GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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WAS THE SABBATH GIVEN FOR ALL MANKIND TO KEEP PERPETUALLY?

No, - Though Genesis 2:1-3 says that after the Lord had ended all His work He rested on the seventh day and blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, there is not a word about it being given to Adam and Eve as a commandment.

Well this is not true at all. The Sabbath WAS given for ALL mankind to keep let’s look at the scriptures from Genesis, Exodus and what Jesus say in the New Testament…..

Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Some points to note from the scriptures...............

v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v2 God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v3 God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
v2 The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEK

Now who it God making the 7th day a Holy day for? Is he making that day a Holy day for himself? Of course NOT God is already Holy. He has made the day for MANKIND as a HOLY DAY.

Let’s see what Jesus says…………

Mark 2
27, And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath

The Sabbath was made for WHO? The Sabbath was made for MAN

STRONGS Greek
MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n.
1. (literally) man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).
2. (concretely, in Hebrew) a clay being (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female).
3. (generically, in English) a human being.
4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone).
[from G435 and ops “the countenance” (from G3700)]
KJV: certain, man
Root(s): G435, G3700

So the Sabbath was made for Human beings; clay beings (we are made out of the dust); male and female

So God made the 7th day of the week a HOLY day and blessed it for MAN this now ties in very nicely with Exodus……….

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why? Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God:

God says that it is a specific day which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK that he has made to be a HOLY DAY. Jesus says it was made Holy in the creation week for mankind. All scriptures connect and are in harmony. Genesis where God made the Day a HOLY DAY; God’s 4th commandment to His people that says to REMEMBER the Sabbath day to KEEP it a HOLY DAY and Jesus stating that the Sabbath was made for MANKIND (Human beings; male and female).

Now if God made the Sabbath for mankind then obviously Adam and Eve had the Sabbath the GREEK Word for MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n. is a clay being (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). There is only two people made out of clay (dust) and that is Adam and Eve.

So the answer is YES the Sabbath was given to ALL mankind

You don't hear another word about the Sabbath in the entire book of Genesis. All fifty chapters are silent about the Sabbath. You do not hear that the righteous Patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob kept the Sabbath. There is a conspicuous silence for 2,500 years after the Fall of man. It is not until after the redemption of God's people Israel out of Egypt when they are safely on the other side of the Red Sea that you read in the Book of Exodus that the Sabbath is mentioned again. (Exodus 16:22-30). Abraham was given commandments and ordinances, but the Sabbath is never mentioned as one of them.

The writer of the website then goes on to argue that the word Sabbath is not mentioned in Genesis.
Is this the case? Well the word “Sabbath” is not used this is correct but let’s have a look at the Hebrew words for “REST” used in Genesis for when the Sabbath was made and the Hebrew word for Sabbath which is used in God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment…..

Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


STRONGS Hebrew
RESTEDH7673שָׁבַתshabath (shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.
{used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific)}[a primitive root]KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep Sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

Let’s look now at the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment word of Sabbath…………

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why? Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God:


Shabbath is the same ROOT word used in the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment (Exodus 20:8-11). Now let’s look at the Hebrew word for Sabbath used in the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment…
…

SABBATH H7676שַׁבָּתshabbath (shab-bawth') n-e. 1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest.[intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) Sabbath. Root(s): H7673

The meaning of the word Sabbath is from one shabbath rest (H7673 root wood) to another shabbath rest; it is the intermission from one rest to the next rest and every Sabbath meaning many rests. Now of course this is already known because God made the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] DAY a HOLY DAY meaning that every 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day of the week was HOLY! Why would you need to repeat it when it was ALREADY GIVEN and made known to be a HOLY DAY?

The writer of the website then goes on and *argues that the word Sabbath is not mentioned in the Genesis ** concludes that the Sabbath was not known or kept before Sinai DESPITE there being NO scripture that leads to the conclusion the Sabbath was being kept or was NOT being kept. This is a BIG CALL WITH NO SCRIPTURE SUPPORT.

So there you go the sixth section of your post from the word of website comes tumbling down because it is not built on the rock but on sifting sand and GREAT is the fall of it…….

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

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Then the Sabbath is given to Israel and Israel alone. The Sabbath is a covenant sign between God and the nation of Israel. "And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 'Therefore you are to observe the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall surely be put to death. So the sons of Israel shall observe the Sabbath, to celebrate the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he ceased from labour, and was refreshed."Exodus 31:12-17

Notice that the reason why the Lord links the Sabbath to creation is that He is identifying Himself to Israel as the true and living Creator God. He is separate and apart from all of the other gods of Egypt and of the Gentile world. "Keep the Sabbath, worship Me, for I AM the true, living Creator of the Universe."

Notice also that this Sabbath "SIGN" (Exodus 31:13) is between God and "the sons of Israel" (Exodus 12:15,17) and not for all of mankind.

Nehemiah 9:13-14 indicates that the Sabbath was not given to be kept by anyone until it was given to Israel in the wilderness. "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses." (NIV).

The writer of the website now makes the claim that the Sabbath was only given to Israel and no one else. This is a strange claim as the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment is one of the Ten Commandments and if this argument is true then none need worry about obeying any of the other commandments right? Wrong! Let’s see who God’s Israel is according to God’s Word………..

Who are Israel?

"Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. The origin of the name "Israel" come from Genesis 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

Israel is only a name given by God that represents God's people and today anyone who is following Jesus is part of God's Israel according to God's Word.

What does God's Word say.....................................…

Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, AND TO YOUR SEED, WHICH IS CHRIST (Galatians 3:16)

Abraham’s seed is Israel............................................

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........................

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

Believe the scriptures..................................................................

Galatians 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........................

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

So there you go the seventh section of your post from the word of website comes tumbling down because it is not built on the rock but on sifting sand and GREAT is the fall of it…….


God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

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The writer of the website now makes the claim that the Sabbath was only given to Israel and no one else. This is a strange claim as the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment is one of the Ten Commandments and if this argument is true then none need worry about obeying any of the other commandments right? Wrong! Let’s see who God’s Israel is according to God’s Word………..

Who are Israel?

"Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. The origin of the name "Israel" come from Genesis 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

Israel is only a name given by God that represents God's people and today anyone who is following Jesus is part of God's Israel according to God's Word.

What does God's Word say.....................................…

Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, AND TO YOUR SEED, WHICH IS CHRIST (Galatians 3:16)

Abraham’s seed is Israel............................................

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........................

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

Believe the scriptures..................................................................

Galatians 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........................

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

So there you go the seventh section of your post from the word of website comes tumbling down because it is not built on the rock but on sifting sand and GREAT is the fall of it…….


God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

all very good but do you believe the following:

Do you agree with the statement of the SDA (Plus all the failed and false prophecies):


SATAN BEARS OUR SINS

"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).

"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.

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[LoveGodForever]

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DOESN'T THE BIBLE SAY THAT THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN?
"And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." Mark 2:27. Sabbatarians often use this verse to say that the Sabbath was made for all mankind, but the text doesn't say that. It doesn't say, "The Sabbath was made for "mankind", it says, "the Sabbath was made for man". When the Scripture is meant to be inclusive of all mankind it is clear. See Matthew 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2:17; I Timothy 2:4; Titus 2:11. These verses clearly indicate that when God offers something to all mankind He clearly offers it to all.
The Sabbath was not offered to all the nations. It was given only to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. It is clearly stated that God did not give the Sabbath or other commandments to the fathers before (see verses 2-3).

The writer of the website is now trying to argue that the Bible does not say that the Sabbath was made for mankind and that it was only given to Israel. This is only a repeat of what has already been shown to be not true but we will look at the scripture then use here to see if there is any truth in how they are being used and compare them to what God says……….

The writer argues that Mark 2:27 does not mean all mankind. Let’s have a look at the scripture..

Mark 2
27, And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for MAN, and not man for the Sabbath

So the scripture seems very clear that the Sabbath was made for MAN. Now we cannot argue with that can we? Jesus himself tells us that the Sabbath was made for MAN. Let’s look at the GREEK meaning of MAN…

STRONGS Greek
MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n.1. (literally) man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).2. (concretely, in Hebrew) a clay being (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female).3. a human being.4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone).[from G435 and ops “the countenance” (from G3700)]KJV: certain, man Root(s): G435, G3700

So the Sabbath was made for Human beings; clay beings (we are made out of the dust); male and female; mankind

This agrees with the English word for MAN

WEBSTERS DICTIONARY
MAN, n. plu. men. [Heb.species, kind, image, similitude.]
1. Mankind; the human race; the whole species of human beings; beings distinguished from all other animals by the powers of reason and speech, as well as by their shape and dignified aspect. "Os homini sublime dedit." And God said, Let us make man in our image, , after our likeness, and let them have dominion--Gen 1

So the answer is YES the Sabbath was given to ALL mankind the scripture is very clear in Mark 2:27.

However let’s now look at the scriptures the writer of the website uses to argue that Mark 2:27 does not really mean what it says. The writer states “when that when the Scripture is meant to be inclusive of all mankind it is clear.” Then quotes Matthew 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2:17; I Timothy 2:4; Titus 2:11.

Ok let’s have a look at the scriptures being used to say that Mark 2:27 does not mean what it says.

Matthew 28
19, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

John 3
16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 2
17, And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

I Timothy 2
4, Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Titus 2
11, For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Now can someone please tell me the difference between all men, all nations, all flesh, Human beings and Mankind?

So yes Mark 2:27 says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind just like the scripture says!

So there you go the eight section of your post from the word of website comes tumbling down because it is not built on the rock but on sifting sand and GREAT is the fall of it…….

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[LoveGodForever]

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POST 9 (reply to the word of website)

One writer has brought up the point that this text shows that the Sabbath was not a part of the "moral" Law to be kept by all mankind from the beginning, for it had to be made. It was made in Exodus 16-20. Notice also that this text does not say it was made for man from the "beginning," as was marriage (cf Matthew 19:4ff). WHICH OTHER OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS HAD TO BE MADE? --NOT ONE! (Gerald N. Wright, Sabbatarian Concordance & Commentary, Star Bible & Tract Corp., 1977, pp. 78-79). Wright commenting on this passage says: "The other nine [commandments] were (and are) inherently right from the beginning, reflecting God's righteous nature and being naturally a part of man's moral character, who was made in the image of God (cf Romans 2:14). Which command other than the sabbath is lower than man--subject to being set aside under certain circumstances? When, or under what circumstances, can man lawfully commit adultery? Obviously, never! Man's life is not above God's holy and moral laws. Yet even a sheep's life is more important than rigid enforcement of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10-12)!

Now the writer of the website is trying to argue that the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment is not a “MORAL” Law like the other 9 commandments and is in fact a ceremonial law further arguing that this is also because the Sabbath is the only commandment that was made.

Let’s have a look at this claim. The Word “Moral” is not used in the bible it is an English word so we will start by looking at its English definition;

WEBSTERS DICTIONARY
MOR'AL, a. [L. moralis, from mos, moris, manner.]
1. Relating to the practice, manners or conduct of men as social beings in relation to each other, and with reference to right and wrong. The word moral is applicable to actions that are good or evil, virtuous or vicious, and has reference to the law of God as the standard by which their character is to be determined.

So the word Moral means is applied to actions that are good or evil with reference to God’s Law. So if God’s Law is the standard of morals that the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment which is a part of God’s Law is a moral law.

The Ten Commandments are summed up in two great commandments spoken of by Jesus in….

Mathew 22
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus is here quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 which is summing up the law and the prophets stating on these two great commandments of LOVE hang ALL the LAW and the prophets.

The first for commandments are our duty of LOVE to our GOD and the second 6 commandments are our duty of LOVE to our neighbour. Therefore ALL of God’s commandments are MORAL Laws which fall within the definition of “Moral” which mean actions that are good or evil with reference to God’s Law of LOVE (Ten Commandments).

Now let’s look a bit deeper into God’s Word on the two laws that make up the Old Covenant and they purposes……….

(1) God’s Law (10 commandments to identify sin and righteousness)
Purpose; reveals what sin and righteousness (right doing) is and the describes the penalty for sin (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come. (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 31:18; 31:18; Exodus 20:1-22; Deuteronomy 10:5; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 7:19; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1 John 3:5-8; 1 John 2:3-4; Ecclesiastes 3:14)

(2) The laws of Moses (Levitical, ceremonial, sacrificial for remission and forgiveness of sin)
Purpose; was the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings for sin, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and provided a cure for sin through animal sacrifice and food and drink offerings and yearly sin atonement's for God’s people. (Leviticus 1:1-13; Leviticus 23:1-44; Numbers 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 24:10-11; Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 31:24-26; Colossians 2:16-16; Hebrews 10:1; Ephesians 2:14-15; Leviticus 4; 5; 6; Hebrews 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; not exhaustive there are many more).

Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross and shadows of things to come......

Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the Savior of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Colossians 2:14; Ephesians 2:15; John 3:16).

Now as the Mosaic laws for remission of sin were Shadows of things to come God’s Law is FOREVER and shown in God’s Word…….

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5).

** What the writer of word of website fails to understand is that all the laws were made because mankind was made and then sinned and all these laws were made to give mankind a knowledge of Good and Evil; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS hence Moral laws governing good and bad behaviour. The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27) and is our duty of LOVE to our God.

So there you go the ninth section of your post from the word of website comes tumbling down because it is not built on the rock but on sifting sand and GREAT is the fall of it…….

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[phil36]

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POST 8 (reply to the word of website)

The writer of the website is now trying to argue that the Bible does not say that the Sabbath was made for mankind and that it was only given to Israel. This is only a repeat of what has already been shown to be not true but we will look at the scripture then use here to see if there is any truth in how they are being used and compare them to what God says……….

The writer argues that Mark 2:27 does not mean all mankind. Let’s have a look at the scripture..

Mark 2
27, And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for MAN, and not man for the Sabbath

So the scripture seems very clear that the Sabbath was made for MAN. Now we cannot argue with that can we? Jesus himself tells us that the Sabbath was made for MAN. Let’s look at the GREEK meaning of MAN…

STRONGS Greek
MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n.1. (literally) man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).2. (concretely, in Hebrew) a clay being (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female).3. a human being.4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone).[from G435 and ops “the countenance” (from G3700)]KJV: certain, man Root(s): G435, G3700

So the Sabbath was made for Human beings; clay beings (we are made out of the dust); male and female; mankind

This agrees with the English word for MAN

WEBSTERS DICTIONARY
MAN, n. plu. men. [Heb.species, kind, image, similitude.]
1. Mankind; the human race; the whole species of human beings; beings distinguished from all other animals by the powers of reason and speech, as well as by their shape and dignified aspect. "Os homini sublime dedit." And God said, Let us make man in our image, , after our likeness, and let them have dominion--Gen 1

So the answer is YES the Sabbath was given to ALL mankind the scripture is very clear in Mark 2:27.

However let’s now look at the scriptures the writer of the website uses to argue that Mark 2:27 does not really mean what it says. The writer states “when that when the Scripture is meant to be inclusive of all mankind it is clear.” Then quotes Matthew 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2:17; I Timothy 2:4; Titus 2:11.

Ok let’s have a look at the scriptures being used to say that Mark 2:27 does not mean what it says.

Matthew 28
19, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

John 3
16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 2
17, And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

I Timothy 2
4, Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Titus 2
11, For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Now can someone please tell me the difference between all men, all nations, all flesh, Human beings and Mankind?

So yes Mark 2:27 says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind just like the scripture says!

So there you go the eight section of your post from the word of website comes tumbling down because it is not built on the rock but on sifting sand and GREAT is the fall of it…….

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

LOl Nobody is fooled by the SDA/Sabbatarian Scripture twisting, the below text proves this. You need to come out of this cult LGF.



Do you agree with the statement of the SDA (Plus all the failed and false prophecies):


SATAN BEARS OUR SINS

"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).

"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.

 

[LoveGodForever]

TIME FOR THE WORD OF WEBSITE TO COME TUMBLING DOWN

POST 10 (reply to the word of website)

NO "BURGER KING" SABBATHS - You can't "Have It Your Way" with the Sabbath. God specifies how it was to be kept. -It was to be kept from sunset to sunset (Lev. 23:32) -No burden was to be carried (Jer. 17:21) -No fire kindled (Ex. 35:3) -No Cooking done (Ex. 16:23) -The penalty for doing any of these things during the Sabbath was DEATH (Numbers 15).

What the writer of the website has not disclosed is that under the civil laws of Moses God’s people that were caught openly sinning against God in most of the Ten Commandments were put to death.

For example; Not honoring your mother and farther; death penalty ( Lev 20:9 ), Blaspheming or using God’s name in vain; death penalty ( Lev 24:10-17 ), Idolatry; death penalty ( Deut 27:15; Deut 7:25- 26), serving other Gods; death penalty (Deut 13:6-18; 1Sam 26:19), coveting and adultery; death penalty ( 2Pet 2:14; John 8:5 ), evil towards your neighbour; death penalty ( Deut 27:15-26 ) and yes as the 7th Day Sabbath is one of God’s 10 commandments it was also included and if it was openly broken just like adultery ( John 8:5 ) people were put to death.

Breaking God’s Law (10 commandments) is sin ( 1John 3:4 ) and the wages of sin is death ( Rom 6:23 ). Nothing has changed and this is also recorded in the New Testament scriptures as well, although we are no longer under the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical, Levitical, Sanctuary laws of Moses which were shadows of things to come and have been nailed to the cross.

The Jews had placed so many restrictions and mad made traditions on the Sabbath that it had become a burden to the people ( context is Matt 12:2; see also Matt 12:10; Mark 2:24; 3:2-4 Luke 6:2; 7-9; 13:10-16 etc .) Then in Matt 12:10-12 in the same chapter Jesus goes on to say it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath! Jesus came to teach us how to keep the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Mark 3:4; Luke 6:9) and is why Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27). This is why God’s Word says If anyone is knowingly and wilfully breaking any of the 10 commandments, including the 7th Day Sabbath you are deceiving yourself and not obeying or following God (James 2:8-12).

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament……….

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

So there you go the tenth section of your post from the word of website comes tumbling down because it is not built on the rock but on sifting sand and GREAT is the fall of it…….

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[phil36]

Hi LGF,

Your use of scripture cannot be trusted, You need to come out of the SDA/Sabbatarian cult with its failed and false prophecies and its misuse of scripture like the one below.. Which is blatantly false.. It goes to show how you are willing to twist scripture..

Do you agree with the statement of the SDA (Plus all the failed and false prophecies):


SATAN BEARS OUR SINS

"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).

"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.

sda_book_23

 

[LoveGodForever]

TIME FOR THE WORD OF WEBSITE TO COME TUMBLING DOWN

POST 11 (reply to the word of website)

NO "INSPIRED" WRITER MAKES ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE "MORAL" LAW & THE "CEREMONIAL" LAWS.
"(2) The Sabbath in its nature, is itself a ceremonial law: the moral law is all law which appeals to the conscience, and needs no written revelation; but as to which day to observe, or whether to observe any day at all, conscience is silent. If we are to distinguish between the moral and the ceremonial law, on the ground that one is passed, and the other still in force, then--as the Sabbath is purely ceremonial law--it is passed. But the most important point still remains. (3) I, as a Christian, obey all law that is moral in the Decalogue, not because it is in the Law, but because it is in the Gospel. Worship of God only is enjoined fifty times in the New Testament; idolatry is forbidden twelve times; profanity four times; honor of father and mother is commanded six times; adultery is forbidden twelve; theft six; false witness four; and covetousness, nine times. "The Ten Commandments," as Luther says, "do not apply to us Gentiles and Christians, but only to the Jews." So the Sabbath--except in a single passage where, classing it with the entire law, he declares it has been totally abolished. So the early Church held."
--D. M. Panton, cited in Heresies Exposed, Compiled by Irvine, pp. 164-165.

The writer of the website claims that there is no distinction between God’s Law (10 commandments) and the ceremonial laws of Moses. They goes on to argue the Sabbath is a ceremonial law. This however has already been shown to be false in a previous post so is only repetition of something already stated. Then the writer makes a quote from a book instead of using God’s Word. The above was already shown to be a false claim with the following scriptures and word definitions……
The Word “Moral” is not used in the bible it is an English word so we will start by looking at its English definition;

WEBSTERS DICTIONARY
MOR'AL, a. [L. moralis, from mos, moris, manner.]
1. Relating to the practice, manners or conduct of men as social beings in relation to each other, and with reference to right and wrong. The word moral is applicable to actions that are good or evil, virtuous or vicious, and has reference to the law of God as the standard by which their character is to be determined.

So the word Moral means is applied to actions that are good or evil with reference to God’s Law. So if God’s Law is the standard of morals that the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment which is a part of God’s Law is a moral law.

The Ten Commandments are summed up in two great commandments spoken of by Jesus in….

Mathew 22
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Jesus is here quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 which is summing up the law and the prophets stating on these two great commandments of LOVE hang ALL the LAW and the prophets.

The first for commandments are our duty of LOVE to our GOD and the second 6 commandments are our duty of LOVE to our neighbour. Therefore ALL of God’s commandments are MORAL Laws which fall within the definition of “Moral” which mean actions that are good or evil with reference to God’s Law of LOVE (Ten Commandments).

Now let’s look a bit deeper into God’s Word on the two laws that make up the Old Covenant and they purposes……….

(1) God’s Law (10 commandments to identify sin and righteousness)
Purpose; reveals what sin and righteousness (right doing) is and the describes the penalty for sin (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come. (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 31:18; 31:18; Exodus 20:1-22; Deuteronomy 10:5; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 7:19; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1 John 3:5-8; 1 John 2:3-4; Ecclesiastes 3:14)

(2) The laws of Moses (Levitical, ceremonial, sacrificial for remission and forgiveness of sin)
Purpose; was the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings for sin, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and provided a cure for sin through animal sacrifice and food and drink offerings and yearly sin atonement's for God’s people. (Leviticus 1:1-13; Leviticus 23:1-44; Numbers 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 24:10-11; Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 31:24-26; Colossians 2:16-16; Hebrews 10:1; Ephesians 2:14-15; Leviticus 4; 5; 6; Hebrews 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; not exhaustive there are many more).

Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross and shadows of things to come......

Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the Savior of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Colossians 2:14; Ephesians 2:15; John 3:16).

Now as the Mosaic laws for remission of sin were Shadows of things to come God’s Law is FOREVER and shown in God’s Word…….

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5).

So there you go the eleventh section of your post from the word of website comes tumbling down because it is not built on the rock but on sifting sand and GREAT is the fall of it…….

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[phil36]

Hi LGF,

Your use of scripture cannot be trusted, You need to come out of the SDA/Sabbatarian cult with its failed and false prophecies and its misuse of scripture like the one below.. Which is blatantly false.. It goes to show how you are willing to twist scripture..

Do you agree with the statement of the SDA (Plus all the failed and false prophecies):


SATAN BEARS OUR SINS

"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).

"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.

sda_book_23

 

[preacher4truth]

LOl Nobody is fooled by the SDA/Sabbatarian Scripture twisting, the below text proves this. You need to come out of this cult LGF.



Do you agree with the statement of the SDA (Plus all the failed and false prophecies):


SATAN BEARS OUR SINS

"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).

"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.

So after all the denial, LGF has finally admitted to being a disciple of Ellen G. White and an SDA?

 

[LoveGodForever]

TIME FOR THE WORD OF WEBSITE TO COME TUMBLING DOWN

POST 12 (reply to the word of website)

IS A SABBATH KEEPING CHURCH THE "REMNANT" OR COMMANDMENT KEEPING CHURCH THAT IS SPOKEN OF IN REVELATION 12:17?

Rev. 12:17 says, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus."
In the New Covenant, what are the "Commandments" of God? Does this mean Ten Commandments? NO! The Greek word used for the Ten Commandments is "NOMOS". That word is not used here. The word used here is "ENTELE" and means "teachings".

The writer of the website makes a funny attempt to say that the word commandment used in the book of Revelations does not mean commandments and argues that “NOMOS” only means Ten Commandments. This is NOT true at all as can be shown below with the GREEK work meaning used in Revelations for “ENTOLE”
STRONGS
G1785 ἐντολήentole (en-to-lee') n.injunction, i.e. an authoritative prescription.[from G1781]KJV: COMMANDMENT, PRECEPTRoot(s): G1781

So the GREEK word “ENTOLE” can indeed refer to God’s 10 Commandments as shown in the following scriptures which define who God’s remnant are…..

Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Only God’s Word is true and we should BELIEVE what God’s Word says because ONLY BELIEVERS have the right to enter into the gates and the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

ANSWER: YES INDEED God’s last day REMNENAT Church KEEP ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD through their Faith in JESUS.

John clarifies this and actually tells us what the "commandments" are that we are to keep:
I John 5:1-3 says, "Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God; and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome." These verses are often used to teach people that they must keep the Ten Commandments, especially the Sabbath. However, the Apostle John defines the "commandments" for us. In the prior chapter he defines them explicitly. "Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in is sight. And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. And the one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him..." I John 3:21-24a.

Now the writer of the word of website tries to argue that 1 John 5:1-3 is used in support of obedience to God’s ten commandments but says that the CONTEXT is missing which is 1 John 3:21-24 which says that the commandments being referred to in 1 John 5:1-3 is believe in the name of Jesus Christ and to love one another as he commanded us. The scripture is true we are to believe in the name of Jesus which is Saviour ( Matthew 1:21 ) and Jesus is the WORD of God ( John 1:1-14) so we must BELIEVE in the WORD OF GOD a s our Saviour and to LOVE one another. This however does not mean that 1 John 1-3 is NOT referring to God’s 10 commandments bec ause it CETAINLY DOES as highlighted in CONTEXT with 1 John 2:3-14 which proceeds 1 John 3:21-24 as referenced by the writer of the website. Let’s look at some more scriptures in reference to 1 John 3:21-24 on love and how love is connected to God’s 10 commandments.

The Word of God says that LOVE and God’s LAW cannot be separated and they are ONE but not the same

Matthew 22
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

And again…………………

Romans 13
8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10, Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And again…………………

James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

The writer of the website also does not quote the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:21-24….

1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11,For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abides in death.
15, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Note: The CONTEXT of 1 John 3:21-24 is GOD’S 10 commandments defining SIN which is transgression of God’s LAW ( 1 John 3:4; James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20) CONTEXT is saying that those that BREAK God’s LAW do NOT KNOW GOD (v6) Don’t let anyone DECIEVE you because those who BREAK God’s LAW are from the DEVIL (v7-8). If you are BORN OF GOD you will NOT practice SIN (v9). NOT BREAKING God’s COMMANDMENTS is a SIGN if someone is FOLLOWING GOD or NOT FOLLOWING GOD (v10) LOVE is the fulfilling of God’s LAW (v11; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12) Then it is talking about hate and MURDER (v 12-15; Exodus 20:13 the 6 th Commandment)

Let’s put it all together…………..

The writer of the word of website’s claim that 1 John 5:1-3 is not referring to God’s 10 commandments is false

1 John 3:21-24 is true it is referring to BELIEVING ALL THE WORD OF GOD and follow LOVE which fulfils God’s LAW (10 commandments) in those who BELIEVE. God’s LAW and LOVE cannot be separated and are ONE. The writer does not even consider the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:21-24 which is 1 John 3:3-15 which is talking about God’s 10 commandments.

So there you go the thirteenth section of your post from the word of website comes tumbling down because it is not built on the rock but on sifting sand and GREAT is the fall of it…….

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God ask s us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[phil36]

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Hi LGF,

Your use of scripture cannot be trusted, You need to come out of the SDA/Sabbatarian cult with its failed and false prophecies and its misuse of scripture like the one below.. Which is blatantly false.. It goes to show how you are willing to twist scripture..

Do you agree with the statement of the SDA (Plus all the failed and false prophecies):


SATAN BEARS OUR SINS

"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).

"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.

sda_book_23

 

[LoveGodForever]

So after all the denial, LGF has finally admitted to being a disciple of Ellen G. White and an SDA?

Friend,

Do you believe God's Word? Please if you do can you and your buddies address all the posts and scriptures I have provided just now that refutes your word of website? If you cannot than I guess you do not KNOW God's Word? If you do not KNOW God's Word how can you know the truth? If you cannot know the truth then it does not look to good for you on the day of judgement....

Something for you to pray about....

Exodus 20
16, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

 

[phil36]

Friend,

Do you believe God's Word? Please if you do can you and your buddies address all the posts and scriptures I have provided just now that refutes your word of website? If you cannot than I guess you do not KNOW God's Word? If you do not KNOW God's Word how can you know the truth? If you cannot know the truth then it does not look to good for you on the day of judgement....

Something for you to pray about....

Exodus 20
16, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Hi LGF,

Your use of scripture cannot be trusted, You need to come out of the SDA/Sabbatarian cult with its failed and false prophecies and its misuse of scripture like the one below.. Which is blatantly false.. It goes to show how you are willing to twist scripture..

Do you agree with the statement of the SDA (Plus all the failed and false prophecies):


SATAN BEARS OUR SINS

"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).

"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.

sda_book_23

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi LGF,

Hi Phil,

Now there you go your word of website you point everybody to comes tumbling down for all to see
Do you believe God's Word? Please if you do can you and your buddies address all the posts and scriptures I have provided just now that refutes your word of website?

If you cannot than I guess you do not KNOW God's Word? If you do not KNOW God's Word how can you know the truth? If you cannot know the truth then it does not look to good for you on the day of judgement....

I will be happy to talk to you about another topic once you reply to the last 12 posts and the scripture that refutes your website. Otherwise why waste time as this is not a discussion. If you do not BELIEVE God's Word it is very simple you are NOT a BELIEVER and UNBELIEVERS have NO part in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. IF you do not agree please tell me why through the WORD of GOD because it is only through the WORD of God that one stands or falls. Seems like you have fallen.

I look forward to your reply to all the posts that refute your website. If you cannot you should BELIEVE God's WORD because time is running out.

May God help you as you seek Him in repentance

 

[phil36]

Hi Phil,
Now there you go your word of website you point everybody to comes tumbling down for all to see
Do you believe God's Word? Please if you do can you and your buddies address all the posts and scriptures I have provided just now that refutes your word of website?

If you cannot than I guess you do not KNOW God's Word? If you do not KNOW God's Word how can you know the truth? If you cannot know the truth then it does not look to good for you on the day of judgement....

I will be happy to talk to you about another topic once you reply to the last 12 posts and the scripture that refutes your website. Otherwise why waste time as this is not a discussion. If you do not BELIEVE God's Word it is very simple you are NOT a BELIEVER and UNBELIEVERS have NO part in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. IF you do not agree please tell me why through the WORD of GOD because it is only through the WORD of God that one stands or falls. Seems like you have fallen.

May God help you as you seek Him in repentance

Hi LGF,

Your use of scripture cannot be trusted, You need to come out of the SDA/Sabbatarian cult with its failed and false prophecies and its misuse of scripture like the one below.. Which is blatantly false.. It goes to show how you are willing to twist scripture..

Do you agree with the statement of the SDA (Plus all the failed and false prophecies):


SATAN BEARS OUR SINS

"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).

"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.

sda_book_23

 

[gotime]

lol and the unrelated material and straw men keep on coming. I guess when you have nothing but don't want to admit it then you have to go there.

 

[LoveGodForever]

lol and the unrelated material and straw men keep on coming. I guess when you have nothing but don't want to admit it then you have to go there.

Seems the house that they were building has fallen and great was the fall thereof.

Now they have no where to hide because they do not know God's Word. It is sad but not too late but only those that have eyes to see will see and ears to hear will hear.

God's sheep hear His Voice because it is the Word of God

May God bless you are you continue in His Word.

 

[gb9]

any theology that does allow direct questions to be answered is a fake theology.