GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[TMS]

No we establish the Law as the accuser of men before God.

So the Law tells us if we are keeping or not keeping the Sabbath holy.

 

[Studyman]

If it was unknown, why did God say Remember the Sabbath? The Jews forgot it in captivity.

Like you said it isn't there in the early chapters but that could be for 2 reasons. It was just a given that every child of God kept it or no one kept it. We need to look at the reason why it was given at creation? Exo_20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. When did He bless and hallow it?
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.



Thank God for Jesus that stands as our advocate. He perfectly kept the law Holy, therefore by faith in His life death and resurrection we to can stand Just before God, guiltless but the grace does not make us free to transgress the law.



To say the Sabbath is ceremonial or a different law to the others 9 is twisting what God made plain when He wrote the Sabbath commandment on Stone and placed it inside the arc, if it was a law that was to be done away with, it would have been written with the other laws written by Moses and place on the side of the arc.

Very Good TMS,

When God, through Jeremiah, told us of His New Covenant, He said He would write His Laws on our heart. No mention of writing different instructions. The is symbolic of Moses and God, before He became a man, in:

Ex. 34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the firstOld Covenant) and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. (New Covenant)

The New covenant had to do with

#1. how God's Laws created for mankind was administered (No more Levite necessary to learn His Instructions) He writes His Commandments on our heart.

#2. How our transgression of these Laws are cleansed, (No more Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins.) HE WILL Himself forgive us our sins.

The preaching that God/Jesus redefines sin in the New Covenant is a false preaching.

Good Post TMS

 

[TMS]

When the sins of the world are carried by Christ so that we can be forgiven they will finally be place on Satan. Yes i agree. This does not take away from the fact that Jesus needed to die for my sins and stand before the father as my sin bearer.
The 2 goats in the day of atonement represent Christ and Satan. This could turn into a long....... debate and i can find many verses but i wont take the time. Call me lazy, and i think you already have your mind made up.

Plus this is about the Sabbath not the Scape Goat.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

The Sabbath is not mentioned in Genesis 1&2. It was unknown until Exodus 16.



You can't disprove what isn't there.

The seventh day was important because it signalled an end to creation. But there was no injunction to 'observe the seventh day', and no one is recorded as doing so. The Sabbath was unknown until the time of Moses.



Shew me whereabouts in the New Testament we are told to observe the Sabbath?

If it was unknown, why did God say Remember the Sabbath?

Because when it came round each week they were not to forget it. It proved it was a new concept.

The Jews forgot it in captivity.

They kept the Sabbath all the while they were in exile.

Like you said it isn't there in the early chapters

at least you admit it.

but that could be for 2 reasons. It was just a given that every child of God kept it or no one kept it.

If it was a given why bring it into the old covenant? Thus it was clearly true according to you that no one kept it.

In fact it was kept by Israel before the giving of the Law. It was first given in Exodus 16. But note that the leaders of Israel had not previously known about it (Ex 16.22)

We need to look at the reason why it was given at creation? Exo_20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. When did He bless and hallow it?

He blessed and hallowed it in Exod 16.22 as 'a holy Sabbath to the Lord'.

Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

because the Sabbath was a time when men met to hear the Law of God. He always took every opportunity,

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

well? that was how Paul was convicted not how he was saved

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

THAT is the royal law. Not the ten commandments

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James was writing to Jews who WERE under the ten commandments.

Thank God for Jesus that stands as our advocate. He perfectly kept the law Holy, therefore by faith in His life death and resurrection we to can stand Just before God, guiltless but the grace does not make us free to transgress the law.

Grace makes us free to ignore the Law because we are 'married to another' (Rom 7.1-6).

 

[valiant]

TMS says To say the Sabbath is ceremonial or a different law to the others 9 is twisting what God made plain when He wrote the Sabbath commandment on Stone and placed it inside the arc, if it was a law that was to be done away with, it would have been written with the other laws written by Moses and place on the side of the arc.

Because it was for ISRAEL (2 Cor 3.7). We enjoy the ministry of the Spirit (2 Cor 3.8).

 

[vic1980]

Acts 17;2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

It was Paul custom to go preach to the Jews & Gentiles on the sabbath , see acts 13:42. No were in scripture , there is written that paul change his custom.

Unto the corinthians issue to address


1 Corinthians 16

The Collection for the Saints

1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first dayof the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. 4 And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.

In 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul ask the congregation by letter to put aside money to send gifts " food cloths " to the brethren in Jerusalem , he never stated i have change my custom , from sabbath to preach , for now on the first day of the week.This was upon charity , not days of worship.

It time to study the Word of God , for those that might accuse me of being sda or hebrew roots. i am not aligned to any of these movements. Due that keeping the sabbath was establish long before any of these sect arise .

I would like anyone to prove that paul change his custom , while being a witness for God unto rome.

answer : you will not find it in scripture period.

Shalom

 

[valiant]

So the Law tells us if we are keeping or not keeping the Sabbath holy.

the Law is not for the believer but for the ungodly and sinners (1 tim 1.8-9)

 

[valiant]

Acts 17;2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

It was Paul custom to go preach to the Jews & Gentiles on the sabbath , see acts 13:42.

Because it was a place where they met. To the Jew he became as a Jew, to the Greek he became as a Greek,to the Gentile he became as a Gentile.

Nowhere in scripture , there is written that paul change his custom.

Acrs 13.46? LOL

 

[Grandpa]

Hebrews 7:11-12
[FONT=&quot]11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

What was the change?

Hebrews 7:15-16
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[FONT=&quot]15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.


There it is. Did you catch it? The law changed from a carnal commandment to the power of an endless life.

How? Not by works of the law, obviously. By faith in Christ.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

There it is expounded on and explained... Its not a carnal commandment that we are under anymore. Because the law made nothing perfect. But the Lord Jesus Christ, the power of an endless life, did.

Paul explains this same concept over and over in several different epistles.

Romans 3:19-22
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[FONT=&quot]19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Why is Righteousness by Faith in Christ and not by the law? Because the Priesthood being changed there is by necessity a change in the law. It has changed from a carnal commandment to the power of an endless life, through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:23-25
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[FONT=&quot]23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

We were under a carnal commandment until we came to our High Priest, the Lord Jesus Christ. After we come to Christ we are no longer under that carnal commandment. We are under the grace of our High Priest.

If you can't understand that Christians aren't under the law then you can't understand how our faith in Christ establishes the law. Because it isn't a carnal command that is established. But the Power of an endless life. Real Righteousness that is given as a gift and not pretend righteousness that comes from your carnal understanding of the law.

Romans 10:3-4
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[FONT=&quot]3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.[/FONT]

 

[vic1980]

Acrs 13.46? LOL

Sir the council at Antioch in Pisidia , paul was addressing in acts 13:46

Acts 13:46 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down

Acts 17 Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: is not the same location sir as Acts 13:46 , go re-read the letter , highlight the places that are being address , before proceeding to address me upon this topic.

Acts 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews

Paul spoke not only to the Jews but also the greeks on the sabbath. Some were saved , while others did not believe. Now addressing Paul he preach the good news to others sure he did, just as God has instructed us all to preach. If you meet someone on the street , will we not share with them The Good News on third day of the week or fourth day of the week ???

But what is being discussed upon , is God sabbath paul custom in his walk

But Once again

I would like anyone to prove that paul change his custom , while being a witness for God unto rome.

answer : you will not find it in scripture period.

Shalom

 

[LoveGodForever]

Sir the council at Antioch in Pisidia , paul was addressing in acts 13:46

Acts 13:46 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down

Acts 17 Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: is not the same location sir as Acts 13:46 , go re-read the letter , highlight the places that are being address , before proceeding to address me upon this topic.

Acts 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews

Paul spoke not only to the Jews but also the greeks on the sabbath. Some were saved , while others did not believe. Now addressing Paul he preach the good news to others sure he did, just as God has instructed us all to preach. If you meet someone on the street , will we not share with them The Good News on third day of the week or fourth day of the week ???

But what is being discussed upon , is God sabbath paul custom in his walk

But Once again

I would like anyone to prove that paul change his custom , while being a witness for God unto rome.

answer : you will not find it in scripture period.

Shalom

Thanks for sharing Vic, nice post. Both Jesus, the disciples and God's people all through time have all kept God's 4th commandment like the other nine through faith that works by LOVE because of their LOVE to God. Jesus is our example and we should follow him...

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Thanks for sharing and may God bless you as you continue to seek Him through His Word....

 

[TMS]

the Law is not for the believer but for the ungodly and sinners (1 tim 1.8-9)

Are you without sin (Godly sinless)? If the Law points out what sin is, and you claim it is not for you, you will find yourself perfect and without any condemnation. But i find myself needing Christ more and more, i find myself needing a savior from my sin because i have a law that points out my sin.

1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Ti 1:9,10 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient,.....and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

The law is good at showing us what is contrary to sound doctrine and what sin is. Do you need that or are you above the law.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.



The law points me to Christ and Christ points me to the law.

 

[mailmandan]

How sad you believe you do not judge people. Just goes to show how deceived you are.

So it's not just me.

 

[mailmandan]

You've been answered many times, and shown how you twist scripture to fit your Hebrew roots law keeping:

Luke 6:5English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)

5 And he said to them, “The Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”



Sabbath keepers argue that it is the example of Jesus that gives us the reason for keeping the Sabbath.

"He kept the Sabbath, so I must keep the Sabbath. Jesus is my example," they say. Well this kind of reasoning is flawed because it only chooses Jesus' Sabbath keeping and rejects the rest of His Jewish lifestyle. Jesus also kept Kosher laws. He kept the Passover, Sukkot, Hanukkah, and worshipped in the temple. Are we to follow everything He did?

Galatians 4:4-5 says that Jesus lived under the Law to redeem us from the Law.
"But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons." (NIV)


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JESUS WAS ALSO ACCUSED OF SABBATH BREAKING.

Why, if He wanted to be our "example" in Sabbath keeping didn't He make it clear that He was not breaking the Sabbath? Instead He clearly admits to it. He also admits that His disciples were breaking the Sabbath and He defends them. Read Matthew 12:1- 14 carefully. Jesus is clearly saying that His disciples are like the priests who may work in the temple every Sabbath and be innocent of breaking the Sabbath. When Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath" He is declaring that He is above the Sabbath. He may do what He wishes on the Sabbath and therefore His disciples may do whatever they wish as well.

Apparently Jesus did break the Sabbath: "Therefore some of the Pharisees were saying, "This man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath."..." John 9:15.If Jesus did not want us to understand that He was breaking the Sabbath why did He not speak against these accusations. It's because Jesus had the right and the authority to break the Sabbath because He is Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath does not bind Him. Think about this, if it does not bind Him, are we not "in Christ"? Why would it be any more binding upon us. (Again Read Matthew 12:1-14 carefully).

One of the issues that needs to be honestly faced is the fact that Jesus never commanded anyone to keep the Sabbath and none of His apostles ever commanded anyone to keep it either. Not once in the New Testament are we told to keep the Sabbath. Those commands to the Church are conspicuously absent from the teachings of the New Testament.

EVERY MENTION OF THE SABBATH IN THE BOOK OF ACTS without a single exception is in connection with Jewish worship on that day and not Christian celebration. Paul's evangelistic strategy was to go to the Jews first in a community and share the Gospel with them. Sabbath is the day when he knew he would find the most Jews gathering for worship. He knew he would have his best opportunity of sharing the good news of the Messiah to the Jews on Sabbath. It was not because he was meeting with a group of believing Christians. He was meeting with non-Christian Jews.

IS THE TEN COMMANDMENT LAW ETERNAL?

No, the Law is not eternal. Galatians 3:19 gives the purpose of the Law. It says: "What, then, was the purpose of he law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come."
The law was given 430 years after Abraham. "What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise." Galatians 3:17-18.

The Law had a definite beginning time (430 years after Abraham) and a definite ending time, --When the promised Seed (Christ, vs. 16) came.

Other Scriptures such as Romans 5:12-14 indicate that there can be sin in the world, even BEFORE the Law was given. "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned -- for until the Law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of Adam's offense, who is a type of Him who was to come."


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CREATION & THE SABBATH: The Scriptures are very clear that the Sabbath of the fourth commandment was not given before Moses:

The Ten Commandments was not made with the fathers. Deuteronomy 5:2-3 says

"The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today."
Nehemiah 9:13-14 says: "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. You made known to them your holy sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses." (NIV).


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WAS THE SABBATH GIVEN FOR ALL MANKIND TO KEEP PERPETUALLY?

No, - Though Genesis 2:1-3 says that after the Lord had ended all His work He rested on the seventh day and blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, there is not a word about it being given to Adam and Eve as a commandment. You don't hear another word about the Sabbath in the entire book of Genesis. All fifty chapters are silent about the Sabbath.
You do not hear that the righteous Patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob kept the Sabbath. There is a conspicuous silence for 2,500 years after the Fall of man. It is not until after the redemption of God's people Israel out of Egypt when they are safely on the other side of the Red Sea that you read in the Book of Exodus that the Sabbath is mentioned again. (Exodus 16:22-30). Abraham was given commandments and ordinances, but the Sabbath is never mentioned as one of them.

Then the Sabbath is given to Israel and Israel alone. The Sabbath is a covenant sign between God and the nation of Israel. "And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 'Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death. So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he ceased from labor, and was refreshed." Exodus 31:12-17


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Notice that the reason why the Lord links the Sabbath to creation is that He is identifying Himself to Israel as the true and living Creator God. He is separate and apart from all of the other gods of Egypt and of the Gentile world. "Keep the Sabbath, worship Me, for I AM the true, living Creator of the Universe."
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Notice also that this Sabbath "SIGN" (Exodus 31:13) is between God and "the sons of Israel" (Exodus 12:15,17) and not for all of mankind.


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Nehemiah 9:13-14 indicates that the Sabbath was not given to be kept by anyone until it was given to Israel in the wilderness. "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. You made known to them your holy sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses." (NIV).

DOESN'T THE BIBLE SAY THAT THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN?

"And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." Mark 2:27. Sabbatarians often use this verse to say that the Sabbath was made for all mankind, but the text doesn't say that. It doesn't say, "The Sabbath was made for "mankind", it says, "the Sabbath was made for man". When the Scripture is meant to be inclusive of all mankind it is clear. See Matthew 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2:17; I Timothy 2:4; Titus 2:11. These verses clearly indicate that when God offers something to all mankind He clearly offers it to all.
The Sabbath was not offered to all the nations. It was given only to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. It is clearly stated that God did not give the Sabbath or other commandments to the fathers before (see verses 2-3).

One writer has brought up the point that this text shows that the Sabbath was not a part of the "moral" Law to be kept by all mankind from the beginning, for it had to be made. It was made in Exodus 16-20. Notice also that this text does not say it was made for man from the "beginning," as was marriage (cf Matthew 19:4ff). WHICH OTHER OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS HAD TO BE MADE? --NOT ONE! (Gerald N. Wright, Sabbatarian Concordance & Commentary, Star Bible & Tract Corp., 1977, pp. 78-79).

Wright commenting on this passage says: "The other nine [commandments] were (and are) inherently right from the beginning, reflecting God's righteous nature and being naturally a part of man's moral character, who was made in the image of God (cf Romans 2:14). Which command other than the sabbath is lower than man--subject to being set aside under certain circumstances? When, or under what circumstances, can man lawfully commit adultery? Obviously, never! Man's life is not above God's holy and moral laws. Yet even a sheep's life is more important than rigid enforcement of the sabbath (Matthew 12:10-12)!

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NO "BURGER KING" SABBATHS - You can't "Have It Your Way" with the Sabbath. God specifies how it was to be kept.

-It was to be kept from sunset to sunset (Lev. 23:32)
-No burden was to be carried (Jer. 17:21)
-No fire kindled (Ex. 35:3)
-No Cooking done (Ex. 16:23)
-The penalty for doing any of these things during the Sabbath was DEATH (Numbers 15).

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NO "INSPIRED" WRITER MAKES ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE "MORAL" LAW & THE "CEREMONIAL" LAWS.

"(2) The Sabbath in its nature, is itself a ceremonial law: the moral law is all law which appeals to the conscience, and needs no written revelation; but as to which day to observe, or whether to observe any day at all, conscience is silent. If we are to distinguish between the moral and the ceremonial law, on the ground that one is passed, and the other still in force, then--as the Sabbath is purely ceremonial law--it is passed. But the most important point still remains. (3) I, as a Christian, obey all law that is moral in the Decalogue, not because it is in the Law, but because it is in the Gospel. Worship of God only is enjoined fifty times in the New Testament; idolatry is forbidden twelve times; profanity four times; honor of father and mother is commanded six times; adultery is forbidden twelve; theft six; false witness four; and covetousness, nine times. "The Ten Commandments," as Luther says, "do not apply to us Gentiles and Christians, but only to the Jews." So the Sabbath--except in a single passage where, classing it with the entire law, he declares it has been totally abolished. So the early Church held."

--D. M. Panton, cited in Heresies Exposed, Compiled by Irvine, pp. 164-165.

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SOME SABBATARIANS CLAIM THAT THE SABBATH IS THE SEAL OF GOD

The Seal of God is NOT the Sabbath! The Bible tells us clearly that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer the moment he is saved.
Ephesians 1:13 says, "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory."
Ephesians 4:30 warns, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 states "Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge."


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IS A SABBATH KEEPING CHURCH THE "REMNANT" OR COMMANDMENT KEEPING CHURCH THAT IS SPOKEN OF IN REVELATION 12:17?

Rev. 12:17 says, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus."
In the New Covenant, what are the "Commandments" of God? Does this mean Ten Commandments? NO! The Greek word used for the Ten Commandments is "NOMOS". That word is not used here. The word used here is "ENTELE" and means "teachings".
John clarifies this and actually tells us what the "commandments" are that we are to keep:

I John 5:1-3 says, "Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God; and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome."


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These verses are often used to teach people that they must keep the Ten Commandments, especially the Sabbath. However, the Apostle John defines the "commandments" for us. In the prior chapter he defines them explicitly. "Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in is sight. And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. And the one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him..."
I John 3:21-24a.

The Sabbath & Sunday​

Excellent post and thank you for the link to the website!
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[LoveGodForever]

Excellent post and thank you for the link to the website!
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What an amazing thing how people choose the teachings of man over the Word of God just to hold on to their traditions that break the commandments of God. It is UNBELIEF that keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom. Only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God know Him who loves all. Those that do NOT Believe His Word are still in their SINS.

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? Only God's Word is true and we should follow it....

Seek the Lord while he may be found call upon Him while he is near. Their is no salvation in the word of website that breaks the commandments of God....tick tock tick tock... tomorrow may be too late.

 

[prove-all]

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden,
and I will give you rest.

Rest from what? Rest from taking animals to the levites? NO, that is silly twisting
of scripture making the Lord Jesus and Paul both lie and the scripture false.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Where and when does the bible say we recieve this rest?
The second coming is in actuality a continuation of the first.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias.
And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me
to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,


Luk 4:19 [To preach] the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down.
And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

He stoped reading just there, and closed the book, and just sat down?

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me
[to preach good tidings] unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,

And here is where He stopped reading in mid sentence.
Now the passage He quoted continues...

and [the day of vengeance] of our God; [to comfort all that mourn];

Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty
for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD,
that he might be glorified.

Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations,
and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall
be your plowmen and your vinedressers.

Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers
of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their
portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.
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He came the first time to complete Isa 61:1-2 but not all of verse 2. When He returns,
[after] the day of vengeance, He will complete verse 2 and forward through verse 7.

“Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees. Say to them that are
of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance,
even God with a recompence; he will come and save you. Then the eyes of the blind
shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. Then shall the lame man
leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing…” (Isaiah 35:3-6).
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He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country[Heaven]
to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

 

[Hizikyah]

You've been answered many times, and shown how you twist scripture to fit your Hebrew roots law keeping:

Luke 6:5English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)
5 And he said to them, “The Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

Sabbath keepers argue that it is the example of Jesus that gives us the reason for keeping the Sabbath.
"He kept the Sabbath, so I must keep the Sabbath. Jesus is my example," they say. Well this kind of reasoning is flawed because it only chooses Jesus' Sabbath keeping and rejects the rest of His Jewish lifestyle. Jesus also kept Kosher laws. He kept the Passover, Sukkot, Hanukkah, and worshipped in the temple. Are we to follow everything He did?

Galatians 4:4-5 says that Jesus lived under the Law to redeem us from the Law.
"But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons." (NIV)

Yahshua is our example, to try to say we can’t do as Him or should not is dishonest and a falsehood. Also Paul who wrote Galatians also wrote Romans:

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!”

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Awmiĕn.”

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Romans 2:15, "Who show the work of the Torah (Instructions/Law) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing (condemming sin) or even excusing (justifying sin)."


Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”


Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"


*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?


1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Romans 8:2, “Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.”


Romans 6:15-23, “What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under unmerited mercy? Let it not be! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness? But thanks to יהוה that you were servants of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of teaching to which you were entrusted. And having been set free from sin, you became servants of righteousness. I speak as a man, because of the weakness of your flesh. For even as you did present your members as servants of uncleanness, and of lawlessness resulting in lawlessness, so now present your members as servants of righteousness resulting in set-apartness. For when you were servants of sin, you were free from righteousness. What fruit, therefore, were you having then, over which you are now ashamed? For the end thereof is death. But now, having been set free from sin, and having become servants of יהוה, you have your fruit resulting in set-apartness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the favorable gift of Elohim is everlasting life in Messiah יהושע our Master.”


Romans 7 -
7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.


1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."

 

[Hizikyah]

JESUS WAS ALSO ACCUSED OF SABBATH BREAKING.

Why, if He wanted to be our "example" in Sabbath keeping didn't He make it clear that He was not breaking the Sabbath? Instead He clearly admits to it. He also admits that His disciples were breaking the Sabbath and He defends them. Read Matthew 12:1- 14 carefully.Jesus is clearly saying that His disciples are like the priests who may work in the temple every Sabbath and be innocent of breaking the Sabbath. When Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath" He is declaring that He is above the Sabbath. He may do what He wishes on the Sabbath and therefore His disciples may do whatever they wish as well.

Apparently Jesus didbreak the Sabbath:"Therefore some of the Pharisees were saying, "This man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath."..." John 9:15.If Jesus did not want us to understand that He was breaking the Sabbath why did He not speak against these accusations. It's because Jesus had the right and the authority to break the Sabbath because He is Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath does not bind Him. Think about this, if it does not bind Him, are we not "in Christ"? Why would it be any more binding upon us. (Again Read Matthew 12:1-14 carefully).

One of the issues that needs to be honestly faced is the fact that Jesus never commanded anyone to keep the Sabbath and none of His apostles ever commanded anyone to keep it either. Not once in the New Testament are we told to keep the Sabbath. Those commands to the Church are conspicuously absent from the teachings of the New Testament.

He was accused by Pharisees who made their own law:

Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrinethe commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."

and just because the pharisees accused Him does not mean He did:

Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

To use the pharisees as a witness against Yahshua is crazy.

Apparently Jesus

didbreak the Sabbath:"Therefore some of the Pharisees were saying, "This man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath."..." John 9:15.If Jesus did not want us to understand that He was breaking the Sabbath why did He not speak against these accusations. It's because Jesus had the right and the authority to break the Sabbath because He is Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath does not bind Him. Think about this, if it does not bind Him, are we not "in Christ"? Why would it be any more binding upon us. (Again Read Matthew 12:1-14 carefully)..

This is comical and dishonest. Yahshua was the spotless Lamb, without sin, if He sinned He could not be the spotless Lamb, He Himself said He did not, the Pharisees said He did, who are you going to believe? SO would you take the side of the pharisees? This is falsehood, plain and simple. Again:

Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

and to say that "Hes God so hae can break it anss it's not sin" that goes against everything we are taught about the Father and the MEssiah, so foolish.

 

[Snoozy]

u guys keep acting like we are saying u must worship God on sunday and go to church. see we're not into false doctrines like u where we think a weekday is a matter of salvation.
u wanna worship on sabbath? great, awesome.

we only have a problem when u say not keeping the sabbath = no salvation.

thats what u call a false gospel. if u preach that ur only leading people to works salvation to another gospel which is not another. its the accursed gospel.

most likely the guys who came up with that ridicilous sunday mark of the beast thing was led by the devil to deceive christians.

 

[Hizikyah]

EVERY MENTION OF THE SABBATH IN THE BOOK OF ACTS without a single exception is in connection with Jewish worship on that day and not Christian celebration. Paul's evangelistic strategy was to go to the Jews first in a community and share the Gospel with them. Sabbath is the day when he knew he would find the most Jews gathering for worship. He knew he would have his best opportunity of sharing the good news of the Messiah to the Jews on Sabbath. It was not because he was meeting with a group of believing Christians. He was meeting with non-Christian Jews.

Why Did Paul keep the Sabbath and Feast days?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 18:21, “But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Feast[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if Yah will. And he sailed from Ephesus.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 27:9, “Much time had been lost, and sailing had already become dangerous because by now it was after the [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Day of Atonement[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. So Paul warned them.”[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Day of Atonement[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]” is word #G3521 in Strong's Concordance – nésteia, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nésteia: fasting, a fast[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Original Word: νηστεία, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: nésteia, Phonetic Spelling: (nace-ti'-ah), Short Definition: fasting, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the day of atonement[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Definition: fasting, the day of atonement.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 20:16, “Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia, for he was in a hurry to reach Jerusalem, if possible, by the [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]day of Pentecost[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]He had already accepted Messiah by his own account, yet he still kept them, there is only one way, there is not 2 ways one for Jews and one for gentiles:[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] not everyone who is a descendant of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yisra’yl[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] who belongs to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yisra’yl[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:6-9, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]O seed of Abraham[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]remembered His covenant forever[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]everlasting covenant[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:27-29, “For [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]as many of you as were immersed into [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]if you are of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”

So all the disciples were jsut trying to please the Jews?

I dont think so:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 5:29, "And Kĕpha and the other emissaries answering, said, “We have to obey YHWH rather than men.” [/FONT]