fourth beast of daniel

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louis

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In Daniel 7 we have the description of four separate beasts, lion (Daniel 7:4), bear (Daniel 7:5), leapord (Daniel 7:6), and the fourth beast with great iron teeth and having ten horns (Daniel 7:7).
In Revelation 13 we have a single beast with ten horns, that is assimilated with the first three beasts (Revelation 13:2).
These are separate entities/nations in Daniel, but are all one in Revelation 13, thereby denoting the one world system that shall arise from the sea.

Daniel 7:4 [FONT=&quot]The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
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5 [FONT=&quot]And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
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6 [FONT=&quot]After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
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7 [FONT=&quot]After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.[/FONT]

Revelation 13:1 [FONT=&quot]And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.[/FONT]
2 [FONT=&quot]And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.[/FONT]
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The fourth beast is separated into two parts.

He is seen in Dan 2, Dan 7, and revelations

I did a thread on the 4 beasts of daniel awhile ago. But here is a point I made about the final beast.

So we see from these two accounts, the following which is identical with the little horn and the beast.

1. A power of ten kingdoms will unite and form a kingdom which has come out of Rome (Dan 2: 41, Dan 7: 7, 24, Rev 17: 12-13)
2. A little horn, or beast, will come out from among these ten (Dan 7:8, Rev 17: 12)
3. Will gain control of the whole earth (Dan 7: 23, Rev 7: 7)
4. Will be given power for 3 ½ years (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13:5)
5. Will speak blasphemies (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13: 5)
6. Will make war with the saints of God, and given permission by God to do so (Dan 7: 21, Rev 13: 7)
7. God puts and end to his reign by defeating him (Dan 2: 45, Dan 7: 11, 22, 26, Rev 19: 20)
8. Will is cast into fire (Dan 7: 11, Rev 19: 20)

We can also find other things in these passages, and use other passages in scripture to show what is done by him, and when this will be.

In dan 2, we are told he will “intend to change times and laws” The Aramaic word for time can mean to make an agreement for a specific period of time. In Dan 9, we are told of a future prince of Rome who will confirm a covenant for 1 week. (time) In Rev, we are told this beast will change a law, for the first time in the history of the world, the worlds economy will be empowered by one man (can not buy or sell unless they have the mark of the beast)

In dan 7, we are told he will blaspheme the tabernacle, In dan 9, we are told he will commit the abomination of desolation, as also mentioned of as going to happen by Christ himself in matt 24, right before the great tribulation starts.

In all accounts, we are told he will be personally defeated by Christ himself, In matt 24 we are told why, Unless Christ himself comes. NO FLESH will survive this causes him to return to earth with his armies, and personally defeat the beast, putting an end to the “time or age of the

And finally, in all accounts, After this defeat of the gentile kingdoms, Christ sets up his kingdom on earth, which will be an everlasting kingdom which will never be destroyed. We are told in rev, during this time, Satan will be bound for 1000 years. At the end, he will make one final attempt to defeat the lamb, but will be destroyed before it even gets off its feet, and then the heavenas and earth will be destroyed, and a new one established, after all evil is judged (great white throne) and all Gods children are given a new heaven and earth.

As I mentioned earlier. All of these accounts show a "prophetic gap" which is infered between the end of the 4th beast (rome) and the re-establishment of the beast in latter times. Here is the further proof I said I would show.

1. World dominion (over every tribe, language and nation) no world power up to this date has ever held dominion over every nation tribe and language
2. Holds power over worlds finances, again, no world power has ever held, nor have the ever held the capacity to hold power over the financial markets of the entire world so that he can say who is able to purchase or sell goods, meaning all forms of money (gold and silver, paper money, are made obsolite) in fact, until recently with the advent of computers has this even been possible
3. Military might with destructive power capable of destroying all life (flesh) on earth, Again, until the past 100 years, this was not even possible)
4. The restoration of the woman (Isreal) and the temple in Isreal. Rev tells us this world leader, and these events (which I just proved could not have even been possible until the past 100 years, and has not happened yet) would go after the woman (Isreal) but that she will be protected supernaturally By God, and causes him to turn after her offspring (the church) Thus Isreal would have to have been re-established as a nation. It also tells us he will blaspheme God and his tabernacle by commiting the abomination of desolation, Which means not only will the nation have to be re-established, but the temple rebuilt. OT Scripture makes it clear, one day God will restor Isreal to her land and give life to it (dry bones) that during this time, there will be a time of Great troube (Jacobs trouble or great tribulation) such as never been seen before or after (will make AD70, WW2 and other great wars and tribulations look like a walk in the park) and God will use these events to put and end to the age of the gentiles, at which time, "All Isreal will be saved" as they repent and turn to their true God, and renounce all the false God they have been worshiping. Again, up until recent history, no nation has suffered total military defeat, her people spread throughout the world so no resemblance of them is found, and then been restored to her land, Isreal is the first nation in the history of mankind to have this happen (show me where the edomites, the hittites, the canaanites have been restored?)
 

Musicus

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Catholic catechism

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[SUP]330[/SUP]
This really is in the CC, but I don't think it means what it appears. I'm not sure why you posted this, but if you read the next sections it's about recognizing other religions in the sense that it somehow prepares them for salvation in Christ. I'm not catholic so I don't really get the logic.
 

Nehemiah6

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This really is in the CC, but I don't think it means what it appears. I'm not sure why you posted this, but if you read the next sections it's about recognizing other religions in the sense that it somehow prepares them for salvation in Christ. I'm not catholic so I don't really get the logic.
In the CCC, you can read the entire section titled "The Church and Non-Christians" (839 to 845) and all of it is FALSE. To equate the triune Godhead of the Bible with Allah of the Koran means that either (a) the RCC is deliberately deceiving its adherents or (b) it is deliberately compromising God's truth for a political agenda. The Koran itself emphatically denies the Holy Trinity and the Deity of Christ, so the RCC is being thoroughly deceptive.

There is no question that when the final Antichrist along with Satan takes full control of this world then the RCC will fully cooperate with him. Many claim that the Antichrist will be a Muslim, but that cannot be. He comes IN PLACE OF Christ, therefore he must be a renegade Jew who can walk into the Jewish temple (of that time) and claim that he is Christ and God. But he will also fool the Muslims, and perhaps th False Prophet will claim to be the Mahdi expected by the Muslims.