fourth beast of daniel

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what do u guys think the fourth beast of daniel is?

i think its a revived roman empire of some sort its clearly pointing to that in the book of daniel. the description of the ffourth beast also matches perfectly with the description given in the book of revelation.

from gotquestions.org:

The Revived Roman Empire is commonly associated with the fourth beast of Daniel chapter 7. This beast is described as “terrifying and frightening and very powerful” (Daniel 7:7). This ten-horned beast is a prophetic picture of the Roman Empire (verses 19–24), but, as Daniel watches, a little horn rises from the beast, with “eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully” (verse 8). This final horn is the Antichrist, who will somehow be connected with the Roman Empire. Since the Roman Empire has been defunct since the fifth century, we expect it to be “revived” in some way to fulfill the end-times’ prophecies.
 
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I don't....I think it is an entirely different entity and the 10 horned beast of Revelation comes out of Islam IMV!
 
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how can it come from that if its the old empire revived? those guys didnt exist until 600AD
 
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how can it come from that if its the old empire revived? those guys didnt exist until 600AD
It is the end result....note...Rome conquered the area around the Mediterranean Sea....divided into East and West and ends in 10 toes of Iron and Clay that attempt to mix bit it will never stick...Out of this entity rises 10 horns...up out of these 10 horns rises a little horn and this little horn subdues 3 of the 10 to himself and in so doing establishes the 8th and final kingdom to rule over the Middle East...I.E. the kingdom of the Beast/Little horn A.K.A. AntiChrist so called.....now....Daniel gives the history of where he comes from....Alexander the Great conquers and then dies...his kingdom is divided by his 4 generals which results in the war between the Kings of the North and Kings of the South <--The Seleucids and Ptolomies.....The Kings of the North end up winning "Seleucids" and out of this entity comes Antiochus Epiphanes which is the forrunner or type of the Beast who is blended in with his description.....now...he comes out of the South Eastern Turkey, North Eastern Syria, North Western Iraq area and is called the Assyrian....

Having said that, what is the predominant religion of the whole Northern part of Africa, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, and most if not all countries surrounding the Mediterranean?

Islamic and........

Horus in Egypt was Bel in Assyria was Marduke in Babylon was Merodach in Persia was Jupiter/Zeus in Greece was Zeus in Rome is Allah at the end if the age and all were Satan attempting to be worshipped as a god in man....we know they were real by the very words of Jesus...When he writes to the assembly in Pergamos he states, " I know you dwell where Satan's seat is".....the throne of Zeus was located in Pergamos....

My view...the AC comes out of Islam, the god pushed is Allah and the false prophet (2nd beast) is the Last pope....the current pope.....and lest we forget...the last three popes have bowed to and kissed the Koran which is a very significant event....the "Vicar of God" sic....bowing to Islam and their unholy book!!
 
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Catholic catechism

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[SUP]330[/SUP]
 

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what do u guys think the fourth beast of daniel is?

i think its a revived roman empire of some sort its clearly pointing to that in the book of daniel. the description of the ffourth beast also matches perfectly with the description given in the book of revelation.

from gotquestions.org:

The Revived Roman Empire is commonly associated with the fourth beast of Daniel chapter 7. This beast is described as “terrifying and frightening and very powerful” (Daniel 7:7). This ten-horned beast is a prophetic picture of the Roman Empire (verses 19–24), but, as Daniel watches, a little horn rises from the beast, with “eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully” (verse 8). This final horn is the Antichrist, who will somehow be connected with the Roman Empire. Since the Roman Empire has been defunct since the fifth century, we expect it to be “revived” in some way to fulfill the end-times’ prophecies.
In Daniel 2., the same empires are also shown.

But here is the problem with saying that the Roman Empire ended and will "revive" at some future time,

The iron legs/toes, do not end, and then start up again.

And the same situation exists with the 4th beast of Dan. 7.

The iron is shown complete, divided at the toes, but solid iron.

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So the next question would be, where are in the time of the iron of Dan. 2?

The Roman Empire invaded Israel about 67 bc., so that would be where the iron starts.

Then we see the legs divided. This is assumed to be the division of the Empire into east and west, say about the 200's ad.

When do the toes divide, what event is that? The number 10 shows complete division, it is not literal.

We know for sure that this is showing the Empire divided, because it is even further divided by the clay.

See how the iron never comes together again. This shows that the Empire never comes together again after being divided.

So the Roman Empire First divides at the legs, then the toes, then with the clay.

(There won't be a future Roman Empire that rules planet earth, or the iron would have strength again.)

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But if this is true, the iron was here all the time, the Roman Empire was here, and is still here!

Who was the iron in the year 700 ad? In 1500 ad? in 1929?

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So what does the iron of Dan 2., tell us about the 4th beast of Dan. 7?

For one thing, it tells us that the 4th beast rules Israel for about 2000 years, from the Invasion of Israel in 67 bc until Israel is restored to Jerusalem, The same time as the iron in Dan. 2.

It also shows a divided Roman Empire, The ten horns, all Rome (iron), but divided.

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At the time that Daniel was written, no one knew who the iron empire was.

It was revealed that Rome was the iron when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad.

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Enough for now.
 
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I don't....I think it is an entirely different entity and the 10 horned beast of Revelation comes out of Islam IMV!
I agree with you. I can understand how people in the past believed it was Rome. Much has changed since WW2 ended, especially in the middle East and with the rise of Islam and their plan to destroy Israel, the US and all saints.
All that is needed is for some cleric to unite the different factions into the feet of clay and iron.
 

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I don't often find myself disagreeing with D-Con; but I do in this case. I believe that the ten horned beast represents the charter members of the European Common Market; which almost exactly correspond with Charlemagne's Holy Roman Empire.
 
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I don't often find myself disagreeing with D-Con; but I do in this case. I believe that the ten horned beast represents the charter members of the European Common Market; which almost exactly correspond with Charlemagne's Holy Roman Empire.
That's ok bro......we can discuss it over the fruit of our vines in the kingdom hahahhah ;)
 

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I don't often find myself disagreeing with D-Con; but I do in this case. I believe that the ten horned beast represents the charter members of the European Common Market; which almost exactly correspond with Charlemagne's Holy Roman Empire.
Who is the iron right now?

Who is the 4th beast right now?
 

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First I will start with The beast in Revelation 13 and work backwards.

In the vision he saw “a beast rise up out of the sea,
having seven heads and ten horns,

and upon his horns ten crowns,
and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

And the beast which I saw [was like] unto a leopard,
and his feet [were as] the feet of a bear,
and his mouth [as the] mouth of a lion:

and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority”
(Revelation 13:1-2). For this description will help identify the beast.

In Daniel 7, we find exactly these same symbols described.
Here again are the beasts, the seven heads, the 10 horns,
and here also is the lion, the bear and the leopard.

And here in Daniel the Bible tells us what these symbols represent.
God had given Daniel understanding in dreams and visions (Daniel 1:17).
a dream and a vision (Daniel 7:1) in which he saw four great beasts (verse 3)

1In the third year of the reign of (Jehoiakim) king of Judah
came (Nebuchadnezzar) king of (Babylon) unto Jerusalem, and besieged it.

2And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels
of the house of God: which he carried into the land of (Shinar)

as in Revelation, the beasts came up out of [the sea].
[out of the seas] = populations and multitudes of people from the world.

3And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

The first was like a “lion” (verse 4),
the second was like a “bear” (verse 5),
the third like a “leopard” (verse 6),

and the fourth was so dreadful and terrible it could not be compared
to any wild beast known to inhabit the Earth! (verse 7).


- "having seven heads and ten horns" ,the seven "heads"

Now there was only [one head] described on the lion, [one] for the bear,
[one] for the fourth beast —but the third beast, the leopard, had [four heads]

—thus making seven heads in all!
And out of this great and dreadful fourth beast grew 10 horns!

“These great [beasts], which are four, are [four kings], which shall arise
out of the earth,” is the interpretation of verse 17.

-And the word king is synonymous with kingdom, and used only in the sense
that the king represents the kingdom over which he rules, for in verse 23 we read,

“The fourth beast shall be the fourth [kingdom] upon the earth .…” Notice also
the word kingdom is used to explain the beasts in verses 18, 22, 24 and 27.

-the “horns”
“And the ten [horns] out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise .…”

Notice the 10 horns, or 10 succeeding kingdoms or governments,
come out of a kingdom, not out of a man, or a superman. these 10 horns are 10
succeeding kingdoms growing out of the fourth kingdom, which was to rule the Earth!

-Daniel 2 Identification of the Kingdoms

These same four world-ruling Gentile kingdoms are described in the second chapter of Daniel.
King Nebuchadnezzar of the Chaldean Empire, who had taken the Jews captive, had a dream,
the meaning of which God revealed to Daniel.

The king saw a great image. Its head was of gold, its breast and arms of silver, its belly
and thighs of brass, its legs of iron and its feet and toes were part iron and part clay.

Finally, a stone, not in men’s hands, but supernaturally, smote the image upon his feet and toes.
It was broken in pieces and was blown away like chaff. Then the stone that smashed it became
a great mountain and filled the whole Earth.

“This,” Daniel says, beginning verse 36, “is the dream;
and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.”

“… Thou art this head of gold. And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,
and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and
subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise”

-the stone smashing the image at its toes is found in the 44th verse:

“And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never
be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces
and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.”

The Stone is Christ and His world-ruling Kingdom. The interpretation of the stone is given many
places in the Bible. “Jesus Christ of Nazareth … is the stone which was set at nought of you
builders, which is become the head of the corner” (Acts 4:10-11).

And so we see that here are four universal world-ruling Gentile kingdoms.
They begin with the Chaldean Empire, which took the Jews captive to Babylon.

-God had promised ancient Israel to be His nation if they obeyed and faithful, they would
grow into a multitude of nations—or an empire—that would dominate the entire Earth.

But, for disobedience they would have to be taken captive by Gentile nations, the world’s
first empire, God revealed through Daniel in chapter 2, it was God who had turned world
dominion over to this succession of Gentile empires.

-The Beasts

The first was Nebuchadnezzar’s kingdom, the Chaldean Empire, called “Babylon”
after the name of its capital city, 625-539 b.c.

37Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven
hath given thee (a kingdom), power, and strength, and glory.
38And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of
the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made (thee ruler over them all).

(Thou) art this head of gold.
#1 head of gold. Chaldean Empire. (626 BC-539 b.c)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Babylonian_Empire
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The second kingdom, which followed, then, we know from history, was the Persian Empire,
558-330 b.c., often called Medo-Persia, composed of Medes and Persians.

39And (after thee) shall arise another kingdom (inferior to thee),
and another third kingdom of brass, which shall (bear rule over all the earth).

-Daniel 5 , Belshazzar, Nebuchadnezzars son is now king.

27TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
28PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and (given) to (the Medes and Persians).


31And (Darius) the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darius_the_Mede

#2 breast and arms of silver -Medo-Persian Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire
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the third world kingdom was Greece, or Macedonia under Alexander the Great, who conquered
the great Persian Empire 333-330 b.c. But Alexander lived only a short year after his swift
conquest, and his [four generals divided] his vast empire into four regions:

Macedonia and Greece, Thrace and Western Asia, Syria and territory east to the Indus river,
and Egypt. So these were the [four heads] of the third beast of Daniel 7.

And the fourth kingdom, which, developing from Rome, spread out and gradually absorbed
one after another of these four divisions—“dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly,”
was the Roman Empire (31 b.c. to a.d. 476).

It had absorbed all the others, occupied all their territory, was greater and stronger than all.

The royal splendor of ancient Babylon, thus having the head—the strongest part of the lion.
It had all the massiveness and powerful army of the Persian Empire symbolized by the legs,
The swiftness, the cunning, the cruelty of Alexander’s army, symbolized by the leopard.

The fourth beast was unlike any wild beast of the Earth. stronger, greater, more terrible any.
-And so John, in Revelation 13, sees, not four beasts, but one beast.

Not a leopard, but like a leopard—possessing all its cunning, cruelty and speed.
But it also possessed the dominant characteristics of the two other most powerful beasts
—the feet of a bear, and the mouth of a lion. Daniel’s fourth beast, the Roman Empire,
had absorbed and therefore it included the three beasts before it.

Thus it included all seven heads. And John’s beast also has seven heads. It was Daniel’s
fourth beast, only, which had 10 horns, and John’s beast has 10 horns.

-And so, if we are willing to be guided solely by the Bible description of this “beast” and to let
the Bible interpret the symbols used to describe it, we come to the inevitable conclusion that
the beast of Revelation 13 is the Roman Empire, of 31 b.c. to a.d. 476!


Nebuchadnezzar’s image, by the two legs, describes the two divisions of the Roman Empire,
after a.d. 330: West, with capital at Rome, and East, with capital at Constantinople.

John also pictures this beast, not as a church or as an individual man, but as a powerful government
having a great army. For they worshiped the beast by saying, “Who is able to make war with him?”

-the Horns of the fourth beast of Daniel 7 and of the beast of Revelation 13.

The 10 horns symbolize the same thing—10 stages of government continuing out of the Roman
Empire. The 10 horns “out of this kingdom [the fourth—the Roman Empire, 31 b.c. to a.d. 476]
are ten kings that shall arise .

And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven
[not in heaven], shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High …” Daniel 7:24, 27

The 10 horns, then, are 10 kingdoms to arise out of the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire.

These kings, also called kingdoms, continue from a.d. 476 until the time when the stone,
Christ and His Kingdom, smashes the image on its toes, and the kingdom is given to the saints.
the kingdoms represented by the horns are successive, not contemporaneous.
 

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what do u guys think the fourth beast of daniel is?

i think its a revived roman empire of some sort its clearly pointing to that in the book of daniel. the description of the ffourth beast also matches perfectly with the description given in the book of revelation.

from gotquestions.org:

The Revived Roman Empire is commonly associated with the fourth beast of Daniel chapter 7. This beast is described as “terrifying and frightening and very powerful” (Daniel 7:7). This ten-horned beast is a prophetic picture of the Roman Empire (verses 19–24), but, as Daniel watches, a little horn rises from the beast, with “eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully” (verse 8). This final horn is the Antichrist, who will somehow be connected with the Roman Empire. Since the Roman Empire has been defunct since the fifth century, we expect it to be “revived” in some way to fulfill the end-times’ prophecies.

You keep using the word "revived",,,

Daniel looked at it, and continued to look at it while the little horn sprang up ect.ect. as if it came and would not go away(continued a longer length of time as if UN-expected) and then he ask at the end of the book of (Daniel 12;6 and Daniel 12:8),,,,

first :,,,"how long?"
and then ,, "what shall be the end?"

so it is not that he saw it as "revived" but rather as though it continued on and on and he could not understand when it would end...
 
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what do u guys think the fourth beast of daniel is?

i think its a revived roman empire of some sort its clearly pointing to that in the book of daniel. the description of the ffourth beast also matches perfectly with the description given in the book of revelation.

from gotquestions.org:

The Revived Roman Empire is commonly associated with the fourth beast of Daniel chapter 7. This beast is described as “terrifying and frightening and very powerful” (Daniel 7:7). This ten-horned beast is a prophetic picture of the Roman Empire (verses 19–24), but, as Daniel watches, a little horn rises from the beast, with “eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully” (verse 8). This final horn is the Antichrist, who will somehow be connected with the Roman Empire. Since the Roman Empire has been defunct since the fifth century, we expect it to be “revived” in some way to fulfill the end-times’ prophecies.
The 4th beast is not Islam,but the Roman Empire who has the dominion from their start until God puts them down.

The power was in Egypt first,and went to the Arab nations,which none of them will have physical dominion again,but the Roman Empire was the last to get the power,and they will have the dominion until God puts them down.

Dan 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms that would come up one after the other,and each was different than each other,which are the 4 ways of people,human religion,being physically cruel,human wisdom,and pushing for territory,world domination.

Although each kingdom operated by all 4 ways,there was one of those ways that were their chief mode of operation.

Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

The first is Babylon(Iraq),which represents human religion.They rode on eagle's wings for they had the revelation of the God of Israel,which king Nebuchadnezzar proclaimed throughout his kingdom to acknowledge the God of Israel,for He is the top God of the gods,but when he died and his son took the throne he knew what his father believed,and went against it,and the eagle's wings were plucked,lost the revelation of God,and became known as the kingdom of man.

Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

The second is Medo-Persia(Iran),which represents physical cruelty.The 3 ribs in the mouth of it might be the 3 kingdoms they conquered,Babylon,Lydia,Egypt.

Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

The third is Greece,which represents human wisdom.The 4 wings of a fowl might be they flew above the common nation in higher mathematics,science,medicine,and philosophy.The 4 heads,when Alexander the Great died his kingdom was split in to 4 sections,and a general ruled each section.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The fourth is the Roman Empire,and the ten horns is in the future,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and the little horn,the beast,man of sin,comes from the ten horns,the Roman Empire,which the prince to come will come from the people who overthrew Jerusalem which is the Roman Empire.

Some things to note.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

The first 3 beasts will never have physical dominion again,which is Iraq,and Iran,and no Arab nation will have dominion ever again.

But the Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down.

Babylon in Revelation is not physical Babylon,because they will never have dominion again,but their ways are still on earth,which they represent human religion,and the kingdom of man,and that is what the beast kingdom is,human religion,and the kingdom of man.

The dominion is the Roman Empire with the Babylonian spirit,not Babylon in dominion.

That is why the lion,Babylon,bear,Medo-Persia,and leopard,Greece,show up in Revelation,the beast kingdom,for they will not have dominion again,but their ways are still on earth,human religion,physical cruelty,and human wisdom,with the Roman Empire having the dominion.

Each of the 4 beasts operated by one of the 4 ways of people as their chief mode of operation,with the other 3 in a minor role.

But at the beast kingdom the 4 ways of people are in their chief mode of operation,with no minor role,the kingdom of man in its entirety.

The beast had ten horns,the chief mode of the Roman Empire,pushing for territory,world domination,which they shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces.

With the ways of a lion,Babylon,their chief mode of operation,human religion,and they became the kingdom of man.

With the ways of a leopard,Greece,their chief mode of operation,human wisdom.

With the ways of a bear,Medo-Persia,their chief mode of operation,physical cruelty,to take away everybody from off the planet,that does not accept the beast kingdom.

Babylon,Medo-Persia,Greece,and the Roman Empire of old,was not the kingdom of man in its entirety,but all their chief modes of operation are in the beast kingdom,the kingdom of man in its entirety.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The fourth beast shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,which the beast has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues.

Now who is actually going to say that Islam is going to do that with the Europe,and United States power,and throw in the Asian people also,like China.

Islam's god Allah is false,so there is no power on their side,and they are actually going to be able to rise above everyone else,with Europe,and America,and their nuclear weapons,and other serious weapons,and then you have China,and the Asian nations,and Islam is going to be able to overcome all that and devour the whole earth,and tread it down,and break it in pieces.

The fourth beast in the future is not some little entity that takes over a small part of the world,but they take over all the world,and Islam is not going to be able to pull that off especially since they are losing power with America messing with them.

Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

The Roman Empire has the dominion until God puts them down,and then the saints shall take over the earth.

Who has the big power now,and America is part of the Roman Empire,which America,and Europe will join together,and be the power base of the beast,which will pull all nations together.

But the religion of Islam will rebel,for they believe in a personal God,and get the crap kicked out of them with nuclear weapons,plucked up by the roots,where they have no more power,or growth.

So where is their devouring the earth,for they will not do anything,for they will obtain no physical dominion,for Daniel said they will never have physical dominion again,but the Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down,and the saints possess the kingdom.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world

The new age movement will be the belief of the world in the future,who have a false interpretation of the Bible,which is spiritual evolution through nature,and all other beliefs will not be tolerated,which will be a hate crime to try to convert someone to their religion punishable in the international criminal court system,which is why Islam rebels,and they are conquered before the beast kingdom is accepted,so they sure cannot be the beast kingdom,if they fall before the beast kingdom is accepted.

The man of sin will support the new age movement,and it will pave the way to the beast kingdom,that does not acknowledge any God,for the Bible says the last king will not regard any god,but the religion of Islam acknowledges a God,so again that is why they rebel.

The beast kingdom does not acknowledge any God,none at all,so how can the beast kingdom be the religion of Islam,which once again that is why Islam rebels,and gets defeated.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world,and will pave the way to the beast kingdom,and who is the new age movement popular with,Europe,America,Canada,and the Caucasians,and Islam wants nothing to do with the new age movement that is spiritual evolution through nature.Asians would be more accepting of the new age movement than Islam.

So how can the beast kingdom be the religion of Islam,for it is not.

There is no way they will devour the whole earth,and tread it down,and break it in pieces,as if they could have that much power,and are being hassled by America,and losing power.

But America and Europe together,and all Caucasian led nations as the power base of the beast,will have power a plenty.

And they would never accept the new age movement,which will pave the way to the beast kingdom.

But it is Europe,and America,the Caucasians that are interested in that.

Why.Because the Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down,and the saints possess the kingdom,so they have the power to put a whooping on nations with their modern day weapons,and the new age movement is popular with them.

Islam,Smislam,and they will be hurt with a devastating hurt before the beast kingdom is accepted,for the man of sin wants them crippled beforehand because of their belief in a personal God,what his face,oh yah,Allah.Then the beast will go after the Christians because of their belief in a personal God,and Jesus the Savior,and then he will go after the Jews for their belief in a personal God,and God turned them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,but that is when God said His fury shall come up in His face and He shall put them down.

The fourth beast is the Roman Empire,which it is the sequel,the Roman Empire strikes back,coming to a local world near you.
 

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Rome still lives today, The Roman catholic church. Rose up after the break up of Rome and received the power of a Roman emperor official through the emperor Justinian after the three Germanic Tribes were taken out of the way in 538, The Roman Catholic church then grew in power and held that power until 1260 years later in 1798 when under the direction of Napoleon who sent His General Berthier who took the Pope Captive and broke the power of the Church. This is the time, times and half a time. Which is 42 Jewish months of 1260 days.

Revelation warns that this same power would rise again at the end, Daniel does also in Daniel 11.
 

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"This ten-horned beast is a prophetic picture of the Roman Empire..." Quoted from Got Questions
That should have really said This ten-horned beast is a prophetic picture of the REVIVED Roman Empire...

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

When we take all of Daniel's visions and harmonize them the fourth beast represents the Roman Empire (the legs of iron). But the ten horns come out of the feet of iron and clay.

According to historian Edward Gibbon, the Roman Empire ended in A.D. 476. But Europe continued to exist under various rulers, and still exists. However, when the Antichrist takes full control of this world for 3 1/2 years, there will be ten political entities from what may be called "the Revived Roman Empire) who will work hand in hand with the Antichrist (the Little Horn of Daniel). Those are the ten horns (a horn represents earthy power, generally the power of a king).
 
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I believe the antichrist is pope.
antichrist went out from us but not of us

mean look like Christian but not.

Muslim not went out of us, they not look like Christian.

1 john 2but they were not of

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
 
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what do u guys think the fourth beast of daniel is?

i think its a revived roman empire of some sort its clearly pointing to that in the book of daniel. the description of the ffourth beast also matches perfectly with the description given in the book of revelation.

from gotquestions.org:

The Revived Roman Empire is commonly associated with the fourth beast of Daniel chapter 7. This beast is described as “terrifying and frightening and very powerful” (Daniel 7:7). This ten-horned beast is a prophetic picture of the Roman Empire (verses 19–24), but, as Daniel watches, a little horn rises from the beast, with “eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully” (verse 8). This final horn is the Antichrist, who will somehow be connected with the Roman Empire. Since the Roman Empire has been defunct since the fifth century, we expect it to be “revived” in some way to fulfill the end-times’ prophecies.
I will tell you about the four beast of Dan.7 but most people won't believe. verse 2 the four winds always mean the end of the world and the sea means people.
verse 4 the first beast was like a lion, the lion represent the christian nations.
verse 5 the second beast is like to a bear, thats Russia, the communist nations.
Verse 6 the third beast is like a leopard, that is the kenite, those that call themselves Jews but are not, this beast had four heads and dominion was given to it, those four heads are economy, finance, politics and religion, there running the world now and people dont kow it.
verse 7 the fourth beast dreadful and terrible and diverse from all the beast are the fallen angels that will come down from the pit and form the one world Gov. the ten horns are ten kings appointed by satan, the little horn that will come out in the middle of the week will be satan claiming to be Christ, those ten kings are fallen angels, they will devour spiritually, they will come in peaceably and will kill spiritually by deception. don't be deceived. God bless
 
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Catholic catechism

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[SUP]330[/SUP]
can someone check if this is really in the catchecism? this is 100% of the devil
 

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can someone check if this is really in the catchecism? this is 100% of the devil
Looked up Catholic catechism 841 and i saw it in a few places and yeah it is saying what has been reported here in this thread. People should not really be surprised..

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