When was the Messiah put in the grave? and when did He resurrect?

[JaumeJ]

I have been reading the Word for fifty years, and I know about the Sabbath and the special Sabbaths including the one made for thePassover Period, but my reference for now is only to the crucificxion and that particular count of days. You may keep asking me all aqbout all I do not know, but that is simply wasting your time.

 

[Inquistor]

I have been reading the Word for fifty years, and I know about the Sabbath and the special Sabbaths including the one made for thePassover Period, but my reference for now is only to the crucificxion and that particular count of days. You may keep asking me all aqbout all I do not know, but that is simply wasting your time.

In your fifty years of study, have you ever come across this documentary about the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJB24suDEC8

 

[JaumeJ]

What I am experiencing in this thread is that some are presuming others do not know, while other are presuming others do know.

I am with the latter of these groups. I do think most know.

 

[ChristWhoLivesInMe]

Hi Hizikyah,


It is a valid point as Christians we are not under any law to observe any day...all days are Holy! So thats why I say to me its not important!

"all days are holy". I have read where God set aside the 7th day and made that day holy. Do you mind sharing the scripture for this. Thank you.

 

[Inquistor]

Actually, it is a defective question! The body of Jesus was NEVER put in any grave! But it was placed in a borrowed tomb, so no dirt was ever shoveled over His dead body!

 

[JaumeJ]

I do not make it a practice to read any writings "abut" the Word, nor do I watch videos "about" the Word. Except for what God has provded for us all, I am not really interested in these "documents," especially if authenticated by intellectuals or scholars.

Do you realize the only true important understanding is that Jesus Christ was crucified for our sins, and by blieving Him we are saved?

Anyithing else is not so important as this gospel.

In your fifty years of study, have you ever come across this documentary about the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJB24suDEC8

 

[ChristWhoLivesInMe]

I did! and I want to add I actually had this same exact thought, why did they wait the 3 days? but thak Yah! Scripture shows the reason why;

Oh wow. I never got that before. You are right. The guards were guarding the tomb! There was always one piece missing for me. That is it. As much as I have studied this, lined it up, I can't believe that scripture kept eluding me. The women could not get in to the tomb due to the guards. Praise God! I see it all now. I am so excited to have that piece to the puzzle found.

 

[Inquistor]

I do not make it a practice to read any writings "abut" the Word, nor do I watch videos "about" the Word. Except for what God has provded for us all, I am not really interested in these "documents," especially if authenticated by intellectuals or scholars.

Do you realize the only true important understanding is that Jesus Christ was crucified for our sins, and by blieving Him we are saved?

Anyithing else is not so important as this gospel.

Do you realize that "signs and wonders" are TOOLS to be used to CONVINCE an otherwise UNBELIEVING WORLD? The images on the Shroud of Turin were put there by high powered LASER light ... over 2,000 years ago! How could that possibly be the case?


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[JaumeJ]

Do not be carried away by strange doctrines not of the Word. As for signes and wonders, I do not seek them, but I have already experienced a few.

 

[Inquistor]

Do not be carried away by strange doctrines not of the Word. As for signes and wonders, I do not seek them, but I have already experienced a few.

Nobody can force you be interested in scientific documentaries, but I (for one), having dedicated my whole life to science, cannot resist such temptations (which are not sinful, by the way)!

 

[7777pinacled]

When was the Messiah put in the grave? and when did He resurrect? I would like to use Scripture to show the timeline. Anyone who agrees or disagrees is welcome to give your view, I ask that Scripture is also used to supplement it. Thank you!

2 Timothy 2:15, “Study to show yourself approved to YHWH: a workman who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

1 Thessalonians 5:21, “Prove all things; hold fast that which is righteous.”

Hosea 4:6, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you will be no priest to Me..”

There are many things we are told that we willingly accept without studying to see if they are true or not. The apostle Paul told us to do our homework and YHWH told us if we do not do our homework we will get destruction. Scripture is Scripture and truth is truth. Today I want to focus on a very simple truth that nearly the whole world has got very, very wrong.

When was the Messiah put in the grave? and when did He resurrect?

Now most people already are thinking “I know the answer to this I don’t need to study this.” If you think this you may be the person this was meant for. So the first thing we must understand is what makes up a day. A day is a 24 hour period, but it is not midnight to midnight. That is the Gregorian (Roman) calendar that has only been in use since 1582, enacted by Pope Gregory XIII and was a reform of the Julian calendar. It is based on solar cycles and has its origins in Greek, Egyptian, and Babylonian history; all these are in opposition to YHWH and His calendar. To understand what a day consists of according to the Creator of all that is, we need to look at a few verses;

Berĕshith/Genesis 1:5, " And Yah called the light ‘day’ and the darkness He called ‘night.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day."

Exodus 12:18, "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month in the evening."

Leviticus 23:32, "It is a Sabbath of rest to you, and you shall afflict your beings. On the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you observe your Sabbath.”

"evening" is word # H6153. ereb - Strong's Concordance: ereb: evening, Original Word: עָ֫רֶב, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: ereb, Phonetic Spelling: (eh'-reb), Short Definition: evening

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) -
1) evening, night, sunset, 1a) evening, sunset, 1b) night
By the Creator’s calendar the days begin and end when the sun goes down, not at “12 midnight.” Thus 1 day is sunset to sunset. An interesting side note is the day “April fools,” this day got its name in France, there were people who still kept the Creator’s calendar and not the Roman calendar. The Creator’s year starts and ends around April (not what we call New Year’s Eve, which is actually Saturnalia, the pagan worship of Saturn), so the people who still kept the true calendar were called fools, and eventually this turned into April Fools Day, how nice?) So I know the Creator’s calendar takes a little getting used to, as we have kept a different calendar all our lives. But this is the first step to understand when the Messiah was put in the grave and when He resurrected. I am going to use the illustrations below to depict YHWH’s days; first night, then day.

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Leviticus 23:32, "It is a Sabbath of rest to you, and you shall afflict your beings. On the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you observe your Sabbath.”

Now there is a rabbinical/Pharisaic teaching that says any part of a day can be reckoned as a day. Fist off this is not based in Scripture but made up by man, the same types that Yahshua/Jesus said rejected Yah for their own tradition;

Mat 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them; And why do you transgress the Laws of YHWH by your traditions?"

I find it odd that many Christians use the rabbinical/Pharisaic reckoning of a day to prove their Resurrection timeline as they were opponents of the Messiah and they were not based in Biblical truth but man made traditions. So again, according to YHWH Creator of the Heavens and Earth, a day is sunset to sunset. It is also worth pointing out that Yahshua/Jesus said;

Mat 12:40, “For as Yahnah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

Mat 12:39-40, “But He answering, said to them, “A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Yonah. For as Yonah was three days and three nights in the stomach of the great fish, so shall the Son of Aḏam be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

So it is the only sign of the true Messiah and He said, “three days and three nights” I don’t see how Yahshua could have gotten this wrong or used the rabbinical reckoning of a day when He spoke against nearly everything they did, especially their tradition that “nullified” the ways of the Creator. So with this in mind lets consider what is commonly accepted a “Good Friday to Easter Sunday” Resurrection;

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But there is one problem with this view that is most commonly taught, “Good Friday to Easter Sunday” resurrection, by the words of the Messiah Himself this can not be true;

Mat12:40, “For as Yahnah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

There is no possible way to get three days and three nights out of Friday to Sunday. It is 2 nights and one day at most. Most people, myself included are so used to the Roman calendar that it is hard to understand the Creator’s calendar and so it is confusing. I had to go over it a few times to get it myself. For it to be three days and three nights the Messiah would have had to resurrect on Monday right before the sun went down, scripture shows us this did not happen that way either. So when one realizes that Fri-Sun is not possible, a few questions arise; Where does Easter Sunday come from? If the Messiah did not resurrect on Sunday, why are we told the Sabbath has been changed to Sunday, to honor the resurrection? But before we get to that, lets study this out.

“In addition, the Father who sent me has himself testified on my behalf. But you have never heard his voice or seen his shape; 38 moreover, his word does not stay in you, because you don’t trust the one he sent. 39 You keep examining the TaNaKh because you think that in it you have eternal life.
Those very Scriptures bear witness to me, but you won’t come to me in order to have life!



Ive never heard of a sunday resurrection.
What i have found is that all the scripture is God Breathed.
And that the people who were taught the TaNaKh(torah, nevi'im, ketuvim) became even more zealous.
As for me, it has been a sense of wonder and awe at looking into the deep things knowing who they Testify of. Now if a person were to look into the hebrew names for the days of the week alongside what has been given in the scriptures.
Shabbat
Yom}
Yom}
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Ill leave the days blank for a moment and encourage the readers to seek with their own hearts.
The third day is quite beautiful, and the day after is more so for those that have heard of the Bridegrooms promise.

 

[JaumeJ]

You mentioned the "shroud of Turin." You say you are a scientist. I have not followed the evolution of the investigation of the shroud, yet, by weitht I have heard about it.

Scientifically, as it turns out, carbon dating has plaed the shroud as much newer than 2000 years.

Nobody can force you be interested in scientific documentaries, but I (for one), having dedicated my whole life to science, cannot resist such temptations (which are not sinful, by the way)!

 

[ChristWhoLivesInMe]

It is written in the OT what a high day is.

Could you give the scripture, please. I would like to compare and see if it means the "high" means mega, great, etc like the NT.

I found that in John 19:31 "for that day was an high day", that the word "day" ( in "an high day") was an added word by the translators. And that the word "high" (G3173) means "megas" and/or "megalē". Mega means large, great, big, high... See Mat. 7:27 ... and "great" (G3173) was the fall; Mat. 26:36 ..Which is the "great" (G3173) commandment; Mat. 24:21 For then shall be a "great" (G3173) tribulation... And so on. It is used many times in the NT.

 

[Endoscopy]

I agree with everything except perhaps 'afternoon'....what time is that ? Seems it was closer to 'sunset...as the sabbath 'drew on...meaning it was CLOSE....closer than say 'noon.

Afternoon is a time of day nearing the end of the day. Not just right after noon. It comes before evening. It technically is right after noon until evening. Common usage implies the time more near evening.

 

[Endoscopy]

You mentioned the "shroud of Turin." You say you are a scientist. I have not followed the evolution of the investigation of the shroud, yet, by weitht I have heard about it.

Scientifically, as it turns out, carbon dating has plaed the shroud as much newer than 2000 years.

The carbon dating was erroneously taken from a patched part of the shroud. Also carbon dating is very inaccurate. Archaeologists get this dating done and throw away the erroneous dates and keep the correct dates. Archaeologists use pottery to define the dates in their digs. One time they sent samples from the front and rear of the same animal and the result was 100,000 years different. I got this information from a Christian friend who is currently an archaeologist.

 

[Endoscopy]

There is nothing omitted that would be necessar`y in order to count the seven days in the week according to information all who believe already know. Preparation, the day before Sabbath.

The crucifixion happened during Passover week that has two Sabbaths. The first and last days of the week. Thus most likely there were three Sabbaths during that week. First, last, and weekly Sabbaths. Too many people ignore the annual Sabbaths. Thus trying to make Friday afternoon to Sunday morning be 3 days.

 

[Inquistor]

You mentioned the "shroud of Turin." You say you are a scientist. I have not followed the evolution of the investigation of the shroud, yet, by weitht I have heard about it.

Scientifically, as it turns out, carbon dating has plaed the shroud as much newer than 2000 years.

It turns out that your information is WAY out of date! The samples which were carbon dated were actually cut from areas that were REPAIRED in the middle ages, which contained COTTON! Jews would NEVER mix such materials because it was forbidden to do that on their scriptural laws!

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[Hizikyah]

Could you give the scripture, please. I would like to compare and see if it means the "high" means mega, great, etc like the NT.

I found that in John 19:31 "for that day was an high day", that the word "day" ( in "an high day") was an added word by the translators. And that the word "high" (G3173) means "megas" and/or "megalē". Mega means large, great, big, high... See Mat. 7:27 ... and "great" (G3173) was the fall; Mat. 26:36 ..Which is the "great" (G3173) commandment; Mat. 24:21 For then shall be a "great" (G3173) tribulation... And so on. It is used many times in the NT.

The "Feast Days" are called moed/moadim and qodesh miqra:

#H4150 מוֹעֵד mow`ed (mo-ade') n-m. 1. (properly) an appointment, i.e. a fixed time or season., 2. (specifically) a festival., 3. (conventionally) a year., 4. (by implication) an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose)., 5. (technically) the congregation., 6. (by extension) the place of meeting., 7. (also) a signal (as appointed beforehand)., [from H3259], KJV: appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn(-ity), synogogue, (set) time (appointed). , Root(s): H3259



"set-apart" is word #H6944 קֹדֶשׁ qodesh (ko'-desh) n-m. 1. a holy thing., 2. (of location) a holy place., 3. (of event) a holy event (i.e. a memorial)., 4. (abstract, rarely) holiness., 5. (double emphasized) Holy of Holies (the holy place of holy places, the most holiest place)., 6. Holy (Spirit)., [from H6942]
KJV: consecrated (thing), dedicated (thing), hallowed (thing), holiness, (X most) holy (X day, portion, thing), saint, sanctuary. , Root(s): H6942 , See also: H4720, G39


"gatherings" is word #H4744 מִקרָא miqra' (mik-raw') n-m. 1. something called out, i.e. regarding citizens (the act of, the persons, or the place)., 2. a calling forth (of the congregation) to assemble., 3. (as an event, with H6944) a (holy) called out memorial (i.e. a recalling to collective memory; the appointed feasts; see Leviticus 23:2)., 4. (specially) a called out assembly (of the Redeemed Kinsmen of Yahweh— out of captivity; see Nehemiah 8:8, then Exodus 6:6, Exodus 15:13)., 5. (specifically, of Yeshua) a called out assembly of the Redeemed of Yeshua (Jesus), both of Jew (first) and of Gentile— from Moral Failure and Death (see progression from Isaiah 4:5, Matthew 18:17, Matthew 16:18, Acts 2:47)., 6. (Note #1) (The called out assembly is the citizenry of the Redeemed of Jesus; the citizenry under his Redemption and Kingship; Although identified regionally, the citizens of Redemption differs by nature from a local gathering, synagogue, congregation, or the institution of church. “What redemption do you belong to?”)., 7. (Note #2) From Matthew 16:18, Yeshua said, “I will build מִקְרָאֶתִי , my called out assembly.” When residing upon mount Tsiyon (Zion), it is figuratively called “מִקְרָאֶהָ , her called out assembly” in Isaiah 4:5. Aside from this, it is never personalized by anyone else in Scripture; we belong to him., [from H7121], KJV: assembly, calling, convocation, reading. , Root(s): H7121 , See also: G1577

 

[JaumeJ]

The information I have was from the legitimate media sources, not from Google or Yahoo.

It turns out that your information is WAY out of date! The samples which were carbon dated were actually cut from areas that were REPAIRED in the middle ages, which contained COTTON! Jews would NEVER mix such materials because it was forbidden to do that on their scriptural laws!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdwnTpWXi3M

 

[beta]

I do not make it a practice to read any writings "abut" the Word, nor do I watch videos "about" the Word. Except for what God has provded for us all, I am not really interested in these "documents," especially if authenticated by intellectuals or scholars.

Do you realize the only true important understanding is that Jesus Christ was crucified for our sins, and by blieving Him we are saved?

Anyithing else is not so important as this gospel.

It is however of the utmost importance that we 'recognise' the risen Christ and are NOT fobbed off with an 'impersonator to follow. We see that even Mary (one of Jesus' closest) had some trouble RECOGNIZING Him UNTIL Jesus spoke her name....sooooo
don't ASSUME that Gentiles/christians would recognise Him easily - we who have never known Him or walked with Him closely before His crucifixion.
No my friend, gentiles are very easily 'deceived with a 'false jesus and have followed him for 2000 years. Yashua WARNED of DECEPTION and if we are not DISCERNING in every DETAIL we are deceived UNTIL HE calls us by name !!!
That is the revelation of the SPIRIT !