Verse for "once saved always saved"?

[breno785au]

Many times in my heart I have prayed, Father, my many sins are before me, sometimes it's all I can see. But if I were to die right now and You were to ask me, why should you deserve to spend eternity with Me? I would point to You and say because Jesus paid the penalty. There is NO other reason. There is No other way!

 

[Mercy4u]

Many times in my heart I have prayed, Father, my many sins are before me, sometimes it's all I can see. But if I were to die right now and You were to ask me, why should you deserve to spend eternity with Me? I would point to You and say because Jesus paid the penalty. There is NO other reason. There is No other way!

We live in His victory. Not ours.

It is quite obvious to all who try's to live in their own victory.

Being brutally honest with ourselves...hands the victory to Him. We fail in our actions,thoughts and motives ALL the time.

 

[Sagart]

Muslims do NOT know that they have eternal life. They strive for it.

How well do you actually know the Muslims in your life?

no especially with modern helps.

Ludicrous nonsense!

The fathers reveal quite clearly that they misunderstood Paul. Just as you do,

They understood what the New Testament says about Paul rather than the foolishness that you have written about him.

 

[Sagart]

The things of God are foolishness to those who are not his, His wisdom is not our wisdom.

It is in there, Whether you can see it or not does not matter,. What matters is that it is there. Look at history, even in the time of Isreal. The few and I mean the few had truth, the masses had religion. The churhc was no better.

Oh, I see! The men that God chose to use to formalize the doctrine of the Trinity were blind unbelievers who had not the truth; and the men that God chose to use to establish the New Testament Canon were more blind unbelievers who had not the truth; and God chose you to tell everyone how stupid they are!

 

[Sagart]

Muslims do not believe in eternal life. So your basic premise is flawed.

They do if they believe the Qur’an and the Hadith!

 

[Sagart]

The scripture is only clear to those who are actually Saved.

Oh, the men whom God chose to use to formalize the doctrine of the Trinity were blind unbelievers; and the men whom God chose to use to establish the New Testament Canon were more blind unbelievers!

Some people are so extremely desperate to believe the absurd and ridiculously unbiblical doctrine of OSAS that they will believe any nonsense that the devil himself can put before them.

The Lord Jesus Christ taught OSAS. It is clear.

For 1500 hundred years, it was clear as crystal to all believers that Jesus did NOT teach OSAS, and since then it has been as clear as crystal to the very large majority of believers in Christ and His word!

Paul taught OSAS. It is clear.

Yes, OSAS is so clear that it was invisible until the 16th century when a renegade Roman Catholic politician named Jehan Cauvin (John Calvin) and his cronies came onto the scene and concocted the doctrine like an aborigine witchdoctor concocts his enchantments!

Augustine understood OSAS. When was he born?

Believers in OSAS are so desperate to name so much as a single man who believed in the doctrine of OSAS before the 16th Century that they drag in to mire the name of Saint Augustine, the Bishop of Hippo, who was born on November 12, 354, and who most certainly is not believe in OSAS!

Eternal security is pagan in its origin and is a thought that is in opposition to the Bible and genuine Christianity. Its lineage cannot be traced back but a few hundred years where it draws its inspiration from the "perseverance of the Saints" which in turn was drawn from Augustine's introduction of Gnostic and Buddhist thought into the Church. Eternal Security has a history, but not a very good one for the Christian who knows its origin.
May God save us from its falsehood.

JEFF PATON​

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:36, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of Yah you may receive what is promised.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:12, "Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him."


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[Sagart]

Obviously, it's you who has a severe lack of understanding of the Bible. What understanding of 1 John 5:13 and I severely lacking? In 1 John 5:13 we read - These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. Are you calling God a liar?

11. καὶ αὕτη ἐστὶν ἡ μαρτυρία, ὅτι ζωὴν αἰώνιον ἔδωκεν ἡμῖν ὁ θεός, καὶ αὕτη ἡ ζωὴ ἐν τῷ υἱῷ αὐτοῦ ἐστιν. 12. ὁ ἔχων τὸν υἱὸν ἔχει τὴν ζωήν· ὁ μὴ ἔχων τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ θεοῦ τὴν ζωὴν οὐκ ἔχει. 13. Ταῦτα ἔγραψα ὑμῖν, ἵνα εἰδῆτε ὅτι ζωὴν ἔχετε αἰώνιον, τοῖς πιστεύουσιν εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ θεοῦ.

I am not calling God a liar, but I consider all men foolish who ignore the Greek New Testament and base their interpretation of the Bible upon English translations that they are not able to correctly understand.

Does the Islamic system of salvation really provide assurance of salvation for Muslims? As a Christian, I don't see how anyone in Islam can have security and honest expectation of obtaining eternal life, but they may have misguided hopes.

Yes! Yes, it does if they believe that they are being submissive to Allah.

In 1 Corinthians 2:11-14, we read - 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Christians representing hundreds of different Christian denominations that teach every imaginable wind of doctrine each claim that their doctrine is the true doctrine because they have been taught by the Holy Spirit—when in fact they have given into their own personal lusts and desires and have no respect whatsoever for the truth!

 

[valiant]

Eternal security is pagan in its origin and is a thought that is in opposition to the Bible and genuine Christianity. Its lineage cannot be traced back but a few hundred years where it draws its inspiration from the "perseverance of the Saints" which in turn was drawn from Augustine's introduction of Gnostic and Buddhist thought into the Church. Eternal Security has a history, but not a very good one for the Christian who knows its origin.
May God save us from its falsehood.

JEFF PATON​

oh well if Jeff Paton says it, that settles it. We can forget what Jesus said (Jon 6.39).

Who is he by the way?

 

[valiant]

13. Ταῦτα ἔγραψα ὑμῖν, ἵνα εἰδῆτε ὅτι ζωὴν ἔχετε αἰώνιον, τοῖς πιστεύουσιν εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ θεοῦ.

'These are written to you that you may KNOW that you HAVE eternal life, those of you who believe in the name of the Son of God'.

Its pretty clear really,

I am not calling God a liar, but I consider all men foolish who ignore the Greek New Testament and base their interpretation of the Bible upon English translations that they are not able to correctly understand.

well I base mine on the Greek, but I translate it for YOU.

Yes! Yes, it does if they believe that they are being submissive to Allah.

including the murder of all who don't believe in Allah.

Christians representing hundreds of different Christian denominations that teach every imaginable wind of doctrine each claim that their doctrine is the true doctrine because they have been taught by the Holy Spirit—when in fact they have given into their own personal lusts and desires and have no respect whatsoever for the truth!

Well that one verse says it all.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They do if they believe the Qur’an and the Hadith!

Excuse me, But faith based Christianity is the only religion on earth that teaches eternal life. All other religions, including Islam,Judaism, and many christian theologies, teach salvation is earned or maintained by works. Meaning it is not ETERNAL. But it is CONDITIONAL.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh, I see! The men that God chose to use to formalize the doctrine of the Trinity were blind unbelievers who had not the truth; and the men that God chose to use to establish the New Testament Canon were more blind unbelievers who had not the truth; and God chose you to tell everyone how stupid they are!

No one has to tell you that, You pretty much prove it..

 

[DJ2]

Oh, I understand the question quite well.

You are avoiding the answer.

Let me tell you this, if you do not know the one time then there is a problem

Let me tell you this, if you do not know the one time then there is a problem

We all think we "know" at "one time" but realize later that we did not "know" as much as we thought we "knew".

Except OSAS believers, of course. There assurance is unquestionable. This time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We all think we "know" at "one time" but realize later that we did not "know" as much as we thought we "knew".

Except OSAS believers, of course. There assurance is unquestionable. This time.

Yeah yeah, We are to be pitied because we trust Christ, and not self.

Thats why we have assurance my friend.. Because our faith is in Christ. And the cross..

 

[Bogadile]

We all think we "know" at "one time" but realize later that we did not "know" as much as we thought we "knew".

Except OSAS believers, of course. There assurance is unquestionable. This time.

Pentecostals have assurance of salvation despite not believing in OSAS. The two are not mutually exclusive. You can have assurance of salvation.

 

[mailmandan]

Yeah yeah, We are to be pitied because we trust Christ, and not self.

Thats why we have assurance my friend.. Because our faith is in Christ. And the cross..

Amen! Faith is only as good as the OBJECT that we place it in. Genuine believers have assurance of salvation because they have placed their faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Christ alone for salvation and Jesus Christ is the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. His finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed.

 

[DJ2]

Yeah yeah, We are to be pitied because we trust Christ, and not self.

Thats why we have assurance my friend.. Because our faith is in Christ. And the cross..

faith is in Christ. And the cross.

Whats this faith in Christ plus "the cross"?

Is the "cross" a peculiar aspect of faith that must also be accepted or can I just have faith in Christ alone?

It seems this trust only theology is more work then it first appears.

 

[notuptome]

Pentecostals have assurance of salvation despite not believing in OSAS. The two are not mutually exclusive. You can have assurance of salvation.

You are not making sense. How can one be assured they are saved and then lose it? Hebrews warns that if it were possible to lose salvation then it would be impossible to have it restored.

If Pentecostals view the presence of the "gifts" as validation of salvation then they would be trusting in something other than Christ.

When scripture says we have the witness of His Spirit with our spirit as the means of knowing we are His this is not an external assurance but an internal assurance.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Bogadile]

You are not making sense. How can one be assured they are saved and then lose it? Hebrews warns that if it were possible to lose salvation then it would be impossible to have it restored.

If Pentecostals view the presence of the "gifts" as validation of salvation then they would be trusting in something other than Christ.

When scripture says we have the witness of His Spirit with our spirit as the means of knowing we are His this is not an external assurance but an internal assurance.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I am making perfect sense, I am not pentecostal myself.

But they have assurance of salvation when they have their faith in Christ and are not living in willful sin.

 

[notuptome]

I am making perfect sense, I am not pentecostal myself.

But they have assurance of salvation when they have their faith in Christ and are not living in willful sin.

So you are simply speculating as to what the Pentecostals are doing. That makes sense. It's meaningless but understandable.

For the cause of Christ
Roger