible, by the day of Pentecost.”[/FONT]
It is an end time prophecy, unles the Ancient of Days has already arrived, this horn speaking terrible things has not been destroyed yet.
Daniel 7:15-28,
"7:15, "“As for me, Dani’ĕl, my spirit was pierced within my body, and the visions of my head alarmed me.
"7:16, "“I drew near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the certainty of all this. And he spoke to me and made known to me the interpretation of the matters:
"7:17, "These great beasts, which are four, are four sovekingdoms which rise up from the earth.
"7:18, "Then the set-apart ones of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.’
"7:19, "“Then I desired for certainty concerning the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, very fearsome, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, crushed, and trampled down the rest with its feet,
"7:20, "and concerning the ten horns that were on its head, and of the other horn that came up, before which three fell – this horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke great words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows."
7:21, "“I was looking, and this horn was fighting against the set-apart ones, and was prevailing against them,"
7:22, "until the Ancient of Days came, and right-ruling was given to the set-apart ones of the Most High, and the time came and the set-apart ones took possession of the kingdom.
"7:23, "“This is what he said, ‘The fourth beast is the fourth kingdom on earth, which is different from all other kingdoms, and it devours all the earth, tramples it down and crushes it."
7:24, "And the ten horns are ten kings from this kingdom. They shall rise, and another shall rise after them, and it is different from the first ones, and it humbles three kings,"
7:25, "and it speaks words against the Most High, and it wears out the set-apart ones of the Most High, and it intends to change appointed times and law, and they are given into its hand for a time and times and half a time.
7:26, "But the Judgment shall sit, and they shall take away its rule, to cut off and to destroy, until the end."
7:27, "And the kingdom, and the rulership, and the greatness of the kingdoms under all the heavens, shall be given to the people, the set-apart ones of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all rulerships shall serve and obey Him.’
"7:28, "“This is the end of the matter. As for me, Dani’ĕl, my thoughts greatly alarmed me, and my colour changed. And I kept the matter in my heart.”
Isaiah 66:15-24, For, behold, יהוה will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16, For by fire and by his sword will יהוה plead with all flesh: and the slain of יהוה shall be many. 17, They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one in the center (H310 אַחַר 'achar - H259 אֶחָד 'echad - H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek, meaning following behind one in the center of a congregation), eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith יהוה. 18, For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. 19, And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles. 20, And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto יהוה out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith יהוה, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of יהוה. 21, And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith יהוה. 22, For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith יהוה, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23, And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith יהוה. 24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."
(H310 אַחַר 'achar - H259 אֶחָד 'echad - H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek, meaning following behind one in the center of a congregation)
H310 אַחַר 'achar (ach-ar') adv., 1. (properly) the hind part., 2. (generally, as adverb or conjunction) after (in various senses)., [from H309]
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj., 1. (properly) united, i.e. one., 2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek (taw'-vek) n-m., 1. a bisection., 2. (by implication) the center.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 18:21, “But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this Feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if Yah will. And he sailed from Ephesus.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 27:9, “Much time had been lost, and sailing had already become dangerous because by now it was after the Day of Atonement. So Paul warned them.”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Day of Atonement” is word #G3521 in Strong's Concordance – nésteia, nésteia: fasting, a fast, Original Word: νηστεία, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: nésteia, Phonetic Spelling: (nace-ti'-ah), Short Definition: fasting, the day of atonement, Definition: fasting, the day of atonement.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 20:16, “Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia, for he was in a hurry to reach Jerusalem, if possible, by the day of Pentecost.”[/FONT]
It is an end time prophecy, unles the Ancient of Days has already arrived, this horn speaking terrible things has not been destroyed yet.
Daniel 7:15-28,
"7:15, "“As for me, Dani’ĕl, my spirit was pierced within my body, and the visions of my head alarmed me.
"7:16, "“I drew near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the certainty of all this. And he spoke to me and made known to me the interpretation of the matters:
"7:17, "These great beasts, which are four, are four sovekingdoms which rise up from the earth.
"7:18, "Then the set-apart ones of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.’
"7:19, "“Then I desired for certainty concerning the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, very fearsome, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, crushed, and trampled down the rest with its feet,
"7:20, "and concerning the ten horns that were on its head, and of the other horn that came up, before which three fell – this horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke great words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows."
7:21, "“I was looking, and this horn was fighting against the set-apart ones, and was prevailing against them,"
7:22, "until the Ancient of Days came, and right-ruling was given to the set-apart ones of the Most High, and the time came and the set-apart ones took possession of the kingdom.
"7:23, "“This is what he said, ‘The fourth beast is the fourth kingdom on earth, which is different from all other kingdoms, and it devours all the earth, tramples it down and crushes it."
7:24, "And the ten horns are ten kings from this kingdom. They shall rise, and another shall rise after them, and it is different from the first ones, and it humbles three kings,"
7:25, "and it speaks words against the Most High, and it wears out the set-apart ones of the Most High, and it intends to change appointed times and law, and they are given into its hand for a time and times and half a time.
7:26, "But the Judgment shall sit, and they shall take away its rule, to cut off and to destroy, until the end."
7:27, "And the kingdom, and the rulership, and the greatness of the kingdoms under all the heavens, shall be given to the people, the set-apart ones of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all rulerships shall serve and obey Him.’
"7:28, "“This is the end of the matter. As for me, Dani’ĕl, my thoughts greatly alarmed me, and my colour changed. And I kept the matter in my heart.”
Isaiah 66:15-24, For, behold, יהוה will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16, For by fire and by his sword will יהוה plead with all flesh: and the slain of יהוה shall be many. 17, They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one in the center (H310 אַחַר 'achar - H259 אֶחָד 'echad - H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek, meaning following behind one in the center of a congregation), eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith יהוה. 18, For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. 19, And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles. 20, And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto יהוה out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith יהוה, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of יהוה. 21, And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith יהוה. 22, For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith יהוה, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23, And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith יהוה. 24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."
(H310 אַחַר 'achar - H259 אֶחָד 'echad - H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek, meaning following behind one in the center of a congregation)
H310 אַחַר 'achar (ach-ar') adv., 1. (properly) the hind part., 2. (generally, as adverb or conjunction) after (in various senses)., [from H309]
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj., 1. (properly) united, i.e. one., 2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek (taw'-vek) n-m., 1. a bisection., 2. (by implication) the center.
Originally Posted by valiant
I am sick of telling you but the ten words are part of the covenant with Israel. They are not mentioned as such in the New Testament. Neither James nor Hebrews mentions the ten commandments. You assume. Jesus made crystal clear that He did not consider the 4th command important enough to mention to the rich young ruler (Matt 19.16-19). LOL you wouldd have mentioned it FIRST.
Well that is NOT true at all. I never ignored your post or the scriptures in them. I responded to your post and pointed out that you left out the CONTEXT of your post the lead you to a false interpretation of the scriptures. Maybe you forgot it?
From post # 970
Yet you leave out the CONTEXT which is talking about breaking God's commandments.................
1 John 3
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NEITHER SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM.
7, LITTLE CHILDREN LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS.
8, HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: WHOEVER DOES NOT DO RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loves not his brother.
as also to love one another as brethren
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Seems like your the one doing all the accusing and you are in fact the one that is doing the things you are accusing others of.
So how do we know if we know God and are really following him?
1 John 2
3, And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, if WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM BUT DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.
It is very clear who God's Saints are.....................
Revelation 14
12, HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS: HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.
Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Yep God's Saints are those who through FAITH have the fruit of OBEDIENCE to LOVE as Jesus LOVES and they FOLLOW HIM in LOVE. God's LAW written on the HEART to LOVE is FULFILLED in them who BELIEVE HIS WORD and they KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD through FAITH.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
Friends seek the Lord while he may be found call upon HIM while he is near. Tomorrow may be too late.
So what your saying is NOT true. You just did NOT like the answers you received from the Word of God.
From post # 970
Yet you leave out the CONTEXT which is talking about breaking God's commandments.................
1 John 3
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NEITHER SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM.
7, LITTLE CHILDREN LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS.
8, HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: WHOEVER DOES NOT DO RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loves not his brother.
as also to love one another as brethren
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Seems like your the one doing all the accusing and you are in fact the one that is doing the things you are accusing others of.
So how do we know if we know God and are really following him?
1 John 2
3, And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, if WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM BUT DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.
It is very clear who God's Saints are.....................
Revelation 14
12, HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS: HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.
Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Yep God's Saints are those who through FAITH have the fruit of OBEDIENCE to LOVE as Jesus LOVES and they FOLLOW HIM in LOVE. God's LAW written on the HEART to LOVE is FULFILLED in them who BELIEVE HIS WORD and they KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD through FAITH.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
Friends seek the Lord while he may be found call upon HIM while he is near. Tomorrow may be too late.
So what your saying is NOT true. You just did NOT like the answers you received from the Word of God.
Hmm, you sure about that?
6 verses of Paul stating he keeps the Law/Feasts post Messiah's Sacrifice.
Daniel 7:15-28, 13 verses showing the end time kingdom, it actions in changind the Law in the mionds of people, and the Ancient of Days taking rule.
Isaiah 66:15-24 10 verses showing thoe that choose their oen path and that when the new heans and earth is made Sabbaths will still be celebrated.
absolutly no connection here.... oh wait, there is, they all show the unchanging plan and will of YHWH...
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 46:10, “declaring the end from the beginning, and from of old that which has not yet been done, saying, ‘My counsel does stand, and all My delight I do,”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malakyah 3:6, “For I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 33:11 YHWH's counsel stands forever! The thoughts of His heart stand for all generations! Praise You, YHWH!”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 46:9-10, “Remember the former things of old, for I am YHWH, and there is none else; I am YHWH, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times those things which are not yet done, saying; My a counsel will stand, and I will fulfill all My plan.”[/FONT]
6 verses of Paul stating he keeps the Law/Feasts post Messiah's Sacrifice.
Daniel 7:15-28, 13 verses showing the end time kingdom, it actions in changind the Law in the mionds of people, and the Ancient of Days taking rule.
Isaiah 66:15-24 10 verses showing thoe that choose their oen path and that when the new heans and earth is made Sabbaths will still be celebrated.
absolutly no connection here.... oh wait, there is, they all show the unchanging plan and will of YHWH...
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 46:10, “declaring the end from the beginning, and from of old that which has not yet been done, saying, ‘My counsel does stand, and all My delight I do,”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malakyah 3:6, “For I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 33:11 YHWH's counsel stands forever! The thoughts of His heart stand for all generations! Praise You, YHWH!”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 46:9-10, “Remember the former things of old, for I am YHWH, and there is none else; I am YHWH, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times those things which are not yet done, saying; My a counsel will stand, and I will fulfill all My plan.”[/FONT]
Well do we take the entire word into consideration or play a merry go round of onlt this verses applies, then pick a neew one and only this verse now, and then another only thins verses now.
Acts 15 gives Commands that 1 John does not, do we discard Acts 15? Yahshua/Jesus explains things in more completeness than 1 John, do we then discard His words and only pick what we deem the path of least resistance?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 4:4, “But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].” (Deut 8:3)[/FONT]
Acts 15 gives Commands that 1 John does not, do we discard Acts 15? Yahshua/Jesus explains things in more completeness than 1 John, do we then discard His words and only pick what we deem the path of least resistance?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 4:4, “But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].” (Deut 8:3)[/FONT]
I refute your rebuttal so will post again (if its good for the goose its good for the gander). The post is the rebuttal
Pointing all to the teachings or man over the Word of God is not a good practice to follow. Only in God's Word is truth and it is there that we must point all so they may find HIM who LOVES ALL so that we may KNOW HIM as HE KNOWS us. Let's have a look at what you have posted and compare it with scripture..............
Something of interest, and you have to have in mind that Sabbath means rest. Pay close attention to the first clause!!!
God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is in reference to Genesis 2:1-3 let's look at both sets of the scripture starting with the 4th commandment..................
Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt NOT DO ANY WORK, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11, <WHY> For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. <References back to Genesis 2:1-3>
Some points to note from the scriptures..........
v8 We are to REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY to keep it HOLY. THE SABBATH IS A DAY it is the 7th day of the creation week of Genesis 2:1-3
v10 The scripture says the SABBATH is the 7th DAY of the WEEK
v11 The reason we are commanded to REMEMBER the 7th DAY of the WEEK is because this is the day God FINISHED CREATION and rested from all HIS WORK
Hebrew meaning of SABBATH in Exodus 20:8...........
H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e.1. intermission, a period of temporary rest. 2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest. [intensive from H7673] KJV: (+ every) sabbath. Root(s): H7673
So clearly your premise is not correct in the beginning of your post that the Sabbath simply means rest. It is the 7th DAY of the week that we are to rest and cease from WORK according to the 4th commandment scripture which is supported by the Hebrew word meaning of Sabbath in Exodus 20:8.
Let's move to the origin of the Sabbath in Genesis which Exodus 20:11 is referencing.............
Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Some points to note from the scriptures...............
v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v2 God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v3 God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
v2 The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEK
Once again Genesis 2:1-3 supports Exodus 20:8-11 that the Sabbath is referring to the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK not only a REST but the REST IS LINKED to the 7TH DAY which was part of the FINISHED WORK OF THE CREATION WEEK.
Questions:
Q. When the SABBATH was made was it an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?
A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!
Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?
A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with.
This is where everything in your post falls to pieces and the scriptures quoted in your post also do not support your post. Let's have a look at them. I moved the scriptures used to support each statement next to each statement for easy viewing............
Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him (1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
Now lets look at what God says.....................
Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God:
God says that it is a specific day which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK that he has made to be a HOLY DAY. GOD DOES NOT ONE DAY IN SEVEN is for a SABBATH! This is what you get pointing people to the teachings of men that break the commandments of GOD. The other scriptures provided only support Exodus 20:8-11 above which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK.
which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, (2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
Well we know right away that Genesis 2:2-3 does not support the writers statement because it is ONLY supporting the 7th DAY of the WEEK which is NOT Sunday the 1st day of the week so that scripture cannot be used in support of a change of day. Lets look at the rest of the scriptures........
1 Corinthians 16
1, Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2, Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
The chapter is talking about laying in store on the 1st day of the week because Paul was passing through on this time to collect offering for the ministry so he could pick them up on his way through. There is nothing in this whole chapter that says that God's 4th commandment which is the 7th DAY Sabbath has now been changed to Sunday. So once again this scripture does NOT support a Sabbath day change from the 7th Day of the Week to the 1st day.......
Next scripture used............
Acts 20
7, And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
The disciples met and many different days of the week for different reasons. This chapter in context is about the disciples having a meal together because Paul was departing the next day. It say nothing about God's Sabbath being changed from the 7th Day of the week to Sunday the 1st day of the week! Once again the scripture used does NOT support the claim that God changed His 4th commandment from the 7th day of the week to the 1st day of the week.
Conclusion: there is not one scripture that is used that can support the writers claim that God's 4th commandments has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday. This is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God and Jesus says if we follow it we are NOT following God. (Matthew 15:3-9)
which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day, (3) Rev 1:10.
Matthew 12
8, For THE SON OF MAN IS LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY.
Conclusion: There is NO scripture that says SUNDAY is the "LORDS DAY" God's Word says; "THE LORDS DAY" is the SABBATH DAY!
and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.
CONCLUSION: the writer through scripture is building on SAND following the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. The post as has been shown in this post does not follow God's Word and leads others away from God's WORD. Our only safety is in seeking Jesus for His truth personally. Call upon him and seek Him through HIs Word and he will reveal His Word to you if you with honest heart seek to serve HIM who loves all.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
Seems that did not work out to well for you Phil........ You can only find the truth through God's Word. You will not find it in the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. UNBELIEVERS have NO PART in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. You only have today to seek HIM who LOVES ALL tomorrow may be to late.
If you believe I have not rightly divided God's Word show me from the scriptures how I have not. If you cannot you need to ask yourself are you rightly dividing the Word of God. Let's share the scriptures and let God's Word be the judge. I do not judge you but only share His Word in Love because freely he has given for all to share.... If we DO NOT BELIEVE HIM then we DO NOT KNOW HIM and are still in our SINS and need to SEEK HIM who knows all and LOVES ALL.
Hi Lovegodforever,
You still havent refuted the post, Here it is again.
Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)
(1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
(2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
(3) Rev 1:10.
(4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.
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Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)
(1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
(2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.
WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)
Hello valiant well that is not true at all there are many scriptures. Maybe you did not read the scriptures............
What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?
1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)
God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?
1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)
God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiyl 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies them."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*“sign” is word #226, Hebrew Dictionary,Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what YHWH says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to YHWH, speak, saying; YHWH has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what YHWH says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YHWH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to YHWH, to serve Him, and to love the Name of YHWH, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*“sign” is word #226, Hebrew Dictionary,Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what YHWH says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to YHWH, speak, saying; YHWH has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what YHWH says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YHWH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to YHWH, to serve Him, and to love the Name of YHWH, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."[/FONT]
Lets start with The Catholic Calendar
One dramatic measure of the Catholic religion’s global influence is its control over the definition
and measurement of time itself. Even today, though the presence of Catholicism doesn’t seem as
ubiquitous as it once was, we continue to live by a calendar largely created by the popes of old:
the Gregorian calendar—named after Pope Gregory xiii. That calendar revolves around fixing
the date of Easter in line with the spring equinox, ensuring that the Catholic’s pagan festivals
fall at the right time relative to Earth’s revolution around the sun.
This calendar is based on the Julian calendar, the Roman calendar established in 45 b.c. by Julius
Caesar. He chose the names and lengths of the months that we still use today (except July and
August, which were renamed after Julius and Augustus). But the Julian calendar was later altered
by the Vatican. God actually prophesied that the Catholic Church would change time itself!
Daniel 7:24-25. Here God is talking about the “little horn,” the Catholic Church.
“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the
most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until
a time and times and the dividing of time.”
What is the Catholic Church’s motive for changing the way mankind measures time?
It is an attempt to destroy—by removing from mankind’s memory—the knowledge
about God’s true holy days and the Sabbath.
the Roman Catholic Church have their own version of the Ten Com.
Is There Idolatry In The Roman Catholic Church?
they deleted the second Commandment and changed God's Sabbath to Sunday
and split the tenth Commandment into two to get back to Ten Commandments
-
The following from the Catholic Encyclopaedia Vol. 4, p. 153 also confirms the deletion
of the second Commandment and the change of the fourth. “The church, after changing
the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath of the seventh day of the week to the first made
the third commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day.”
-
In 1562 the Archbishop declared that tradition now stood above scripture.
“The authority of the Church is illustrated most clearly by the scriptures, for on one hand
she recommends them, declares them to be divine, and offers them to us to be read, and
on the other hand, the legal precepts in the scriptures taught by the Lord have ceased by
virtue of the same authority.
The Sabbath, the most glorious day in the law, has been changed into the Lord's day.
-
These and other similar matters have not ceased by virtue of Christ's teaching
(for He says that He has come to fulfill the law, not to destroy it), but they have
been changed by the authority of the Church.” — Gaspare de Posso Archbishop
of Reggio, Council of Trent.
-
Ancient Rome’s pagan holidays have been chained on this current world.
These include certain annual holidays—Christmas, New Year’s, Easter,
as well as many more, every one a pagan day—every one used to stimulate
the sale of merchandise in the commercial markets. Any earnest seeker after
truth learns that these days are all of heathen origin and pagan significance.
Ancient Rome’s annual holidays mere counterfeits of God’s true holy days,
exactly as Sunday is a counterfeit of the true Sabbath.
One dramatic measure of the Catholic religion’s global influence is its control over the definition
and measurement of time itself. Even today, though the presence of Catholicism doesn’t seem as
ubiquitous as it once was, we continue to live by a calendar largely created by the popes of old:
the Gregorian calendar—named after Pope Gregory xiii. That calendar revolves around fixing
the date of Easter in line with the spring equinox, ensuring that the Catholic’s pagan festivals
fall at the right time relative to Earth’s revolution around the sun.
This calendar is based on the Julian calendar, the Roman calendar established in 45 b.c. by Julius
Caesar. He chose the names and lengths of the months that we still use today (except July and
August, which were renamed after Julius and Augustus). But the Julian calendar was later altered
by the Vatican. God actually prophesied that the Catholic Church would change time itself!
Daniel 7:24-25. Here God is talking about the “little horn,” the Catholic Church.
“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the
most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until
a time and times and the dividing of time.”
What is the Catholic Church’s motive for changing the way mankind measures time?
It is an attempt to destroy—by removing from mankind’s memory—the knowledge
about God’s true holy days and the Sabbath.
the Roman Catholic Church have their own version of the Ten Com.
Is There Idolatry In The Roman Catholic Church?
they deleted the second Commandment and changed God's Sabbath to Sunday
and split the tenth Commandment into two to get back to Ten Commandments
-
The following from the Catholic Encyclopaedia Vol. 4, p. 153 also confirms the deletion
of the second Commandment and the change of the fourth. “The church, after changing
the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath of the seventh day of the week to the first made
the third commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day.”
-
In 1562 the Archbishop declared that tradition now stood above scripture.
“The authority of the Church is illustrated most clearly by the scriptures, for on one hand
she recommends them, declares them to be divine, and offers them to us to be read, and
on the other hand, the legal precepts in the scriptures taught by the Lord have ceased by
virtue of the same authority.
The Sabbath, the most glorious day in the law, has been changed into the Lord's day.
-
These and other similar matters have not ceased by virtue of Christ's teaching
(for He says that He has come to fulfill the law, not to destroy it), but they have
been changed by the authority of the Church.” — Gaspare de Posso Archbishop
of Reggio, Council of Trent.
-
Ancient Rome’s pagan holidays have been chained on this current world.
These include certain annual holidays—Christmas, New Year’s, Easter,
as well as many more, every one a pagan day—every one used to stimulate
the sale of merchandise in the commercial markets. Any earnest seeker after
truth learns that these days are all of heathen origin and pagan significance.
Ancient Rome’s annual holidays mere counterfeits of God’s true holy days,
exactly as Sunday is a counterfeit of the true Sabbath.
For you it is impossible Phil because you just ignore the posts I send you and all the scriptures (SEE POST # 1033 as the most recent). It is ok this is between you and God not me and you. God's Word will be our judge in the last days.
If you believe I have not clearly refuted your post that you continue to spam without telling me why my post does not refute your post then it is clear to me already that your post has indeed been refuted because you are not able to address my post with scripture or give a reason why you refuse my post.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
How sad it is but it seems you have chosen not to BELIEVE and the scripture is fulfilled in you this day; spoken of by Jesus and Paul.......
Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Time is short Phil God is knocking will you not open the door?
If you believe I have not clearly refuted your post that you continue to spam without telling me why my post does not refute your post then it is clear to me already that your post has indeed been refuted because you are not able to address my post with scripture or give a reason why you refuse my post.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
How sad it is but it seems you have chosen not to BELIEVE and the scripture is fulfilled in you this day; spoken of by Jesus and Paul.......
Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Time is short Phil God is knocking will you not open the door?
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Hi Lovegodforever,
You still have not adequately refuted the post can you try again? There is plenty of Scripture for you and explanations.
Section 7.) As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him(1) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(2) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(3) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(4)
(1) Ex 20:8,10,11; Isa 56:2,4,6,7.
(2) Ge 2:2,3; 1Co 16:1,2; Ac 20:7.
(3) Rev 1:10.
(4) Ex 20:8,10; Mt 5:17,18.
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Section 8.) This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations;(1) but also are taken up, the whole time, in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(2)
(1) Ex 20:8; Ex 16:23,25,26,29,30; Ex 31:15; Ne 13:15-19,21,22.
(2) Isa 58:13; Mt 12:1-13.
WCF Ch 21 sec. 7 & 8 (A Presbyterian view)