Paul & his custom to keep Sabbath to the LORD
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why Paul say let no man judge you on sabbath days? Is that because Paul want us to rest on sabbath? Or otherwise?
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Think carefully friend....what was Paul's mission ? was it to 'convert gentiles to Christ - or was it to entrench gentiles even deeper into their own pagan observances ? Who do you think Paul was speaking to ? He was of course speaking to those who wanted to be converted, those who wanted to turn to Christ and take on the Sabbath as their holy day....but were being 'harassed by the gentiles and discouraged from doing so. that is why Paul told the Converts not to let any man judge them on their 'new Belief in Christ. Paul was NOT talking to the gentiles to stay firm in their belief. That was not his mission ! Can you understand that and accept it ?
Your reply studyman is stellar , but let us continue to study together these truths in God Word . I have highlighted in blue the things to address . So that others may examine these things if they are true.
Paul custom was to keep God Sabbath. Yet Paul understood clearly by preaching to the Jews , Greeks & Gentiles that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ. - Galatian 2:16
But which Law did God write on the table of his Heart ...
In the Old Testament :
Proverbs 7:2-3 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.
In the New Testament :
2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Did God change His commandments , or did someone else try to change them for Him...
I would suggest to all , examine these things carefully and in prayer.
Shalom
Paul custom was to keep God Sabbath. Yet Paul understood clearly by preaching to the Jews , Greeks & Gentiles that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ. - Galatian 2:16
But which Law did God write on the table of his Heart ...
In the Old Testament :
Proverbs 7:2-3 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.
In the New Testament :
2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Did God change His commandments , or did someone else try to change them for Him...
I would suggest to all , examine these things carefully and in prayer.
Shalom
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Go careful here my friend...yes scripture is true but man is not yet adjusted to it.
Christians 'mistakingly' think they already follow the 'real Jesus' when in fact they don't know Him yet. The 'sunday resurrected and worshipped Jesus ' is NOT the TRUE Jesus but an imposter from Rome...therefore to them the real Jesus has not yet come and they need to go back and start again with the 'Lord of the Sabbath who IS the real one and start keeping it with Him !!!...in order to be conformed to HIS image.
We need to start from a TRUE foundation or we are building on shifting sand and our house will collapse ! scripture warns us ! There is not a different Jesus for christians from the Lord of the Sabbath who respects His Father's Holy Day....the same yesterday, today and forever !
God bless you in your understanding !
Christians 'mistakingly' think they already follow the 'real Jesus' when in fact they don't know Him yet. The 'sunday resurrected and worshipped Jesus ' is NOT the TRUE Jesus but an imposter from Rome...therefore to them the real Jesus has not yet come and they need to go back and start again with the 'Lord of the Sabbath who IS the real one and start keeping it with Him !!!...in order to be conformed to HIS image.
We need to start from a TRUE foundation or we are building on shifting sand and our house will collapse ! scripture warns us ! There is not a different Jesus for christians from the Lord of the Sabbath who respects His Father's Holy Day....the same yesterday, today and forever !
God bless you in your understanding !
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) was part of a covenant with Israel under the Old Covenant that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17) Period.
Sabbatarians may try to manipulate and twist the Scriptures to teach otherwise all they want, but they are not fooling any genuine believers on Christian Chat.
SDA's and other movements that turn keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant play the same game in salvation that every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine.
Though they often deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
Sabbatarians may try to manipulate and twist the Scriptures to teach otherwise all they want, but they are not fooling any genuine believers on Christian Chat.
SDA's and other movements that turn keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant play the same game in salvation that every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine.
Though they often deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) was part of a covenant with Israel under the Old Covenant that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17) Period.
Sabbatarians may try to manipulate and twist the Scriptures to teach otherwise all they want, but they are not fooling any genuine believers on Christian Chat.
SDA's and other movements that turn keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant play the same game in salvation that every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine.
Though they often deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
Sabbatarians may try to manipulate and twist the Scriptures to teach otherwise all they want, but they are not fooling any genuine believers on Christian Chat.
SDA's and other movements that turn keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant play the same game in salvation that every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine.
Though they often deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
GOD’s Law with Grace and Truth through His Beloved Son is the New Covenant.
You can not mix old and new wine it is either Grace(New) or Works(Old)... but do not equate GOD’s Law to works.. the New Testament is Faith that worketh by love.. and if you Love ...you do.. as taught by the Lord...
Read the Testimony of the Lord.. Love GOD.. Love each other.. Love even our enemies... Love and Forgive.. be not the man forgiven of much with nothing to pay that His Lord had mercy.. and then go around collecting dues without mercy...
Seems like you have God's Law (10 commandments) mixed up with the Mosaic laws for remission of sin. All the scriptures you quote are in relation to the Mosaic laws for remission of sin that are shadows pointing to Jesus these are not God's 10 commandments.
Here friend you can read about them here with many of the Old Testament scriptures linking to the New Testament showing the Mosaic laws that are fulfilled in Christ. The 4th commandment is not one of them as the Mosaic annual sabbaths connected to the Jewish festivals in Leviticus 23 could fall on any day of the week.
If you do not agree would love you to show why your do not agree with 200+ scriptures that do not agree with your interpretation the link provided for convenience CLICK HERE
You and others call them Sabbatarians, while the Word of God call them those that keep the commandments of God because they are the only group that keep ALL the commandments of God through FAITH that works by LOVE in Jesus.....
Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
links to........
1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
links to..........
James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Yes it is very clear who God's people are according to His Word.......
Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Well sadly this is NOT true at all and is slander . It's never been about following the law its always been about following Christ by faith through love alone. Faith that works by love is what fulfills God's Law in those that walk in His Spirit (Romans 13:8-10).
Obedience is only the fruit of faith and a sign that someone is genuinely following God's Word (Matthew 7:17-27). If you seek obedience without faith you will never attain it because this is the gift of God written on the heart (Ephesians 2:8; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 8:10-12).
But if you believe God's Word, your faith will be counted for righteousness in God's eyes (Romans 1:17; Philippians 3:9). If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience (God's work in you) than you are still in your sins and have not seen him or known him and your faith is dead (Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-9).
Here friend you can read about them here with many of the Old Testament scriptures linking to the New Testament showing the Mosaic laws that are fulfilled in Christ. The 4th commandment is not one of them as the Mosaic annual sabbaths connected to the Jewish festivals in Leviticus 23 could fall on any day of the week.
If you do not agree would love you to show why your do not agree with 200+ scriptures that do not agree with your interpretation the link provided for convenience CLICK HERE
You and others call them Sabbatarians, while the Word of God call them those that keep the commandments of God because they are the only group that keep ALL the commandments of God through FAITH that works by LOVE in Jesus.....
Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
links to........
1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
links to..........
James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Yes it is very clear who God's people are according to His Word.......
Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
SDA's and other movements that turn keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription for Christians under the New Covenant play the same game in salvation that every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine. Though they often deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
. It's never been about following the law its always been about following Christ by faith through love alone. Faith that works by love is what fulfills God's Law in those that walk in His Spirit (Romans 13:8-10). Obedience is only the fruit of faith and a sign that someone is genuinely following God's Word (Matthew 7:17-27). If you seek obedience without faith you will never attain it because this is the gift of God written on the heart (Ephesians 2:8; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 8:10-12).
But if you believe God's Word, your faith will be counted for righteousness in God's eyes (Romans 1:17; Philippians 3:9). If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience (God's work in you) than you are still in your sins and have not seen him or known him and your faith is dead (Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-9).
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"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).
The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter. You cannot dissect the 10 commandments from the Law of Moses and simply label it the Law of God and mix it with grace under the New Covenant. Law and Grace don't mix.
"No one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins." (Luke 5:37-38). Acts of love/doing as the Lord taught is works/good works.
Ephesians 2:10 - For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
You just proved my point from post #51 about teaching that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works/subtle mixture of law and grace.
The New Covenant is wrapped up in Love. 1 John 3:23 - This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter. You cannot dissect the 10 commandments from the Law of Moses and simply label it the Law of God and mix it with grace under the New Covenant. Law and Grace don't mix.
"No one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins." (Luke 5:37-38). Acts of love/doing as the Lord taught is works/good works.
Ephesians 2:10 - For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
You just proved my point from post #51 about teaching that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works/subtle mixture of law and grace.
The New Covenant is wrapped up in Love. 1 John 3:23 - This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
Hello friend you seem to believe you know a lot about the Old and New Covenants. Could you please tell us in your view what is the Old Covenant and what is the New Covenant and what are the differences between the two? You do not seem to want to answer this question for some reason in other threads but it will make or a great discussion and let's see where the Word of God leads us?
Look forward to your reply....
Look forward to your reply....
Hello friend you seem to believe you know a lot about the Old and New Covenants. Could you please tell us in your view what is the Old Covenant and what is the New Covenant and what are the differences between the two? You do not seem to want to answer this question for some reason in other threads but it will make or a great discussion and let's see where the Word of God leads us?
Look forward to your reply....
Look forward to your reply....
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We could do the same things today if we were to go to synagogues and preach the Gospel to them. If others there desired we come back and preach the next week, we could do that. This is how Paul reached many with the Gospel.
Church gathering for biblical worship on the next day is always a great opportunity for the gathering saints to pray for the effectiveness of the Word upon the hearers the day prior and the next sabbath.
Church gathering for biblical worship on the next day is always a great opportunity for the gathering saints to pray for the effectiveness of the Word upon the hearers the day prior and the next sabbath.
1 John 3:23 affirms to the Lord’s Testament.. it does not supersede it... the Messiah dissects the 10...and expounds..... I am to believe.. as are all..
We the Creation needed to be cleaned inwardly.. the law in stone showed us our guilt and how we were dead in our trespasses and need of a Saviour.. so that I’m forgiven of.. becomes a new way of life through Faith... through the Holy Spirit.. the 10 become 1 Great and the second like it... Love.. I believe those that Love GOD Keep His Commandments.. yet those 10 do not tell me not to lust.. or love my enemies.. no.. they are the foundation of Love.. but Love is not measured by stone...
The moral precepts of 9 of the 10 commandments are repeated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.
1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3
Many people mistakenly look at the Ten Commandments as a set of rules that, if sufficiently obeyed, will guarantee entrance into heaven. The purpose of the Ten Commandments in the Law of Moses is to show people they cannot perfectly obey the Law (Romans 7:7-11), and are therefore in need of God’s mercy and grace. Despite the claims of the rich young man in Matthew 19:16, who confidently and (self righteously) declared that he qualified for heaven under those terms, but was mistaken. No one has perfectly obeyed the Ten Commandments (Ecclesiastes 7:20). The Ten Commandments demonstrate that we have all sinned (Romans 3:23) and are therefore in need of God’s mercy and grace, available only through faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 6:23; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9).
1 John 2:3 - Now by this we know that we know Him, (demonstrative evidence) if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
How do you define "keep" (Greek word tereo) His commandments? Sinless, perfect obedience to the 10 commandments from the OT? Are you trusting in your best efforts to obey the 10 commandments from the OT as the means of your salvation?
1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3
Many people mistakenly look at the Ten Commandments as a set of rules that, if sufficiently obeyed, will guarantee entrance into heaven. The purpose of the Ten Commandments in the Law of Moses is to show people they cannot perfectly obey the Law (Romans 7:7-11), and are therefore in need of God’s mercy and grace. Despite the claims of the rich young man in Matthew 19:16, who confidently and (self righteously) declared that he qualified for heaven under those terms, but was mistaken. No one has perfectly obeyed the Ten Commandments (Ecclesiastes 7:20). The Ten Commandments demonstrate that we have all sinned (Romans 3:23) and are therefore in need of God’s mercy and grace, available only through faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 6:23; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9).
1 John 2:3 - Now by this we know that we know Him, (demonstrative evidence) if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
How do you define "keep" (Greek word tereo) His commandments? Sinless, perfect obedience to the 10 commandments from the OT? Are you trusting in your best efforts to obey the 10 commandments from the OT as the means of your salvation?