GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

COOL! I can read this!!

Hi Beez so nice to meet you and very welcome here

Please forgive me for my long posts sometimes. I love God's Word and love sharing it as I believe it is only here we should point all so they can find Jesus (the living Word of God).

I like to provide as much supporting scriptures as possible for those that may be interested and will continue to do this as required.

Sometimes I do post too much in a single post however and have been thinking it may be better to spread what I am sharing over multiple smaller posts instead to make it easier to read for people like yourself. Thanks for sharing

May God's blessing be with you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[valiant]

Hello valiant we should discuss it. I will always add scripture in support of my statements however.

So will I. But one or two are enough to give the main emphasis. Producing hundreds which in context are meaningless, each simply saying the same thing, is trying to impress, not discussing.

If you choose not to it is up to you but the scripture supports what you are saying.

I am glad you recognise the fact.

There is no such thing as meaningless scripture.

A hundred verse all saying the same thing makes 99% meaningless.

Do you mind me using scripture?

If you produce one or two to support your argument, no. If you produce 100 saying the same thing I will simply not read them and go.

In your post above you suggest that the 10 commandments is the old covenant. Is this all there is to the Old Covenant in your view?

'The ten commandments' is a modern view. In Exodus 20 they are simply ten words summarising His wider law and requiring the people of Israel to live in a certain way, which follow on what He has done for them. They are then expanded on. The old covenant is the whole, initially up to ch 23. But then extended.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hello gotime,

Normally I agree with much you post. Some comments for your consideration below..............

As Far as the Sabbath old covenant only I disagree as it is before the Old Covenant was given. But I get that for you see it that way. That is why I don't doubt that you and many who worship on other days are walking by faith. Many don't get that point, that we can think your wrong and not think you are lost at the same time.

Just want to comment on the highlighted section above and will just ask you a some simple questions to consider, keeping in mind that the scripture says; that in the times if ignorance when someone has no knowledge of God's truth God winks at but when I knowledge of the truth has come calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).

My question for your consideration is;

If God says to two people; "thou shalt not lie" (Exodus 20:16) and one person hears the Word but decides to lie is this first person walking by faith in God's Word or not?

Now if God says the same thing to the second person "thou shalt not lie" and because that person believes God's Word and through faith that works by love chooses not to lie is this second person walking by faith?

Which of the two people in the questions above are walking by faith and how does your answer effect what you have said above highlighted in bold?

To me the person that does not BELIEVE and follow God's Word is NOT walking by faith because they have chosen NOT to follow God's Word.

 

[UnderGrace]

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

This is completely out of context and I would say that with the book of Hebrews there is not even one chapter that can "stand alone" to use your words let alone one verse.

Have you ever written a paper where your argument slowly builds upon itself so that to understand the theme of the paper each sentence is intricately connected to the next so that there can be no extracting one line away from the the other...this is the book of Hebrews!!

So.... it does not matter how much you refer and quote God's written word, there is only one starting point for understanding all of scripture and that is the Gospel of Christ Jesus and the assurance of salvation for the born again believer.

From what you state below you deny the efficacy of the cross and place salvation upon the individual keeping the Sabbath and repenting when one fails to keep the Sabbath so much so that they jeopardize their salvation.

This is contrary to the work of Christ Jesus, WHY? Because we are under Grace not the law, and if one properly understands the work of Grace, which is ongoing, in the life of the believer one knows that the internal spiritual life of Jesus within is what we abide by, not the law written on stone.

He is the fulfillment of the law, He is the living breathing source we draw from, but you seem to want to do some external observance to maintain your salvation.

I can tell you very plainly, the law and grace do not mix...been there and done that, it is a death knell to the victorious life in Christ.

Really Phil? Then please post something that I have posted in error and out of context that changes interpretation of God's Word and let's discuss it and let God's Word be the judge. If you cannot maybe you need to re-consider what it is you believe?

Only God's Word is true and it is only on the Word that I stand and point all who believe to because it is ONLY in God's Word that any can know the truth. If you do not know God's Word you do not know the truth and if you do not know the truth then pointing people away from God's Word to the word of website and teachings of men only makes you a blind leader of the blind and if the blind shall lead the blind both shall fall into a ditch.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[Beez]

Hi Beez so nice to meet you and very welcome here . . . .

Oh, please forgive me for even writing anything about this. I did wonder if others also had trouble reading them, since I did. Quite presumptuous, I see now.

It was just that the large bold fonts are harder to read than the small plain texts, believe it or not. My eyes start jumping. (??? Weird!) Bold red is also hard to read. I need to watch what I use!!

But thank you for making these posts easier to read!!

 

[LoveGodForever]

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

This is completely out of context and I would say that with the book of Hebrews there is not even one chapter that can "stand alone" to use your words let alone one verse.

Have you ever written a paper where your argument slowly builds upon itself so that to understand the theme of the paper each sentence is intricately connected to the next so that there can be no extracting one line away from the the other...this is the book of Hebrews!!

So.... it does not matter how much you refer and quote God's written word, there is only one starting point for understanding all of scripture and that is the Gospel of Christ Jesus and the assurance of salvation for the born again believer.

From what you state below you deny the efficacy of the cross and place salvation upon the individual keeping the Sabbath and repenting when one fails to keep the Sabbath so much so that they jeopardize their salvation.

This is contrary to the work of Christ Jesus, WHY? Because we are under Grace not the law, and if one properly understands the work of Grace, which is ongoing, in the life of the believer one knows that the internal spiritual life of Jesus within is what we abide by, not the law written on stone.

He is the fulfillment of the law, He is the living breathing source we draw from, but you seem to want to do some external observance to maintain your salvation.

I can tell you very plainly, the law and grace do not mix...been there and done that, it is a death knell to the victorious life in Christ.

Well UG what you have said above is not true at all and no where have I said, implied or stated or believe...

UG said; From what you state below you deny the efficacy of the cross and place salvation upon the individual keeping the Sabbath and repenting when one fails to keep the Sabbath so much so that they jeopardize their salvation.

What is being shared is that God's Word teaches that KNOWN SIN will keep you out of God's Kingdom for those that continue practicing it and Hebrews 10:26-27 is in context to the topic of discussion. As it is written;

Acts 17
30, And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now <When a knowledge of the truth has come> commands all men every where to repent:
31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

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Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

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Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

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James 2
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

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Romans 7
7, What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust,3 except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

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1 John 3
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Scriptures that are on the same topic can used to explain a topic of discussion in this case practicing known sin will keep you out of God's Kingdom. It's called topical bible study comparing scripture with scripture on the same topic. Everything is as it should be. We either believe God's Word or we do not. It is up to all to choose who they will follow.

Matt 4:4
4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
Isa 28:10
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Isa 28:13
But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[gb9]

there is also not one verse in the New testament that says believers have to keep the Sabbath. not one that says it directly.

 

[LoveGodForever]

there is also not one verse in the New testament that says believers have to keep the Sabbath. not one that says it directly.

A lot of the other 10 commandments were not directly referenced from Exodus 20, but they are all mentioned in the NT as they where already given to God's people who have had them for thousands of years already as their purpose was the standard of good and evil, to give a knowledge of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS. Breaking any of the Ten Commandments is SIN.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

The direct reference is here.........

Exodus 20
1, And GOD SPOKE ALL THESE WORDS, SAYING,
2, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.1
3, Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4, Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5, Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6, And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7, Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thydaughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12, Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13, Thou shalt not kill.
14, Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15, Thou shalt not steal.
16, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17, Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
18, And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
19, And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

If God's Word is the ten commandments as shown above, The scriptures tell us that God's Word is FOREVER.........

Isaiah 40
8, The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but THE WORD OF OUR GOD SHALL STAND FOREVER.

God's Law (10 commandments) in the New Testament

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Peter 2:20-22; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today (Linked)

5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbors possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

Hope this helps.....

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[LoveGodForever]

In my opinion, it was for all believers who tied themselves to the nation of Israel, according to the Scriptures. Further, in my opinion, it is a gift to His followers, according to the Scriptures. And -- in my opinion -- our L-RD did Sabbath and told us, "Do as I do." I don't want to miss any gift of His!

Thanks for your insights Beez, this is a very simple test and very true... Jesus is our example and we should follow Him........

Matthew 10
38, And he that taketh not his cross, and follows after me, is not worthy of me.

John 8
12, Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that follows me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Thanks for sharing your wise Words from the Lord.

 

[loveme1]

there is also not one verse in the New testament that says believers have to keep the Sabbath. not one that says it directly.

If you don’t believe the Lord’s Testament you would think the above be true.. He declares Truth about Sabbath of which He is Lord of...

Also taught us to Keep even the Least Commandment...


So you really are choosing to ignore this... which is your freewill to do and no one should have to be forced to Love GOD.. the New Testament is of GOD’s Love expressed in the Ultimate way..

But refrain from saying it is not there.. it is.

 

[gotime]

Hello gotime,

Normally I agree with much you post. Some comments for your consideration below..............



Just want to comment on the highlighted section above and will just ask you a some simple questions to consider, keeping in mind that the scripture says; that in the times if ignorance when someone has no knowledge of God's truth God winks at but when I knowledge of the truth has come calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).

My question for your consideration is;

If God says to two people; "thou shalt not lie" (Exodus 20:16) and one person hears the Word but decides to lie is this first person walking by faith in God's Word or not?

Now if God says the same thing to the second person "thou shalt not lie" and because that person believes God's Word and through faith that works by love chooses not to lie is this second person walking by faith?

Which of the two people in the questions above are walking by faith and how does your answer effect what you have said above highlighted in bold?

To me the person that does not BELIEVE and follow God's Word is NOT walking by faith because they have chosen NOT to follow God's Word.

Its not as simple as someone quoting the word to a person then if they don't do it they are lost. It takes time to discover the truth sometimes. When we are dealing with people who have been taught a whole false foundation then reasoning has to take place. Its not a case of everyone is ignoring what it says but rather they don't see what it says because of other errors.

Many are brought up taught false things about the Old Covenant and the New. So they read the scriptures different to how you and I might. They may be wrong but they may still be walking by faith.

Now I don't know if the person I was talking to is genuine or not. However in my short dealings with them they have come across more reasonable than others. So I give the benefit of the doubt and assume they are being honest.

I also know that Gods people perish because of lack of knowledge because they reject knowledge. But I have no idea who has done that and who has not.

I also acknowledge that this medium of communication is lacking in that it is easy to miss what is meant and easy to read posts wrong.

For example If these talks were face to face then people would not use the reasoning they use here. I know because that is exactly what happens face to face. You can't get away with the foolishness you can on here. Because when you are face to face you can talk back and fourth without interruption and distraction by other talks and the such.

But here people can easily ignore stuff and misread your posts etc. Many of the arguments used against the Sabbath on here fall flat to the floor when face to face. Because they can't skip around and ignore things.

So while people can learn the truth here, It is not a great medium for it. And thus I do not suppose that because I have given a sound biblical argument that then anyone who reads it has had their chance and should change right then or else.

hope that makes sense.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hello gotime,

Normally I agree with much you post. Some comments for your consideration below..............

Originally Posted by gotime

As Far as the Sabbath old covenant only I disagree as it is before the Old Covenant was given. But I get that for you see it that way. That is why I don't doubt that you and many who worship on other days are walking by faith. Many don't get that point, that we can think your wrong and not think you are lost at the same time.

Just want to comment on the highlighted section above and will just ask you a some simple questions to consider, keeping in mind that the scripture says; that in the times if ignorance when someone has no knowledge of God's truth God winks at but when I knowledge of the truth has come calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).

My question for your consideration is;

If God says to two people; "thou shalt not lie" (Exodus 20:16) and one person hears the Word but decides to lie is this first person walking by faith in God's Word or not?

Now if God says the same thing to the second person "thou shalt not lie" and because that person believes God's Word and through faith that works by love chooses not to lie is this second person walking by faith?

Which of the two people in the questions above are walking by faith and how does your answer effect what you have said above highlighted in bold?

To me the person that does not BELIEVE and follow God's Word is NOT walking by faith because they have chosen NOT to follow God's Word.

Its not as simple as someone quoting the word to a person then if they don't do it they are lost. It takes time to discover the truth sometimes. When we are dealing with people who have been taught a whole false foundation then reasoning has to take place. Its not a case of everyone is ignoring what it says but rather they don't see what it says because of other errors.

Many are brought up taught false things about the Old Covenant and the New. So they read the scriptures different to how you and I might. They may be wrong but they may still be walking by faith.

Now I don't know if the person I was talking to is genuine or not. However in my short dealings with them they have come across more reasonable than others. So I give the benefit of the doubt and assume they are being honest.

I also know that Gods people perish because of lack of knowledge because they reject knowledge. But I have no idea who has done that and who has not.

I also acknowledge that this medium of communication is lacking in that it is easy to miss what is meant and easy to read posts wrong.

For example If these talks were face to face then people would not use the reasoning they use here. I know because that is exactly what happens face to face. You can't get away with the foolishness you can on here. Because when you are face to face you can talk back and fourth without interruption and distraction by other talks and the such.

But here people can easily ignore stuff and misread your posts etc. Many of the arguments used against the Sabbath on here fall flat to the floor when face to face. Because they can't skip around and ignore things.

So while people can learn the truth here, It is not a great medium for it. And thus I do not suppose that because I have given a sound biblical argument that then anyone who reads it has had their chance and should change right then or else.

hope that makes sense.

Hello Gotime,

Thanks for your post but it did not answer my questions in the post above. It is ok you do not need to answer the questions here if you do not wish to.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word...

 

[trofimus]

Hello Gotime,

Thanks for your post but it did not answer my questions in the post above.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word...

Do you believe that Jesus is fully and eternally God?

 

[loveme1]

Do you believe that Jesus is fully and eternally God?

What purpose is there to your question?

I doubt you can fully perceive what you propose..

 

[trofimus]

What purpose is there to your question?

I doubt you can fully perceive what you propose..

What about you? Do you believe that Jesus is God?

The purpose is very easy to see - the salvation and "soundness" of Sabbatarians.

If you are not even Christians, what can you teach us, all your understanding will be in darkness...

 

[LoveGodForever]

Do you believe that Jesus is fully and eternally God?

Hello trofimus, Happy Sabbath (my time). Very good question. What does the Word of God say?

John 1
1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2, The same was in the beginning with God.
3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5, And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6, There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7, The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8, He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9, That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10, He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11, He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13, Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

and again...............

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

2 Peter 1:1 . . . our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.”

Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”

Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer)

2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ”

Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by Himself alone)

John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things)

John 1:1-3 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.”

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)

Revelation 1:5-6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)

Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

Colossians 2:9 - For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Hebrews 1:8-9 - But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

Many scripture from many places.....

 

[loveme1]

What about you? Do you believe that Jesus is God?

The purpose is very easy to see - the salvation and "soundness" of Sabbatarians.

If you are not even Christians, what can you teach us, all your understanding will be in darkness...

So you exalt yourself with 1 question to validate if I’m a Christian? ... sure I’m going to bite that bait... let the Messiah be your Teacher.. Believe Him above all else..

By the Grace of GOD through Faith in His Beloved Son I’m a Child of GOD because I believe...

Please call me a Child of GOD.. a Sabbatarian is not a term used in the Bible...

 

[Beez]

Before I decided to come to CC, I had told my husband, "Christians are so mean. They were in the old church we had been born into. They were among other groups we had tried. And they are on the Internet." G-D, help us. All of us! We forget that people are supposed to know we are believers by our love. Seriously.

So, rather than closing down and giving up, I came to CC, and among some, the same meanness flows. Many have been gracious to me here -- I have not, in any way, forgotten that. But we could ALL -- me, especially -- do better.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Before I decided to come to CC, I had told my husband, "Christians are so mean. They were in the old church we had been born into. They were among other groups we had tried. And they are on the Internet." G-D, help us. All of us! We forget that people are supposed to know we are believers by our love. Seriously.

So, rather than closing down and giving up, I came to CC, and among some, the same meanness flows. Many have been gracious to me here -- I have not, in any way, forgotten that. But we could ALL -- me, especially -- do better.

Absolutely Beez, I am so happy you can join us here. Sometimes it is easy to forget the scriptures...........

Ephesians 6
12, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

We always need to ABIDE in him who LOVES all because only in Jesus are we free to love all as he first loved us

Thanks for sharing your thoughts they are very relevant and timely because sometimes its easy to forget that we need to follow Him who loves us

May God bless you as you continue in His Words

 

[trofimus]

Hello trofimus, Happy Sabbath (my time). Very good question. What does the Word of God say?

John 1
1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2, The same was in the beginning with God.
3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5, And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6, There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7, The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8, He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9, That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10, He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11, He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13, Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

and again...............

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

2 Peter 1:1 . . . our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.”

Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”

Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer)

2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ”

Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by Himself alone)

John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things)

John 1:1-3 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.”

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)

Revelation 1:5-6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)

Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

Colossians 2:9 - For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Hebrews 1:8-9 - But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

Many scripture from many places.....

I was not asking for a list of verses. I asked if you believe that Jesus is eternal God.