The Big Picture

[Hungry]

It seems that most people here at CC find that this Conspiracy Forum is a place for the paranoid YouTube addicts and Bigfoot hunters but considering that the Bible is filled with evidence of conspiracy and corruption maybe we shouldn’t be too hasty and overlook some of what is posted. For decades I have studied to painstaking lengths to find truth. Using the Bible as my Rosetta Stone, I have filtered the accepted and unaccepted history of man. I have fasted and prayed for wisdom. I have broken down the creation that is human and isolated every system to gain insight and understanding of how and why we were invented. What I have learned may not be mainstream Christianity but I guarantee my theories are all well researched and backed by Scripture.

This I can tell you with confidence; much of what is believed by the church is erroneous. Because words and understanding had not been developed to fully understand or describe the Devine, less accurate portrayals were taught. I have studied psychology to gain insights to how the mind functions and have received much benefit. I think everyone should listen to the introductory course of lectures at the university level. They are free podcasts. Regardless, it becomes aware how great multitudes of people can follow false doctrines and believe everything emphatically. The mind and brain are wonderful but they are easily deceived. I’m sure many will think that I am deceived. Maybe I am about some things but I assure you that my arguments are all sound logic, even if at first laughable.

When you study all of the ancient, and current beliefs, there are many common things that run through them. To address them all is too much for one thread. Just understand this, civilizations rise and fall. They get wiped out. The destruction that is scheduled for the end of this age has happened before. That is what the “elites” know. The Luciferians/Illuminati follow a religion that will be enforced after the destruction. What we call aliens, are what ancient cultures referred to as the gods. They clearly describe their gods coming down in starships from the heavens and teaching them many sciences. Also are many stories about how they impregnated many of their women, just as described in Genesis, “sons of the gods”. These bloodlines often became rulers (devine right of kings). When studying the brain and energy waves and how telepathy can work, it made me wonder if the gold crowns (electrical conductors) around their brains, help transmit thoughts to and from the heavens like a satellite dish.

The important message here is that destruction precedes (and may initiate) the one world government. The “Antichrist” may not be human. There is a lot being said by ufologists. What we call demons, might have been described as Heavenly visitors. This brings the implication that everything we call Devine may be more celestially defined. I’m not saying that our Heavenly Father isn’t King of the Universe and His Son isn’t our Saviour and coming King. I really believe they are. All I’m saying is that when you look at everything past and present, holding it to the light of scripture, it paints a bigger picture. I don’t know if people prefer the mystery that Yahweh is unexplainable. Maybe that’s why we scoff at those who try to do so. All I can say is that Christ is coming, it will be messy. Do what He said, be salt and light. Salt is seasoning that makes things taste better. Make people’s lives better, with love for fellow man. Light is sharing wisdom and insight, brightening perspectives. That’s what I’m trying to do here, even if it welcomes the mockers.

In love,
Steve

 

[pckts]

Light is sharing wisdom and insight, brightening perspectives. That’s what I’m trying to do here, even if it welcomes the mockers.

I might be mocking you but not for the reason you expect.

What we call aliens, are what ancient cultures referred to as the gods. They clearly describe their gods coming down in starships from the heavens and teaching them many sciences.

I was feeling everything you were saying and agreed with all of it until you got here. Do you subscribe to the outer space model and that physical lifeforms existing on other planets were these gods of old? Do you believe authentic space travel is occurring by mankind and that man moon missions have occurred?

I'm interested in sharing wisdom and these matters as I'm interested in both "hidden history" and exploring the possibilities of what exactly the lore of these ancient religions is describing occurred, but I want to know where you stand on these other issues.

I don't care what shape you think the earth is. Are you geocentric, heliocentric, or other? I think this matter is important when gauging discernment of information from discernment/controlled opposition, especially on matters like "aliens".

 

[pckts]

There are basically three different mentalities regarding "ufology and aliens"

1. Everything is at it appears or for the most part

The moon landing may or may not have been staged during the "arms race", but we have an ISS mars rover, probes, satellites, space telescopes with many fruitful plans to explore further and have reality television series taking place on mars, harvesting meteorites, and eventually space colonization.

2. Some or all of the public stuff is fake, but there is a SECRET space program

The general public is mostly ignorant to the realities of outer space and outer space travel. We have super special secret rockets that can go much further than known, contact with aliens may or may not be occurring, and there may or may not be moon/mars bases already or evidence thereof.

3. Both the public and "secret" programs are fake

Since all of the footage is fake and the model of reality they are depicting is fake, it's all not real.


If you are number 3 I'd love to hear your history sources and what you have to say about the "visitors" that seem to be described by ancient cultures.

 

[Hungry]

Let’s go with;

4. The Spirit of God brings structure and order to the universe. It/He is the force that harmonizes all of the atoms into frequencies and resonance orchestrating matter, gravity and light to obey His will bring balance to everything. Yahweh is the Father, the physical manifestation of the Spirit. Everything is under Him. To speak metaphorically, the universe is a large body. Everything that exists is working together to maintain universal homeostasis, balance. Just like from conception our body is obeying a complex design. From very few cells our bodies blossom into many systems within systems. All of them orchestrating our homeostasis. Whatever enters our body is brought into submission from our immune system. The brain gathers data, and fires nerve cells. Our hypothalamus is master of the glands, suppressing and releasing tiny messengers, all in an act to maintain balance. Everything is accounted and considered. Nature is the same way. Each plant, animal and organism maintain balance, or at least they did. Just like when we injest/absorb/inhale chemicals not intended for our body, it throws off the balance. It may cause a chain reaction that causes our cells to no longer obey the proper rules they were designed to. Then they mutate and reproduce uncontrollably. This becomes cancer. Well, something happened in the “heavens” that caused a ripple effect. Either we were altered or taught what we weren’t supposed to know. The fruit of knowledge of good and evil brings guilt. Everything is energy and frequency. Like radio waves, the Spirit of God transmits the frequency of order and balance throughout the universe. When you eliminate guilt you can tune into the frequency of the Holy Spirit and it attunes your mind to its will. The fall of man is like cancer bringing disharmony to the rest of the body/earth. Our forgiveness eliminates guilt. This is why we are to forgive others, all guilt leads to blindness and separation from the Spirit. It’s like the cells being random, out of tune. Just like there are different types of cells in the body, there are different life forms in the universe. We were told at the resurrection we would have different bodies. Christ said that fish have a certain flesh, birds another, humans different again but at the resurrection we will have heavenly bodies. These will be able to regenerate.

The word Elohim means gods. That’s why it says let’s make man in our image. Yahweh is in charge. He is who invented us and we are His intellectual property. If we choose not to submit then when we die our soul will not have a new body to inhabit. It is the body/brain that allows us sense things, and feel.

 

[Blain]

Actually while there certainly is a lot of tin foil hat theories and conspiracies out there not all of it is, some conspiracies I foud out while doing my end times bible research I had to connect the dots from the scriptures to past and current events and people and that is when I found that some so called conspiracies are not what they seem and if I am mocked for it then that's fine.

 

[pckts]

I agreed with your explanation, but it wasn't an answer to my question of your "space beliefs". Those are important if I'm going to listen to your thoughts on aliens and outer space.

There is a certain type of person who makes threads declaring they have all this knowledge,wisdom, and understanding in a topic or in general, but then never elaborates the specifics or content of these conclusions and is combative and unwilling to answer simple questions or explain/accredit themselves.

You also claim you are here to share your light with others, but seem unwilling to divulge the information, just your overall conclusions, and you are completely unwilling to be direct and open with me. Instead of answering my question you decided to avoid answering it and instead inform me of how well endowed you are and offered me more of the conclusions you have drawn from the sources of information you won't reveal.

Are you waiting for someone to take everything you say on faith and your authority, then you will start the discussion? We are supposed to challenge those declaring they have light because often they are demons in disguise. When someone is reluctant to openly tell me their opinions or feel above answering my questions/concerns, I have to think this isn't a good person to share wisdom with.

At least post a topic and source information for something that has given you these deeper insights.

 

[Hungry]

Sorry I didn’t understand your question completely. You said that there are three categories. I believe some is real and some is fake. I think there might be ancient civilizations that might have had some survivors. There is more than likely a group of elites that have different DNA than most of the population. Along with the blood ties, stories and blood types there are little clues like the asymmetric skull as the skull and bones logo. There are many Egyptian relics and tablets. Most of all the Bible is riddled with stories and hints; wheat and tares, sons of the devil, one is a devil, brood of vipers, snake in the Garden was possibly (most likely) not a snake; statues all over of reptoids; pictures in caves; strange skeletons; giants skeletons; pyramids and monoliths carved with laser precision; pine cones everywhere; stories of visitations; the music industry dropping hints; many icons admit to signing contracts with the devil; Antoine Lafave(?) satinist whos doctrine is do what though will, sin freely, no guilt opens communication with demons; crop circles; foo fighters; nazis; alister Crowley; knights templar; free masons; new world order; everything in Revelation’s destruction coincides with what will happen if a large astrological body flies by; the sumarian literature; the Vatican own the largest infrared telescope and nicknamed it the lucifer lens; they claim they built it because they know what’s coming; the last secret of Fatima, the Pope was supposed to release it but he said it contains a warning of destruction that will only get people worked up so why bother; the prophecy that this is the last Pope; ties between the jesuits and the templars; pyramids all over the world; oddness that some of the Biblical heroes/prophets were born to parents with difficulty conceiving; virgin birth; eye witness accounts of angels (with Peter), Christ and aliens walking through walls; hybrid programs in the Bible and abductees today. These things along with others and everything that I received in prayer, connects many dots.

The elites are preparing underground bases and in mountains like the Bible says. The elites are waiting for the destruction to take place to naturally eliminate much of the population. I believe if their is a rapture either it will be people getting beamed aboard a star ship (maybe that’s what was described in the throne room, revelations). Things like Adam walking with God in the garden and Araham feeding Him maybe because He/Yahweh is more physical than we care to admit. That doesn’t mean I have less awe, just less questions.

Sorry, if this appears to be more sidestepping. If I didn’t answer you question accurately, maybe I just missed it. My sources are considering everything together, even Hinduism talks about the three forms of how they explain god. Vishnu I think is the Creator, Brahman the sustainer, and sheva the destroyer. This is the cycle that repeats.

 

[pckts]

Sorry I didn’t understand your question completely. You said that there are three categories. I believe some is real and some is fake. I think there might be ancient civilizations that might have had some survivors. There is more than likely a group of elites that have different DNA than most of the population. Along with the blood ties, stories and blood types there are little clues like the asymmetric skull as the skull and bones logo. There are many Egyptian relics and tablets. Most of all the Bible is riddled with stories and hints; wheat and tares, sons of the devil, one is a devil, brood of vipers, snake in the Garden was possibly (most likely) not a snake; statues all over of reptoids; pictures in caves; strange skeletons; giants skeletons; pyramids and monoliths carved with laser precision; pine cones everywhere; stories of visitations; the music industry dropping hints; many icons admit to signing contracts with the devil; Antoine Lafave(?) satinist whos doctrine is do what though will, sin freely, no guilt opens communication with demons; crop circles; foo fighters; nazis; alister Crowley; knights templar; free masons; new world order; everything in Revelation’s destruction coincides with what will happen if a large astrological body flies by; the sumarian literature; the Vatican own the largest infrared telescope and nicknamed it the lucifer lens; they claim they built it because they know what’s coming; the last secret of Fatima, the Pope was supposed to release it but he said it contains a warning of destruction that will only get people worked up so why bother; the prophecy that this is the last Pope; ties between the jesuits and the templars; pyramids all over the world; oddness that some of the Biblical heroes/prophets were born to parents with difficulty conceiving; virgin birth; eye witness accounts of angels (with Peter), Christ and aliens walking through walls; hybrid programs in the Bible and abductees today. These things along with others and everything that I received in prayer, connects many dots.

The elites are preparing underground bases and in mountains like the Bible says. The elites are waiting for the destruction to take place to naturally eliminate much of the population. I believe if their is a rapture either it will be people getting beamed aboard a star ship (maybe that’s what was described in the throne room, revelations). Things like Adam walking with God in the garden and Araham feeding Him maybe because He/Yahweh is more physical than we care to admit. That doesn’t mean I have less awe, just less questions.

Sorry, if this appears to be more sidestepping. If I didn’t answer you question accurately, maybe I just missed it. My sources are considering everything together, even Hinduism talks about the three forms of how they explain god. Vishnu I think is the Creator, Brahman the sustainer, and sheva the destroyer. This is the cycle that repeats.

No this wasn't sidestepping, and may we have a fruitful, enjoyable, and long conversation because I am knowledgeable in the occult and once considered many of the theories you have mentioned regarding bloodlines and the "ancients".

I must say up front I no longer entertain these theories and stick to a strictly traditional biblical account, although I understand what you are saying about missing out on deeper meanings or subtexts in scripture. So I will discuss some of these theories and entertain them to an extent because it's possible my interpretation is wrong or influenced by the institution.

I will also say I do not subscribe to any outer space travel at all or in outer space, and believe the earth is stationary and the extent the physical universe (not other realms and the like) is the end of our contained atmosphere. I believe aliens are an agenda of the elite to pass of demons or angels as "aliens" or just fabricate an invasion themselves and make the antichrist as one if they choose to. I believe much of the theories and "evidence" of the scientific community is completely fabricated.

I'll have to convert whatever you say over to those conditions, but it's still valuable information and a talk I'd like to have.



So I don't believe in reptilians and other races or reptile humans because 100 times out of 100 times I looked into the people/characters promoting these beliefs and this material they were complete textbook shills. I believe that what we are really dealing with regarding "dna" or "bloodlines", is just the descendants of those either cursed, blessed, or influenced by our God or perhaps even the "fallen angels" or maybe even "demons" but I'm not sold on either, just open. I do think the children of Israel are still cursed and other curses like this on people are still very much in effect, and this knowledge is used by the "Illuminati" in their schemes and mockery of mankind.

The idea that historic figures with almost "legendary" and heroic tales about them being angelic beings of some sort I'm really willing to entertain and consider, because it doesn't require "aliens" in that sense. At the very least we can say they were the "giants" described in the bible, whether the ones described in the "sons of god daughters men" (regardless of what that really means) or those that are actually described to be 40 feet tall. And the c-section and other circumstances of their births can imply a size issue.

You also have the tales of the greek or roman gods or whichever fathering these "titans". Could just be complete nonsense, or it could be based on some kind of truth to an extent (like the angel-giant "theory" or line of thinking). My take on it is that these people obviously weren't worshiping God, but they did have some idea of god and how they created the earth, how the earth functioned, morality, how to please gods, go to afterlife and whatnot. All of this information may have been complete government/institution propaganda, just as governments tend to do especially when they are satanic. So you have to take these accounts of their history and "beliefs" into question, because we see today the false beliefs and histories promoted in society to brainwash us.

Titans could have just been the common folk explanation for where the giants they may have heard of or saw came from. I'm sure suppressed information existed all throughout time, and the true origin of giants may have not been widely known as this seems like something that would have large universal implications, something highly subject to the devil's manipulation to hide God and elevate himself.

People want to know why the sun comes up and where you go when you die, and if you are hiding the true God from them you tell them some kind of story involving multiple gods and whatever other nonsense to supply an adequate answer to their question that leaves them manipulated to the agenda of the devil/or state.

As far as the creator, sustainer, destroyer thing, here is my interpretation. Our God created us, but he uses forces/mechanisms like the sun, moon, and stars to sustain us. When he opens the firmament to flood the earth or burn it or whatever he probably uses another mechanism/force he created to accomplish this (or he can do it himself). Our God is the creator, destroyer, sustainer, these are just his different arms, forms, whatever you want to call it.

What these false religions do is focus on what part of our God like let's say saturn, and act as if it's an independent entity and they create mythology surrounding it that is either a lie to pass of the independent entity theory, or it discusses aspects of this forces while ignoring the larger context or how they truly fit into the bigger picture. And worship in this false way may or may not produce effects that seem godlike, but there is not actual entity "out there". It's attuning to a force of nature and being influenced by it, to me this actually makes sense and in no way requires sentient lesser god beings watching humanity to function.

I bet if me you and 5,000 of our friends got together in sun clothing and whole hardheartedly prayed to the rising sun and believed it was associated with a god, we would start to have some kind of mass hysteria effect and would be influenced by it. The key is we would have to follow some lore given to us by a priest that may play on the conscious, subconscious, and unconsciousness mind and the interaction between these and the sun and everything else associated with it. It's the same reason Catholics pray to the saints and all the other beings, you can pray to an icon that represents and yields the benefits of what you need.

I think due to the limitations and evil of man, these lesser religions are just humans falling short to interpret God's will or present it openly and honestly to the people for evil reasons. I would like to discuss which space programs or accomplishments you believe are real so I can attempt to talk you out of this.

 

[Hungry]

I’m not sure that Adam and Eve and their descendents weren’t “giants”. It states that there was giants during and after the sons of gods came to mate with the daughters of men. The people originally didnt have children until they were eighty, and lived to six hundred to in the thousands. If their growing/puberty ages lasted a century, how big were they? After the flood, they started to eat meat and their lifespan dropped. Related? I’m not sure. Did the giants have six fingers? Probably hybrid then. I still have more questions than answers, but I have more answers than I did originally.

I know about the space programs that are spoken about. Since there is no basis to believe or disbelieve I have no opinion. I think there is technology that we are handling that was reverse engineered from ufos. There are many people who claim there are bases on the moon. I really don’t care too much about it. I know what was revealed to me and that’s all I claim. I know from the Bible there is a poop storm brewing, and it’s time to prepare your hearts.

 

[Dude653]

I’m not sure that Adam and Eve and their descendents weren’t “giants”. It states that there was giants during and after the sons of gods came to mate with the daughters of men. The people originally didnt have children until they were eighty, and lived to six hundred to in the thousands. If their growing/puberty ages lasted a century, how big were they? After the flood, they started to eat meat and their lifespan dropped. Related? I’m not sure. Did the giants have six fingers? Probably hybrid then. I still have more questions than answers, but I have more answers than I did originally.

I know about the space programs that are spoken about. Since there is no basis to believe or disbelieve I have no opinion. I think there is technology that we are handling that was reverse engineered from ufos. There are many people who claim there are bases on the moon. I really don’t care too much about it. I know what was revealed to me and that’s all I claim. I know from the Bible there is a poop storm brewing, and it’s time to prepare your hearts.

Nah.. if aliens are out there then we will never see them and they will never see us. The problem is distance. Even at light speed you wouldn't live long enough to travel that far. So the aliens would be in the same set of circumstances.

 

[Karraster]

I might be mocking you but not for the reason you expect.



I was feeling everything you were saying and agreed with all of it until you got here. Do you subscribe to the outer space model and that physical lifeforms existing on other planets were these gods of old? Do you believe authentic space travel is occurring by mankind and that man moon missions have occurred?

I'm interested in sharing wisdom and these matters as I'm interested in both "hidden history" and exploring the possibilities of what exactly the lore of these ancient religions is describing occurred, but I want to know where you stand on these other issues.

I don't care what shape you think the earth is. Are you geocentric, heliocentric, or other? I think this matter is important when gauging discernment of information from discernment/controlled opposition, especially on matters like "aliens".

As usual you cut to the chase. Our "world view" is a major factor in interpreting new information.

Jerome's hat came to mind when reading the OP, because all ideas have a beginning, Saint Jerome in medieval art has been used as "evidence" of aliens. Ironic is it not? A painting can sway our idea of reality? Anyhow, it was all the rage to insert his red hat somewhere in a painting, and if it was in the sky, viola, must be a ufo. For me, studying Iconography has been an important part of this puzzle. Art speaks volumes.

 

[Karraster]

quoted Hungry~"

All I can say is that Christ is coming, it will be messy. Do what He said, be salt and light. Salt is seasoning that makes things taste better. Make people’s lives better, with love for fellow man. Light is sharing wisdom and insight, brightening perspectives. That’s what I’m trying to do here, even if it welcomes the mockers."

Hungry I like what you say here. Also where you say you do not have all the answers. I certainly do not. Interesting thoughts you've presented. There is a good case for ancients being larger than us today, besides the consideration of offspring of the "sons of God and daughters of men".

I tend to think there are lesser gods, (or angels depending on interpretation) who were given to all the (70) nations, but Israel was YHVH's portion. Why would scripture refer to the little g gods if they were not real? Why would Almighty be angry with them? if they are not real? However, many Christians do not believe these false gods exist, or rather they exist only in the mind. (imaginations)

Deut, 32:8, Psalm 82

70 nations makes headlines occasionally, always to do with Israel. (sorry if I got off track)

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[Ugly]

All i read in the OP is 'the bible is false as is your understanding of God because pagan interpretation of events throughout history overrides Gods word... but i'm not going to admit that's what i believe'. You can try to hide secular beliefs in a bible wrapper, but once opened it's still secular.

Conspiracy theories are just that. Theories, not facts. And since most Christians that believe these theories as fact spend more time on them than on the things God says to spend on it only continues to decrease the credibility. Best way to render a Christian useless is not remove his faith, but distract him so his faith is aimed at something ultimately useless. It's easier to bring someone back to their faith than it is to convince someone that's misguided in their faith that they are misguided. Conspiracies make a great tool for satan.

 

[pckts]

I’m not sure that Adam and Eve and their descendents weren’t “giants”. It states that there was giants during and after the sons of gods came to mate with the daughters of men. The people originally didnt have children until they were eighty, and lived to six hundred to in the thousands. If their growing/puberty ages lasted a century, how big were they? After the flood, they started to eat meat and their lifespan dropped. Related? I’m not sure. Did the giants have six fingers? Probably hybrid then. I still have more questions than answers, but I have more answers than I did originally.

I know about the space programs that are spoken about. Since there is no basis to believe or disbelieve I have no opinion. I think there is technology that we are handling that was reverse engineered from ufos. There are many people who claim there are bases on the moon. I really don’t care too much about it. I know what was revealed to me and that’s all I claim. I know from the Bible there is a poop storm brewing, and it’s time to prepare your hearts.

Yeah I would like to definitely get to the bottom of the giant origins and history, but there are just so many conflicting sources with questionable credibility. I'm struggling to know where to begin, help.

There is basis to disbelieve in the space program. The moon bases are the most extreme claims "they" have indirectly made, if you are open to this possibility you are open to pretty much anything space related. You also have to take into account that every key figure in the globes perpetration is a member of a devil worshiping secret society, not a coincidence.

There are some things that are unknowable, but there is a lot more you can accomplish with your machine that has access to uncensored information than anyone wants you to believe.

 

[pckts]

As usual you cut to the chase. Our "world view" is a major factor in interpreting new information.

Jerome's hat came to mind when reading the OP, because all ideas have a beginning, Saint Jerome in medieval art has been used as "evidence" of aliens. Ironic is it not? A painting can sway our idea of reality? Anyhow, it was all the rage to insert his red hat somewhere in a painting, and if it was in the sky, viola, must be a ufo. For me, studying Iconography has been an important part of this puzzle. Art speaks volumes.

Confucius say, "Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws."

That always comes to mind when I'm researching or reflecting on "the world". I completely agree iconography is crucial for this kind of thing, especially since this is what they use to mock the public or worship their idols in their activities both publicly and privately.

Once you begin to correlate the symbolism with the events and realize these "coincidences" happen on a weekly basis at times, you are stuck with it and there is no going back. You have to begin putting in the work to make sense of and live in the new world your awareness has brought you into. I was happy to leave the false world behind and intrigued at the possibility that the world that didn't seem right was indeed not right. For some there is comfort, security,and dignity in the illusion world.

Instead of throwing my hands up and saying "How can these people believe THIS!", I have always been very curious in unknown ideas/opinions and also want to figure out the reason why they believe this other thing. I enjoy how when you study something esoteric or a "conspiracy", you have absolutely no idea where it is going to lead you to next. It's the world's best puzzle because it is a puzzle of the world itself.

It's a sense of progression and accomplishment that can't be matched by any career or degree/award/rank obtainment. Experiencing your knowledge build and beliefs reform and become compatible for information you once dismissed as fiction or thought of as a "legend" or were oblivious to, then being able to take on or understand larger ideas which are automatically applied to your overall perception, and the world gets smaller and simultaneously more surreal and mystic.

quoted Hungry~"
I tend to think there are lesser gods, (or angels depending on interpretation) who were given to all the (70) nations, but Israel was YHVH's portion. Why would scripture refer to the little g gods if they were not real? Why would Almighty be angry with them? if they are not real? However, many Christians do not believe these false gods exist, or rather they exist only in the mind. (imaginations)

Deut, 32:8, Psalm 82

70 nations makes headlines occasionally, always to do with Israel. (sorry if I got off track)

So I've been looking into this entire topic a lot lately, and I still have the opinion of the many that the false gods do not exist. I know the verse in Psalm 82 but there are other verses where humans are refereed to as elohim and Christ references psalm 82 in the new testament and to me He was making the point that God sometimes calls humans in high authority positions "gods", Should not the Son of Man be worthy of this title? Well this is my interpretation based solely on scripture, my highest authority on the matter. I'm aware my interpretation might be incorrect or not deep enough, but I'm highly critical and selective of the sources I alter my interpretation of The Bible with.

It seems more like I would be projecting this belief onto the scripture, rather than my impression from the scripture itself. Like how globe earthers start bending the translation of khug or whatever and confirm when scripture is being figurative or literal when it would validate their beliefs.

Can you please better help me understand this theory or send me some credible sources for both giants and these "lessers"? Wherever I look it's ufo people or organizations I already identified and rejected during "outer space" research. It sounds like Hungry was referencing david icke character or something with his reptile lines, these are the people I keep coming across. And if it's not them it's the very shilly or culty seeming people that are profiting from their opinions or may be payed to have them.



Personally I think the "lesser gods" are timeless constructs of the universe that sustain the fabric of reality. I think these forces can be accessed by the mind or spirit and in this some kind of will, feelings, or sense of direction or something can be interpreted by the minds of the faithful/deceived. Or maybe it is even simpler, our loving God will heal and communicate with people of others faiths if they reach out to him correctly, despite their religious beliefs not being perfect. Could a "lesser god" just be a collective belief system that is less than the truth and thus grants a less than perfect connection with God?

I would be willing to believe people of others faiths can communicate with our God if they somehow pick up on who He is through their experience and focus on the truths of their religion. We can pray to God for wisdom, strength, peace, and he will give us all these things. If you tell people pray to the elephant for strength, the owl for wisdom, and the whatever for peace, and they truly believe in these idols that aren't as basic as the ones I made, they won't have some kind of spiritual experience?

That's just my current opinion, that the multiple forces of reality and the humans emotions are all forces from our God, and the other religions separated them either in ignorance or methodically to control the faith and manipulate the people. When evil enters a person through their sins, this darkness may tell them to erect a false idol for riches rather than to follow God, and the sheep just worship whatever they are told or the mob is doing.

I'm looking for evidence of divine beings in physical form or evidence of physical manifestations of these entities through the people's faith in these false religions. I have yet to find this. I know baphomet is worshiped today and I see Modonna honoring the false idol at the super bowl, but I don't believe baphomet is an actual entity. I think it's the manifestation of the evil desires and intentions of men, and they erect an idol and worship it because for whatever reason I do not fully understand this has some kind of effect in this world.

 

[Hungry]

All i read in the OP is 'the bible is false as is your understanding of God because pagan interpretation of events throughout history overrides Gods word... but i'm not going to admit that's what i believe'. You can try to hide secular beliefs in a bible wrapper, but once opened it's still secular.

Conspiracy theories are just that. Theories, not facts. And since most Christians that believe these theories as fact spend more time on them than on the things God says to spend on it only continues to decrease the credibility. Best way to render a Christian useless is not remove his faith, but distract him so his faith is aimed at something ultimately useless. It's easier to bring someone back to their faith than it is to convince someone that's misguided in their faith that they are misguided. Conspiracies make a great tool for satan.

I think the Bible is true, just incomplete. Everything I have stated and believe is based on the fact that it is in the Bible. My point that some Christians have a problem with is that they interpreted elohim as God, and that’s not what it means. I have been seeking God for a couple of decades. It’s not just a hobby, it’s an obsession. I really want to know the truth more than anything. I haven’t just found the truth, I’ve experienced it. It’s like all of the great info I learned about how to simply achieve perfect health and fitness, by identifying some key principles. Nobody cares! Everything makes sense, there are no mysteries. A couple of missing puzzle pieces but you can clearly see the picture.

Here’s something I thought about that you might find funny. What if all of the ancient texts and carvings were just their fictional characters. What if ten thousand years from now somebody is uncovering our civilization and they come across our videos and can view our movies. Would they think that our generation had actual Xmen like powers. Would they teach in history classes that Will Smith was a hero that stopped an alien invasion? Would they suspect that we all died from a zombie apocalypse? Who knows? All I can tell you is that everyone of my beliefs is backed by literal translation of scripture.

 

[Karraster]

Confucius say, "Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws."

That always comes to mind when I'm researching or reflecting on "the world". I completely agree iconography is crucial for this kind of thing, especially since this is what they use to mock the public or worship their idols in their activities both publicly and privately.

Once you begin to correlate the symbolism with the events and realize these "coincidences" happen on a weekly basis at times, you are stuck with it and there is no going back. You have to begin putting in the work to make sense of and live in the new world your awareness has brought you into. I was happy to leave the false world behind and intrigued at the possibility that the world that didn't seem right was indeed not right. For some there is comfort, security,and dignity in the illusion world.

Instead of throwing my hands up and saying "How can these people believe THIS!", I have always been very curious in unknown ideas/opinions and also want to figure out the reason why they believe this other thing. I enjoy how when you study something esoteric or a "conspiracy", you have absolutely no idea where it is going to lead you to next. It's the world's best puzzle because it is a puzzle of the world itself.

It's a sense of progression and accomplishment that can't be matched by any career or degree/award/rank obtainment. Experiencing your knowledge build and beliefs reform and become compatible for information you once dismissed as fiction or thought of as a "legend" or were oblivious to, then being able to take on or understand larger ideas which are automatically applied to your overall perception, and the world gets smaller and simultaneously more surreal and mystic.



So I've been looking into this entire topic a lot lately, and I still have the opinion of the many that the false gods do not exist. I know the verse in Psalm 82 but there are other verses where humans are refereed to as elohim and Christ references psalm 82 in the new testament and to me He was making the point that God sometimes calls humans in high authority positions "gods", Should not the Son of Man be worthy of this title? Well this is my interpretation based solely on scripture, my highest authority on the matter. I'm aware my interpretation might be incorrect or not deep enough, but I'm highly critical and selective of the sources I alter my interpretation of The Bible with.

It seems more like I would be projecting this belief onto the scripture, rather than my impression from the scripture itself. Like how globe earthers start bending the translation of khug or whatever and confirm when scripture is being figurative or literal when it would validate their beliefs.

Can you please better help me understand this theory or send me some credible sources for both giants and these "lessers"? Wherever I look it's ufo people or organizations I already identified and rejected during "outer space" research. It sounds like Hungry was referencing david icke character or something with his reptile lines, these are the people I keep coming across. And if it's not them it's the very shilly or culty seeming people that are profiting from their opinions or may be payed to have them.



Personally I think the "lesser gods" are timeless constructs of the universe that sustain the fabric of reality. I think these forces can be accessed by the mind or spirit and in this some kind of will, feelings, or sense of direction or something can be interpreted by the minds of the faithful/deceived. Or maybe it is even simpler, our loving God will heal and communicate with people of others faiths if they reach out to him correctly, despite their religious beliefs not being perfect. Could a "lesser god" just be a collective belief system that is less than the truth and thus grants a less than perfect connection with God?

I would be willing to believe people of others faiths can communicate with our God if they somehow pick up on who He is through their experience and focus on the truths of their religion. We can pray to God for wisdom, strength, peace, and he will give us all these things. If you tell people pray to the elephant for strength, the owl for wisdom, and the whatever for peace, and they truly believe in these idols that aren't as basic as the ones I made, they won't have some kind of spiritual experience?

That's just my current opinion, that the multiple forces of reality and the humans emotions are all forces from our God, and the other religions separated them either in ignorance or methodically to control the faith and manipulate the people. When evil enters a person through their sins, this darkness may tell them to erect a false idol for riches rather than to follow God, and the sheep just worship whatever they are told or the mob is doing.

I'm looking for evidence of divine beings in physical form or evidence of physical manifestations of these entities through the people's faith in these false religions. I have yet to find this. I know baphomet is worshiped today and I see Modonna honoring the false idol at the super bowl, but I don't believe baphomet is an actual entity. I think it's the manifestation of the evil desires and intentions of men, and they erect an idol and worship it because for whatever reason I do not fully understand this has some kind of effect in this world.

About the lesser gods, or sons of God, Michael Heiser has a teaching about the unseen realm. In Job we get a glimpse of the inner workings of this realm, and I am led to believe the government of Almighty consists of delegated authority figures similar to our governments," principalities and powers" as Paul says. In Moses' day, the Pharaoh had many gods, and weren't the snakes and the plagues symbolic of some of those gods? Why would Almighty be playing fantasy games? I think they were not games, rather war and still it goes on and will until the final battle.

Another thing to remember, patterns in scripture. Things on earth are patterned after what is in heaven. In Ezekiel we're told to study this last earthly Temple, as it contains great mysteries about God and His creation. Have you considered the king of Tyre is both a man and satan?...

I don't have all the answers, I'm still investigating.

David Ike has never impressed me to be a source of truth.

Have you heard of Joe Taylor, paleontologist? I think he is legit. I also think there have been many large human bones found, and covered up by the powers that be. They can't afford to have anything found that disputes Evolution theory. Speaking of which, I think we are devolving, mentally and physically. If we were dogs I'd say I think our generation has devolved to the "chihuahua" stage.

Have you read about the egyptian caves and artifacts in the Grand Canyon? There really is no way for me to verify a lot of this stuff I read about giants, but some of it I think could be true and some hoaxes. The Bible does talk about giants tho, and I would think more evidence would have been found than is reported. I absolutely think the Smithsonian has covered up a lot.

 

[Hungry]

About the lesser gods, or sons of God, Michael Heiser has a teaching about the unseen realm. In Job we get a glimpse of the inner workings of this realm, and I am led to believe the government of Almighty consists of delegated authority figures similar to our governments," principalities and powers" as Paul says. In Moses' day, the Pharaoh had many gods, and weren't the snakes and the plagues symbolic of some of those gods? Why would Almighty be playing fantasy games? I think they were not games, rather war and still it goes on and will until the final battle.

Another thing to remember, patterns in scripture. Things on earth are patterned after what is in heaven. In Ezekiel we're told to study this last earthly Temple, as it contains great mysteries about God and His creation. Have you considered the king of Tyre is both a man and satan?...

I don't have all the answers, I'm still investigating.

David Ike has never impressed me to be a source of truth.

Have you heard of Joe Taylor, paleontologist? I think he is legit. I also think there have been many large human bones found, and covered up by the powers that be. They can't afford to have anything found that disputes Evolution theory. Speaking of which, I think we are devolving, mentally and physically. If we were dogs I'd say I think our generation has devolved to the "chihuahua" stage.

Have you read about the egyptian caves and artifacts in the Grand Canyon? There really is no way for me to verify a lot of this stuff I read about giants, but some of it I think could be true and some hoaxes. The Bible does talk about giants tho, and I would think more evidence would have been found than is reported. I absolutely think the Smithsonian has covered up a lot.

I agree about the covering up of certain aspects of history. I think for certain that David Ike is missing the mark. Here’s what seems to make sense to me. It is believed that the pineal gland is like some sort of receptor/transmitter of telepathy. Whether God is on Planet X like the Sumarians claim or in a Heavenly realm depicted by most Christians I think that the result is the same. We were invented for a purpose. Even when we look at some of the things that we invent today, there are similarities. There is the hard wired default programming, ability to download programming, and remote capabilities. Even hackers can get into your laptops and take them over or change the programming. The way I see it is we were created by our Heavenly Father to do His will. The manager/lucifer decided to mess with the product/us and messed everything up. Our bodies are programmed to survive and reproduce but our instructions are delivered remotely. Guilt hinders the telecommunications capabilities. This is why we need our sins absolved to remove guilt to get back on line with the Creator. If we aren’t receiving our instructions then the only programming we have to follow is the survive and reproduce programming which is where everyone pretty much is at. When I was truly Born Again it all became apparent to me that we all follow the flesh nearly exclusively. There are systems that are at play that make the flesh insatiable past a certain point. Other powers program our minds to be flesh centred, for power and control. Once your eyes are opened are you are aware of the deceptions you understand exactly what Christ was trying to teach. Christ’s sacrifice offers forgiveness, guilt is lifted, you restore connectivity to God, again able to receive orders. From here you become one with all of the others online. You become the hands and feet of God, in this world. It’s like playing a hockey video game. You can’t lace up your skates and shoot the puck. You pick a team and have the ability to command them. If your controller disconnects you lose control. Plug it back in, back in the game. Knowledge of sin makes you aware of right and wrong. If you do right, great. Do wrong, guilt. Disconnect. Forgiveness, no guilt. Reconnect. At the end of this game God will choose His players for the next one. Simple right? His game, His rules.

 

[pckts]

About the lesser gods, or sons of God, Michael Heiser has a teaching about the unseen realm. In Job we get a glimpse of the inner workings of this realm, and I am led to believe the government of Almighty consists of delegated authority figures similar to our governments," principalities and powers" as Paul says. In Moses' day, the Pharaoh had many gods, and weren't the snakes and the plagues symbolic of some of those gods? Why would Almighty be playing fantasy games? I think they were not games, rather war and still it goes on and will until the final battle.

Another thing to remember, patterns in scripture. Things on earth are patterned after what is in heaven. In Ezekiel we're told to study this last earthly Temple, as it contains great mysteries about God and His creation. Have you considered the king of Tyre is both a man and satan?...

I don't have all the answers, I'm still investigating.

David Ike has never impressed me to be a source of truth.

Have you heard of Joe Taylor, paleontologist? I think he is legit. I also think there have been many large human bones found, and covered up by the powers that be. They can't afford to have anything found that disputes Evolution theory. Speaking of which, I think we are devolving, mentally and physically. If we were dogs I'd say I think our generation has devolved to the "chihuahua" stage.

Have you read about the egyptian caves and artifacts in the Grand Canyon? There really is no way for me to verify a lot of this stuff I read about giants, but some of it I think could be true and some hoaxes. The Bible does talk about giants tho, and I would think more evidence would have been found than is reported. I absolutely think the Smithsonian has covered up a lot.

I'm aware of Heiser, he is the only person I looked into regarding this lesser gods/elohim translation idea, because he seems to be the main voice of the opinion and I can't find anything else to compare or fact check with. Heiser is a very cocky and arrogant critic of flat earth and he also is a science fiction author of books about "alien" contact. I severely question his judgement and intentions because of this. So I'm currently looking for more information on the matter to test his claims, and if I can't find any I have to dismiss it.


Another issue I have is that the beliefs of most ancient civilizations, greek and rome, modern hindu and the overall majority had multiple gods. If there was more evidence of cultures run by distinct monotheistic gods I would be more receptive to this. But from what I can tell we have the opposite, separate polytheistic religions where some of the gods seem comparable in personality or symbolism with another separate nations god or gods. It looks like attempts to explain the natural world, science, religion, philosophy all in one. Archetypes for the citizens to follow and seek guidance from in their decisions. A reflection of there culture itself, rather than an entity that dictated it.

Let's say I'm in charge of the norse people, if I want to create a war like society where the average citizen is tough and we are always ready to raid and pillage and steal and fight, I will create gods of war and battle and fill the average citizen's mind with these stories. It's like getting kids to play military violent videogames and then they joing the military, you tell them their gods are warriors and set this up to be the hero and arch-typical man to either become, respect, or serve. Whatever the rulers want becomes the religion and its reflected in the effect it will give off to their pawns.

If a human was named in charge of 1 of the 70 tribes by God and was able to essentially create the religion of his people and determine everything about the "spirit" of the people, I would have to compare his position to being a god too. Now I'm not saying I won't continue to explore the possibility of angel or demon involvement, but the religions don't look like they were operated by such an entity. They look like modern Hinduism and man-made false science origin stories of the world.



Another thing about heiser is that he is an open critic of one of the ufo guys; heiser created his own website zachariasitcheniswrong.com to accomplish this. So this heiser guy to me is a business man trying to capture a market and be one of these "mystic/prophetic" public figures and speakers that have all the answers to our questions about heaven, hell, aliens, angels, everything we are left with more questions about. I know for a "fact" or for myself david icke zach citchen anyone talking planet x or ancient aliens is full of it, so this guy criticizing them isn't incriminating in itself, but to do it and also be a science fiction writer with his own fringe theories in this area, I have many red flags about it.

Currently I see him as a man who had a P.H.D in theology and a passion to write sci-fi, who was searching for a way to become a writer people would want books from to pay his college loans and start getting return on his investment. He saw these ancient alien shills and regular guys making all of this money and getting this huge following in an area he also has interest in religion and sci-fi. So he attacks the shill because his evidence and arguments is ridiculous to prop himself up, and with this attention he presents his own niche theory and captures some of his market. He has a visceral reaction to flat earth because he doesn't want to become a flat earther and hurt his image or have his works influenced by it's implications. I understand he doesn't know it all either and we can't dismiss him because he's a glober, but his perspective on that issue seems relevant to me for putting faith in his judgement and claims. His reaction to it as well is not one of someone I would consider wise or humble:
Christians Who Believe the Earth is Really Flat — Does It Get Any Dumber Than This? | Dr. Michael Heiser

I have not heard of Joe Taylor but will look into him tonight.

Yeah I always wonder how it must have been when people were smarter and lived 200 years or more. Much more wisdom, culture, observance, heritage, and a watchful eye on the young and foolish in the world. I want to live in a time period where everything just stood still for like 200 years with no major developments, issues, wars, or changes to the way of life, culture, or environment. Just a slow, boring, no-pressure, relaxing world without this fast overwhelming "global" list of woes, terrors, misfortunes, and personal failures.

I read about those egyptian caves, and if I remember correctly the items went "missing" and the initial source was somehow discredited or something, but it was on display for a time or something too? And they covered up the cave too right? I believe all of it despite it kind of being one of those claims you here repeated word for word the same way from the off source. Native americans displayed hebrew writing as well and there may have been a tribe that came over here,the israelites were black in appearance like the egyptians.

There are also very impressive ancient structures like this cut into the side of rocks

I'd like to know how we were here in the recent past, Christ came, and this old world was lost while the new world rose and covered up and destroyed it's existence.

I have to imagine that power and cult worship to maintain control over the people isn't just a modern practice. I don't believe the owl idol at bohemian grove is real god, I don't believe the freemason baphomet is a real god, yet they are worshiped by our politicians and public figures who are given earthly power in return. Saturn is another object of their worship. I don't believe in lesser gods influencing our world now, but I believe all that cult worship and forced public exposure to it effects the cultists and the public. So is this "the gods" influencing them and attacking us? Or this this a bunch of old men in robe and pajamas conducting routine ritualistic idol worship to achieve certain states of mind and effects on the spirit?

The fear they put into the world on 9/11 with their "spell", that wasn't a divine act but it achieved a spiritual effect on us and they knew it would do this to us beforehand so they had rituals to bring it on, symbolize it, and honor it afterwards. Attributing the state of fear and confusion and hate to the work of their "god". To me it's just as pathetic as it appears, fools propping up a doll and committing atrocities because it told them to and feeling justified in their actions. Removing themselves from the implications of what they are doing and attributing the effects elsewhere, it provides structure and a false sense of divine purpose to the deceived and guilty. The truly depraved are probably trusted to record the mind of their god, just as we trust our righteous to record ours. They then carry our the will and plans and ride the worldy rewards it reaps them until they trigger the end times and are sentenced to the lowest parts of hell.

I'll keep looking into this topic and report back here, please let me know anything else you have or found. I literally just started researching all of this like 2 weeks ago so this is good timing.

 

[Zmouth]

Everything is energy and frequency. .

Energy is the capacity or power of mass to do work, such as the capacity to move an object (of a given mass) by the application of force.

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