Husband got mad and shoved me into the counter and cubbard I am calling Abw tomorrow

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maxwel said:
I thought "probable cause" had been downgraded in many situations to "reasonable suspicion."

Reasonable suspicion just does not impress me at all.
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I've been in it for 17 years, probable cause is what has always been required to charge a person with a crime, or obtain a search warrant. It's in the 4th amendment.
Reasonable suspicion is from Terry v. Ohio in 1967. Tjat is to stop someone for only a reasonable amount of time to investigate.
 
blue_ladybug said:
I'm sorry to hear this, Jennifer. You moving out and bringing him with you was a COLOSSAL mistake, but you already know that. Do you have any money you could borrow from someone until you get paid? Is his name on your checking account? If it is, TAKE IT OFF ASAP. And open another account at a different bank so you can save up some money. Or at least give the bulk of your check to someone you trust, so he can't steal it. Keep your phone charged up and on you at all times. Do what renewed-hope suggested, throw it out and get a prepaid tracfone. Buy a phone card, and get the phone activated before you even leave the store's parking lot.. He absolutely cannot trace it.


Praying that you get out of this mess real soon..
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He knows where she works, where she goes to school, where her daughter is, and what her car looks like. For what purpose would he need to track her by phone?

And, sorry, still in the 20th century. Can anyone just track someone by their phone?
 
Tommy379 said:
I've been in it for 17 years, probable cause is what has always been required to charge a person with a crime, or obtain a search warrant. It's in the 4th amendment.
Reasonable suspicion is from Terry v. Ohio in 1967. Tjat is to stop someone for only a reasonable amount of time to investigate.
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Isn't reasonable suspicion enough, at least in some states, to come right into your home without a warrant??
 
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He knows where she works, where she goes to school, where her daughter is, and what her car looks like. For what purpose would he need to track her by phone?

And, sorry, still in the 20th century. Can anyone just track someone by their phone?
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The police can't tract a phone..... I doubt he can.
 
maxwel said:
Isn't reasonable suspicion enough, at least in some states, to come right into your home without a warrant??
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No. If there is some kind of exigent circumstances, like a fleeing felon, someone destroying evidence, someone inside screaming for help, then yes. After the exigency ends, all police action has to be followed by a warrant, based on probable cause.
 
blue_ladybug said:
Well maybe if the cops respected us abused citizens more, we might treat them with more respect and not call them the po po or pigs.. lol
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I don't use those terms. And, I have been arrested four times.... always with great respect, even when I was drunk and fighting.
 
Tommy379 said:
The police can't tract a phone..... I doubt he can.
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Any tracking program installed on a phone can easily allow a creep you track your gps position.
This could also be done by hacking the phone from a distance.
Theoretically it could also be done by hacking other systems... but the mostly likely scenario is just to install something on the phone.


As far as what the police do... err...

1. What Tommy does, or what his people do, does not necessarily reflect what every police force does everywhere.

2. Some police forces are KNOWN to do fairly creepy things where phones are concerned.

3. This does not reflect on Tommy, or all policemen in general.
 
NotmebutHim said:
Guess I"m a little confused about the cops allegedly not doing anything to help you.

What state, city, town or county are you in? Does that jurisdiction have mandatory arrest and/or primary aggressor policies for DV incidents?

Most (if not all) LE agencies are very keen and sensitive as to the issue of DV, so I don't understand why they would turn a blind eye to it. In this day and time, it's pretty much career-ending to ignore spousal abuse.
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The usual way it goes:
Cops come. Asks if spouse wants to press charges. If spouse says no, cops leaves, and abuser is angry for calling the cops. If spouse says yes, cops leave with abuser, and the next day or a few days later, abuser is remanded, either puts up bail or is allowed to leave the jail until trial. Abuser goes home. Abuser not in good mood because he just spent the last few days in jail.

Can get a restraining order, which says abuser cannot go near you, however, within a couple of days to a week, abuser has been fuming or feeling guilty, and decides, "we just need to talk," and then goes to talk, however abuser being abusive anyway, talking leads to violence.

If, by major miracle, abuser really does get a speedy trial, and really does get convicted and sent away, spouseabuser spends a good 3 months to a couple of years in prison before going on parole. Because let's face it, we're all about "only keeping serious offenders behind bars," right?

Which part of that is different in any state in the union?
 
blue_ladybug said:
Considering how incompetent most police are, it's not surprising that they won't help her. They won't get off their ascots and help her, until he kills her. THEN they'll do something.. :/
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That's not police incompetency, that's what we let the law become. Cops enforce the law.
 
I don't know what the rant against the police is all about but it seems quite out of place here

see, even saying 'I will call tomorrow' shows, IMO, that somebody is thinking INSIDE the box instead of outside of it

very good advice on this thread Jennifer if you will take it
 
blue_ladybug said:
Well, you're a cop, right? If the responsibility of law enforcement is to serve and protect, then why aren't they trained to spot domestic abuse? I mean, the average idiot from off the street could look at someone and tell if they're abused or not. The lack of eye contact when talking, the lip biting, the scared glances all around. Not to mention any fresh bruises they may see. If cops truly want to protect battered women from these scumbags, they should be specifically trained to spot the abuse, whether the victim talks or not.

Don't you have the right to search a vehicle or house on grounds of suspicion that it may have drugs in it? Then why can't the cops arrest a wife beater on suspected grounds of domestic abuse?
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"Innocent until proven guilty."
 
blue_ladybug said:
And that's another reason people don't call the po po.. They don't trust them, they don't like them, they know the popo ain't gonna help them anyway until they're already dead..and then it won't matter anyway because as always, help from the popo came wayyy too late.
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Well, maybe that's why no one trust them. First people assume the cops have authority they don't have, then they give out false information of what cops can do, and then add to that the amount of times people decide cops are idiots because they heard that somewhere, so it must be true. :rolleyes:
 
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blue_ladybug said:
Well maybe if the cops respected us abused citizens more, we might treat them with more respect and not call them the po po or pigs.. lol
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Why? Because the cops were the ones who abused you? And stop saying, "we" when you mean "I." I respect cops, mostly because I know what they can and can't do and because all they've ever done for me is help me. (Or give me a ticket I deserved. lol)

You lack reasoning skills.
 
Don't even get me started on THAT one.. lol.. Maybe you and Susanna do respect us, but many other cops don't...

Barre's police chief smokes pot, on the job AND in front of people. AND sells it.. Then turns around and arrests the very people that he sold to. Is that respecting a citizen? Oh, and my neighbor at my old apt. building, a cop who couldn't keep his girlfriend quiet during sex at 2 am EVERY NIGHT, so I got woke up and had to listen to her screaming his name over and over. Is THAT respecting a citizen?

Or the cops who tell an abused woman "unless he hits you, we can't help". Is that respect? What about the guy who just got stopped with what, $90,000 in his car. They had NO REASON to search his car, they couldn't see the money, but they searched anyway and now they're refusing to give his money back. Is that respect?

Tommy379 said:
What leads you to believe, the police don't respect the citizens?
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7seasrekeyed said:
I don't know what the rant against the police is all about but it seems quite out of place here

see, even saying 'I will call tomorrow' shows, IMO, that somebody is thinking INSIDE the box instead of outside of it

very good advice on this thread Jennifer if you will take it
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If any of MY comments were construed as a rant against the police, then I apologize... that wasn't ever my intent.

We live in a fallen world, and police officers are a necessity for our safety.
I appreciate all the good officers out there.


* My first point with Tommy was just about certain LAWS...
and no policeman has responsibility for writing any bad laws.

* My last point was about phones, and that some police departments are KNOWN to do some very strange things regarding cell phones and privacy.
These are WELL KNOWN issues, and again, they have nothing to do with Tommy, or with "every policeman".
 
I DO treat them with respect. If you'd put on your glasses and read, you'll see where I said I always call them sir, maam or officer..

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Why? Because the cops were the ones who abused you? And stop saying, "we" when you mean "I." I respect cops, mostly because I know what they can and can't do and because all they've ever done for me is help me. (Or give me a ticket I deserved. lol)

You lack reasoning skills.
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Come to Vermont. You'll find out right quick that the cops here are idiots.. lol

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Well, maybe that's why no one trust them. First people assume the cops have authority they don't have, then they give out false information of what cops can do, and then add to that the amount of times people decide cops are idiots because they heard that somewhere, so it must be true. :rolleyes:
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