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Willie-T

Willie-T

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oldethennew said:
Will,

we have self-called, open 'voo-doo worshipping neighbors who are actually practicing their imaginations and
maschinations against their own kin...even to the extreme of sending them their demonic
spells, along with certain 'items', and performing bizarre rituals, right in front of them,
on a daily basis...

I know it's hard to believe, but Willie, why would we share such things if we haven't witnessed them
and been the butt of some, but not defeated over as victims of their own ignorance and satanic-stupidity???
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Exactly. So why do all these people keep wanting to play with all this stuff when probably not a one of them knows much more than what some other fanatic posted previously.

I think a lot of that stuff is odd — even wrong — but, guess what..... I don't follow those people, and it doesn't concern me as I sit in my congregation.
 
hornetguy

hornetguy

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the first time I heard "dodgy" used was in the movie, "Love, Actually".... when Natalie tells Hugh Grant where she lives....

dodgy.jpg
 
tanakh

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Sounds like an upgrade of the promise boxes that were popular some time back where you picked a rolled bit of paper with a verse on it
 
notuptome

notuptome

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tanakh said:
Sounds like an upgrade of the promise boxes that were popular some time back where you picked a rolled bit of paper with a verse on it
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More like Pandora's box filled with the evils of New Age Mysticism.

New Age Mysticism has made great inroads into the modern church. Lack of bible discipleship is the cause for this great tragedy in the modern church.

There are those who are ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth. They profess themselves wise but are made foolish.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
stonesoffire

stonesoffire

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If one wants to know exactly what this ministry is about, one should go to the horses mouth. :)

If you are on Facebook, do a search for Ken and Jenny Hodges's. Am not endorsing this way of ministering. I don't understand it. But, they are ministering to Muslims, Hindus and new age followers.

Kris Valloten sp? has denied Bethels endorsement. Just because someone attends services, it doesn't mean that it's of the churches teams.
 
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beastslayer1970

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7seasrekeyed said:
since a video of Heidi Baker was posted this is the type of carnival that goes on and is accepted as prophetic and part of the New Apostolic Reformation

I've listened to some of her teaching. Go ahead and look her up and if you think she is sound then go for it

I posted this op because this appears to be something fresh coming along. A teacher on staff of Bethel is teaching how to use the cards and the students are presenting them at the welcome desk at the church

this is in her book and she is proud of it. I didn't make it up...buy her book. get a real revelation of what goes on there
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Thank you for the courage to put this out here for us.
 
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beastslayer1970

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Willie-T said:
I find it really remarkable that all these Hate Sites seem to know absolutely everything that goes on at all these ministries they say "we" should have nothing to do with. It kind of makes me wonder just who they spend their time concentrating on. I probably wouldn't even know most of these places existed, let alone the deep inner workings of their organizations, if it wasn't for all the Heresy Hunters spreading their "false" preachings.

I wish they would mix it up some, and keep us up to date with some entertainment on Voodoo and maybe Swahili Beliefs.
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Bethel was a former Assembly of God Church and when Bill Johnson took over he did so on 2 conditions the Church board made to him. If Johnson was to be Sr. Pastor and get a lifetime contract and never fired or released, he had to publicly remove the Church form the Assembly of God denomination and adhere to the NAR heresy called MAKING REVIVAL. He could not preach or teach any other doctrine but making revival. This info is all public knowledge and many know that Johnson was seduced by demonic spirits when he made the deal. His Father was only with the church when it was AOG and Jr. did not succeed Sr. there was a gap of time.
 
Willie-T

Willie-T

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beastslayer1970 said:
Bethel was a former Assembly of God Church and when Bill Johnson took over he did so on 2 conditions the Church board made to him. If Johnson was to be Sr. Pastor and get a lifetime contract and never fired or released, he had to publicly remove the Church form the Assembly of God denomination and adhere to the NAR heresy called MAKING REVIVAL. He could not preach or teach any other doctrine but making revival. This info is all public knowledge and many know that Johnson was seduced by demonic spirits when he made the deal. His Father was only with the church when it was AOG and Jr. did not succeed Sr. there was a gap of time.
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That doesn't answer a thing about why anyone involved with producing these Hate Sites would be so obsessed with steeping themselves in the inner workings of NAR, or anything that resembles it.
 
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beastslayer1970

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Willie-T said:
That doesn't answer a thing about why anyone involved with producing these Hate Sites would be so obsessed with steeping themselves in the inner workings of NAR, or anything that resembles it.
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I was just giving the history of Bethel, because many have no clue about where they came from , much less where they are going and why.
 
Willie-T

Willie-T

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beastslayer1970 said:
I was just giving the history of Bethel, because many have no clue about where they came from , much less where they are going and why.
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I can dig it. And, Thank You. But I still can't understand some people's obsessions with all these things they, themselves, admit are not of God. I mean, other than the guys posting this junk, no one else here attends those churches. (And I have to assume they DO attend those churches, to be able to tell us all about what goes on behind their closed doors.)
 
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pottersclay

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Sad state of affairs when our churches and faith outreaches incorporate abominations with Christianity selling as a new improved deal on the spiritual side of things. Wonder how much effort Satan has to give to make this one work?
 
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Speak2Me

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Willie-T said:
In that one simple sentence, you spoke the truth. The rest is something someone else put together.

This stuff may, or may not be going on. But, as I said before, I honestly would like to see something from an officially sanctioned Bethel webpage that says something about it.
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I searched, & I couldn't find a single Bethel church that refutes this nonsense or say they want no part of it.
 
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Speak2Me

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Willie-T said:
I find it really remarkable that all these Hate Sites seem to know absolutely everything that goes on at all these ministries they say "we" should have nothing to do with. It kind of makes me wonder just who they spend their time concentrating on. I probably wouldn't even know most of these places existed, let alone the deep inner workings of their organizations, if it wasn't for all the Heresy Hunters spreading their "false" preachings.
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Most of the sites I checked weren't hate sites.

Besides, it's our christian duty to expose false teachers.

Ephesians 5:11
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New International Version
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

New Living Translation
Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them.

English Standard Version
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

New American Standard Bible
Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;
 
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Speak2Me

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Willie-T said:
That doesn't answer a thing about why anyone involved with producing these Hate Sites would be so obsessed with steeping themselves in the inner workings of NAR, or anything that resembles it.
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Now, why on earth are you still calling these websites "hate sites"?

Could it be that you attend a Bethel church?

Isn't that what it's really about?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Willie-T said:
That doesn't answer a thing about why anyone involved with producing these Hate Sites would be so obsessed with steeping themselves in the inner workings of NAR, or anything that resembles it.
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you call it a 'hate' site

people gonna be attracted to what attracts them

what I don't like, is someone who should know better, saying exposing this facade of Christianity, is hateful

that is your opinion. I know quite a bit about NAR and that education started when the golden boy from Canada, Todd Bentley, had his (cough cough) revival in Lakeland circa April 2008. the entire thing was a stinking mess no real healings, but at least one person actually DYING after Bentley punched him in the stomach and told him he was healed from stomach cancer. (the punch didn't kill him...the cancer did though)
 
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7seasrekeyed

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People are so gullible and think if something supernatural is going on it must be God. which is why the devil has such a field day fooling Christians.

I tell you what, if people would actually run after Jesus, the way they run after these charlatans and practicers of evil and witchcraft, things would change dramatically

I've gone to a lot of trouble and spent alot of time, personally, in my search for truth and I am appalled at what many Christians accept as truth even though there is absolutely nothing in scripture to back it up

anyone with a working knowledge of scripture who will take the time to trace the roots of this NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) will be appalled at how it started and through whom it started. God is not with this movement...it does not come from Him.

it's like a Hydra...and is constantly evolving and they keep the real interesting practices hidden and if you know your Bible, you know why
 
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Speak2Me said:

I searched, & I couldn't find a single Bethel church that refutes this nonsense or say they want no part of it.
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I don't know what to think sometimes

I post absolute proof this is going on and people still deny it or say exposing it is hateful

well, I say have it...and so does God

you can run after this and other deceptions, or you can actually acknowledge the Bible does NOT say that new Apostles are going to bring in the kingdom of God, which, is the Reader's Digest version of the aims of this bizarre movement
 
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beastslayer1970 said:
I was just giving the history of Bethel, because many have no clue about where they came from , much less where they are going and why.
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most people do not want to dig that far but I have a natural inclination to turn stones over and get to the bottom of things

I'm fine with people not knowing as long as they DO know to stay away and have less then nothing to do with it
 
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beastslayer1970 said:
Thank you for the courage to put this out here for us.
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I didn't know I needed courage until the personal nastiness started :rolleyes:

this is something I just learned about and was truly kind of gob smacked. I mean how much devilish nonsense is going to pass for the Holy Spirit and people are going to not only allow it, but are going to swear by it and think it's all good?
 
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