GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

LoveGodForever · Dec 9, 2017

Hello Brother Jackson,

It is not because of the spelling it is the CONTEXT and placement of the word use. For example if Sabbaton is used with day it means singular if it is used with days it is plural day=1 and days = more than one. There are more than one "special" annual festival Sabbaths that can fall on any day of the week in Leviticus 23. These include the.............

(1) Feast of Trumpets (Lev 23:24),
(2) Day of Atonement (Lev 23:37-32)
(3) Feast of Tabernacles (Lev 23:39)

see more then one so it is plural....... Sabbaths or Sabbath days

this is the context of Col 2:16

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks u s not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

stillness · Dec 9, 2017

Love God forever, am touch that we could agree, about walking in the Light we have to get more light..
Do you remember the rich man who went away sorrowful, because he had great positions, after saying that he had kept all these commandments, 5 that Jesus mentioned, from His youth until then. Then "If you want to be perfect, go sell all that you have, give to the poor and follow me." Had he obeyed, he would have obeyed the 2 commandments That Jesus said on these hang all the Law and the prophets. I should also mention that I don't claim to know, but learning not to lean on my understanding. Also the disciples only followed in their understanding and could not follow after the Spirit: past their understanding until after receiving the Holy Spirit. So that When Jesus said "Follow me" It's about following in His suffering and death. so 5 + 2 + 3 days of rebuilding maybe my math needs help but the Sabbath rest could be in His death. I believe it is.

Jackson123 · Dec 9, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Brother LGF.

If I understand correctly what you say,

yearly sabbath and weekly sabbath spell the same think.

you believe colosians 2 is yearly sabbath not because spelling but context.

you believe If people worship God oN sunday break 4th commandment.

that what I believe.

since sabbath can mean weekly sabbath or yearly sabbath, so I believe colosians 2 mean both yearly and weekly

on worship on sunday, I believe not always mean break4th commandment, because I believe NT teach we rest oN Jesus, we worship Jesus every day.

worship only sunday or only saturday, to me It is break God law.

10 commandment say do not commit adultery, NT say, If you lust a women that is not your wife, your commit adultery

so physical oN the OT shifted to spiritual in the NT

why we go to church oN saturday If in daily life we are a killer, did the fact we go to church oN saturday make me not break the 4th commandment?

stillness · Dec 9, 2017

Just occurred that in following Jesus would also fulfil "A New commandment I give to you that you Love one another; As I have Loved you, that you also love one another." Following in His suffering, and identified in His death and resurrection, entering into His rest.
As long as we don't think we know we keep learning. And "If I have knowledge without Love, I am nothing."

trofimus · Dec 9, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

You cannot follow all His words without a tradition of men, today.

Even your Bible is given to you by a tradition of men, the main Church selected the books, the main Church preserved the text, the main Church made the translation you use. Even your loved Old Testament is given to you by men, if you have not got it falling from heaven.

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Sorry, but If you believe you are saved by following all words of God, you must also believe that these words were given perfectly to you by men.
If there is a slight difference in one sentence, you are following wrong and therefore, where is your salvation?

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But you can be calm, you just do not understand gospel. Its not that you must follow everything. Its that you can rest with your deeds, Jesus did it for you. Now you can follow Him according to your best effort, but not to be saved, but because you are saved.

lightbearer · Dec 9, 2017

trofimus said:

Your Bible?

Ok?

So the church selected the books and GOD had nothing to do with it?

It was all through the tradition of men?

Let me guess; you are of the discipline to which says, certain letters in it shouldn't be?

trofimus · Dec 9, 2017

lightbearer said:

Your Bible too. Did it fall from heaven as a mana to your hands? If you bought it, sorry, many men had something to do with it.

But be calm, its not the gospel to have everything perfect. The gospel is that Christ died and paid for you, so that you can REST.

lightbearer · Dec 9, 2017

trofimus said:

No it fell down like the Manna into other's hearts and minds and they shared as they were moved.

I don't know everything to which you mean by, "to have everything perfect". But if your stating that the Bible is not then I agree. Hundreds of years of transcribing and translating has made it thus. But the original letters and books were when GOD moved those to whom they were given.

In the resurrection in righteousness and true holiness in and through Him.
For we are dead nevertheless we live, yet not us, but Christ liveth in us. And the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith of the Son of GOD who gave himself for us.

No longer under the Schoolmaster!

For HIS Word; Christ; the Law; GOD's Commandments have been placed in our hearts and in our minds that we do it. Christ in us the hope of Glory; GOD. Not of the letter; for the letter killeth!

Written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; For God leadeth us to repentance and it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

mailmandan · Dec 9, 2017

Muzungu256 said:

There is only one gospel in this dispensation and in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul clearly states: 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.

In Ephesians 3:1-9, Paul clearly states: Ephesians 3:1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ.

This is the "good news" that the apostle Paul preached after the cross, which does not share the exact same content as the "good news" that the twelve, John the Baptist, and Jesus Christ were preaching before the cross. Yet, they were still preaching the "good news" of the kingdom to Israel.

If the gospel of the kingdom, prior to the cross has the exact same content as the gospel of grace after the cross, then Matthew 10:5-7; 16:21-22; Mark 16:14; Luke 18:31-34; 24:19-24, 44-47, along with Ephesians 3:1-9 is superfluous. Before the cross, the gospel of grace that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery.

In Galatians 1:6-9, we see that false teachers were troubling the Galatians and were perverting the gospel that Paul received from Christ by revelation. The Judaizers' perverted the gospel by "adding" requirements (laws) from the Old Covenant as necessary prerequisites to salvation and we have misguided, modern day Judaizers' today who pervert the gospel by "adding" requirements from the OT law, which results in salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works. Paul refers to this as a "different" gospel, which is no good news at all!

I have explained numerous times on CC that the gospel which Paul preached is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To BELIEVE the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, yet sadly, the gospel continues to be perverted today by works-salvationists, such as Roman Catholics, Mormons, SDA's and misguided, modern day teachers of the law in general.

valiant · Dec 9, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

'New moons and Sabbaths' would naturally mean the regular new moons every month and the Sabbaths every week. It is only because it is inconvenient that you reject it.

But they are not the regular Sabbaths,

These include the.............

wow, so it is plural

but where do new moons fit in? It means the regular Sabbath days That is plural too LOL

this is the context of Col 2:16

Yes the ten words given to Israel in His covenant with them. But the Sabbath is never included in the commands given in the New Testament. Isn't that strange if God intended it to be continually observed? LOL you would have included it everywhere.

James doesn't mention the Sabbath either.

you have this verse out of context. It refers to wilfull sin not to observing the Sabbath, and it warn that offerings and sacrifices are no longer available for such sin.

Galatians 3.17 say it was temporary. And the New Testament knows NOTHING of it.

We are not commanded to worship on any particular day. But we KNOW that the early church worshipped on the 1st day of the week (Acts 20.7)

Here we go again!!!!!!! So Acts 20.7. 'WHEN the disciples came together to break bread' was a tradition of men???

Believe the Word of God not Hebrew roots,

LoveGodForever · Dec 9, 2017

mailmandan said:

Hello MMD,

If you do not know what the Gospel is how can you know the Word of God? If you do not know the Word of God how can you preach it to others. If the blind shall lead the blind won't they both fall into a ditch? From a previous post. No one is saying that what you have posted above is a part of the Gospel my friend you seem to be now building a paper dragon or a strawman argument that no one is arguing about. If there is no disagreement with the scriptures you have posted then there is no argument as everyone is in agreement.

However where you have fallen down and digging a deep hole for yourself is that you claim that only the death, burial and resurrection is the Gospel despite all the scripture shared with you earlier showing you that the Gospel is JESUS and JESUS is EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD and it is ALL of God's WORD that we are to LIVE BY and have LIFE. Only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD are his disciples. IF you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW Him (the WORD) then you are still in your SINS and have not SEEN him or KNOW HIM (Mark 1:1; John 1:1-14; John 17:17; John 14:6; Matthew 3:16-21; Matthew 4:4; John 8:31-36; Hebrews 10:26-27)

You fail to take a hold of the word meaning of Gospel which is good news and yet in your earlier post admit that there is more then one application for the use of the word Gospel. The Gospel in indeed the Word of God and we are to BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF IT (Matthew 4:4).

The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE.

John 3
16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVES <the WORD> in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17, For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18, He that BELIEVES ON HIM <the WORD> is not condemned: but he that BELIEVES NOT <the WORD> is condemned already, because he hath not BELIEVED IN THE NAME <the WORD is SAVIOR John 1:29> of the only begotten Son of God.
19, And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20, For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21, But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

mailmandan said:

Now MMD, if you do not know what the Gospel is how can you claim to have an understanding of what the true Gospel is? If you do not know God's Word as said above how can you know or share it with others? If the blind shall lead the blind will they not both fall into a ditch? Now you seem desperate to now attack the messengers because you cannot attack the message although this is to be expected if you do not know God's Word.

Now please show me where anyone here has told anyone that they are saved by the works of the law? If you cannot are you not saying things that are not true about others and bearing false witness (Exodus 20:16)? The Gospel is perverted by some this is true. It is perverted by those that do not know the Gospel or the Word of God.

These same people try to separate God's LAW from the cross. Yet it is only through the LAW of GOD that anyone can find Jesus. If you have NO LAW then you have no way to know what SIN is. If you do NOT KNOW what SIN is you have NO NEED of a Savior. If you have NO Savior you have no SALVATION. If you have no salvation then you are LOST.

We are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of OURSELVES it is a GIFT OF GOD and not of WORKS Lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8)

It's never been about following the law for salvation, its always been about following Christ (the WORD) by faith through love alone. Faith that works by love is what fulfills God's Law in those that walk in His Spirit (Romans 13:8-10).

Obedience is only the fruit of faith and a sign that someone is genuinely following God's Word (Matthew 7:17-27). If you seek obedience without faith you will never attain it because this is the gift of God written on the heart (Ephesians 2:8; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 8:10-12).

But if you believe God's Word, your faith will be counted for righteousness in God's eyes (Romans 1:17; Philippians 3:9). If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience (God's work in you) than you are still in your sins and have not seen him or known him and your faith is dead (Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-9).

What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom. If you profess to have saving FAITH but your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Word then your faith is DEAD and you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE all as he first LOVED us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those who walk by FAITH in God's Spirit. (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 7:13-20)

There are only two classes of people spoken about in God's Word. These are those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

LoveGodForever · Dec 9, 2017

Hello Brother Jackson,

Quick comments for you in blue.....

Jackson123 said:

Brother LGF.

If I understand correctly what you say, yearly sabbath and weekly sabbath spell the same think.

No they weekly Sabbath in Hebrew has different spellings..........

(1) Genesis 2:1-3 REST is ROOT word for Sabbath is שׁבת; shâbath shaw-bath' (H7673 STRONG'S)

(2) Exodus 20:8-11 7th DAY Sabbath commandment is שׁבּת; shabbâth shab-bawth' (H7676 STRONG'S)
Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath.

(3) Leviticus 23: 24; 32; 39 "special" annual Sabbath is שׁבּתון shabbâthôn shab-baw-thone' From H7676; a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath.

you believe colosians 2 is yearly sabbath not because spelling but context.

The CONTEXT in the CHAPTER is talking about the Mosaic laws for remission of sin that pointed to Jesus being finished at the cross from the book of Moses. The within SCRIPTURE CONTEXT of v16 is talking about the annual feast days with the 1. Meat and Drink Offerings, New Moons, annual Festivals and "special" Sabbaths or Sabbath days (plural)

you believe If people worship God oN sunday break 4th commandment.

No I do not believe if people worship God on Sunday they break God's 4th commandment. We should worship God everyday but if you knowingly break God's 4th commandment by not keeping the 7th day a Holy day and rest from work according to the God's 4th commandment you commit SIN and it is SIN that will keep you out of God's Kingdom.

since sabbath can mean weekly sabbath or yearly sabbath, so I believe colosians 2 mean both yearly and weekly

Col 2 is not talking about God's 4th commandment it is talking about the "special" annual festival Sabbaths of the Mosaic law as has already been shown to you with many scriptures. It does not mean both yearly and weekly as the CONTEXT of CHAPTER and SCRIPTURE is the Mosaic laws written in the book NOT the 10 commandment written on stone.

on worship on sunday, I believe not always mean break4th commandment, because I believe NT teach we rest oN Jesus, we worship Jesus every day.

We can worship God everyday but God commands us to REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY to keep it a HOLY DAY. If we are NOT BELIEVING God's WORD and not FOLLOWING GOD we are still in our SINS and NOT resting in HIM.

worship only sunday or only saturday, to me It is break God law. 10 commandment say do not commit adultery, NT say, If you lust a women that is not your wife, your commit adultery so physical oN the OT shifted to spiritual in the NT

This is partially correct but your interpretation is not correct. We indeed need to follow God from the heart. The NEW Testament is God's LAW written in the HEART through LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of God's Law in those who walk by FAITH in HIS WORD. Now if you love GOD you will not commit adultery in your HEART because God asks you not to and you believe HIS Word and by FAITH resist temptation and claim God's promises not to commit adultery in your heart. This is expressed with not committing ADULTERY in physical action right? This is the same with God's 4th commandment we through FAITH that works by LOVE choose to REMEMBER the SABBATH day to KEEP it a HOLY DAY because GOD has commanded us to as a MEMORIAL of CREATION on the 7th DAY of the WEEK.

If you break any of God's commandments you stand guilty before God of committing SIN. It is SIN that will keep all practicing it OUT of God's Kingdom. There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

LoveGodForever · Dec 9, 2017

UnderGrace said:

Now UG,

Who is saying, believing or telling others that they are trying to be sinless by their own efforts? Is choosing to have FAITH an effort? You SINS are only FORGIVEN if you have REPENTED OF THEM and BELIEVE and you CONTINUE TO BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. SIN will keep all practicing it OUT of GOD'S Kingdom.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks u s not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

valiant · Dec 9, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Now UG,

Who is saying, believing or telling others that they are trying to be sinless by their own efforts? Is choosing to have FAITH an effort? You SINS are only FORGIVEN if you have REPENTED OF THEM and BELIEVE and you CONTINUE TO BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. SIN will keep all practicing it OUT of GOD'S Kingdom.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks u s not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

do you continually repeat yourself like a record so that in the end someone might believe you?

you repeat exactly the same words again and again by cut and paste. It was all answered in 1650, and regularly before that.

It is YOU brings us the words of men, not the Word of God..

BillG · Dec 9, 2017

Exodus 34:21

21 “Six days you shall work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; in plowing time and in harvest you shall rest.

Do those who insist on observing the Sabbath also work 6 days as well.

It's seems God is saying you should work six days and then rest on the 7th

LoveGodForever · Dec 9, 2017

valiant said:

No it doesn't, New Moons means New Moons. The scripture says nothing about God's 4th commandment.

valiant said:

New Moons are monthly and also as a prelude to the annual festivals as shown in Ezekiel

Ezekiel 45
17, And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and (1) meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the (2) feasts , and in the (3) new moons , and in the sabbaths <Plural>, in all solemniti es of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, a nd the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
18 , Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary:
19, And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court.
20, And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house.
21, In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the (2) Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

The CONTEXT in the CHAPTER of Col 2 is talking about the Mosaic laws for remission of sin that pointed to Jesus being finished at the cross from the book of Moses. The within SCRIPTURE CONTEXT of v16 is talking about the annual feast days with the 1. Meat and Drink Offerings, New Moons, annual Festivals and "special" Sabbaths or Sabbath days (plural) as shown above referring to the annual festivals and "special" festival Sabbaths that are not the 4th commandment and can fall on any day of the week.

valiant said:

If you mean the God's LAW the 10 commandments these are the Forever and the standard for SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS, the Old Covenant the NEW Covenant and the Judgement to come...

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is FOREVER nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14).
God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7).
It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12).
God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35).
Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.).
The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Savior (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4).
God's Law is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). God's people keep all the commandments of God including the Sabbath even in the NEW EARTH (Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; Isaiah 66:23)

You also seem to no know who God's Israel are.........................

Who are Israel?

"Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. The origin of the name "Israel" come from Genesis 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

Israel is only a name given by God that represents God's people and today anyone who is following Jesus by FAITH is part of God's Israel according to God's Word.

What does God's Word say.....................................…

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, AND TO YOUR SEED, WHICH IS CHRIST (Galatians 3:16)

Abraham’s seed is Israel............................................

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........................

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

Believe the scriptures......................................

Galatians 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........................

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

valiant said:

Jesus, James, Peter and Paul ALL refer to God's LAW the ten commandments. The 4th commandment is also one of the ten commandment. James says that if we break ONE of the TEN commandments we stand guilty before GOD of SIN and breaking ALL of HIS commandments. Here you can read about it here (James 2:8-12)

valiant said:

Nothing is out of CONTEXT all is as it should be. IF you are living a LIFE of KNOWN SIN you reject the gift of God's dear SON and are in danger of the Judgements of God. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten commandments (No. 4). If you knowingly break it just like any of the others you stand guilty before God of committing SIN. Hebrews 10:26-27 is talking about those who choose to live a life of unrepentant sin you will be lost.

valiant said:

No it does not

valiant said:

YES we are commanded to worship God on a particular day of the week. You should read your bible.

Exodus 20
8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Acts 20:7 is only about the disciples having a meal together because Paul was departing the next day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks u s not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

LoveGodForever · Dec 9, 2017

BillG said:

Hi BillG

The 4th commandment is actually..

Exodus 20
8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Yes 6 days are for us the 7th is for God as a memorial of creation.

LoveGodForever · Dec 9, 2017

valiant said:

Hello valiant, Yes I like my signature for my posts. You do not like it? Sorry if it is a bit repetitious for you but it brings a truthful point don't you think? It is the truth we should follow God's Word over the traditions of men that lead others to break the commandments of God. Anyhow I like my occasional signature.......

What was answered in 1650 and regularly before that? I did read post #1650 and replied to it. You do not seem to know the scriptures.

We must point all to the Word of God because only God's Word is true and only those that BELIEVE and FOLLOW it are God's people.

LoveGodForever · Dec 9, 2017

UnderGrace said:

If your interpretation of being dead to the Law of God (10 commandments) means to no longer have anything to do with it, how will you know if you SIN or not? Sin will send you to Jesus or keep you out of God's Kingdom if it does not. Either way you cannot know what SIN is without God's LAW and if you have SIN in your LIFE you do not KNOW him who LOVES and it calling you.

gb9 · Dec 9, 2017

actually, anyone who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ is God's people. that is the mark of a believer. Sabbath keeping does not make one saved.

GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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