The Big Picture

[Hungry]

Energy is the capacity or power of mass to do work, such as the capacity to move an object (of a given mass) by the application of force.

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Is light not energy? Maybe I have my definitions mixed up or I am unfamiliar with the term to properly label the positive and negative forces attracting and repelling, maintaining balance and giving cohesiveness to matter.

 

[Hungry]

I have to imagine that power and cult worship to maintain control over the people isn't just a modern practice. I don't believe the owl idol at bohemian grove is real god, I don't believe the freemason baphomet is a real god, yet they are worshiped by our politicians and public figures who are given earthly power in return. Saturn is another object of their worship. I don't believe in lesser gods influencing our world now, but I believe all that cult worship and forced public exposure to it effects the cultists and the public. So is this "the gods" influencing them and attacking us? Or this this a bunch of old men in robe and pajamas conducting routine ritualistic idol worship to achieve certain states of mind and effects on the spirit?

The fear they put into the world on 9/11 with their "spell", that wasn't a divine act but it achieved a spiritual effect on us and they knew it would do this to us beforehand so they had rituals to bring it on, symbolize it, and honor it afterwards. Attributing the state of fear and confusion and hate to the work of their "god". To me it's just as pathetic as it appears, fools propping up a doll and committing atrocities because it told them to and feeling justified in their actions. Removing themselves from the implications of what they are doing and attributing the effects elsewhere, it provides structure and a false sense of divine purpose to the deceived and guilty. The truly depraved are probably trusted to record the mind of their god, just as we trust our righteous to record ours. They then carry our the will and plans and ride the worldy rewards it reaps them until they trigger the end times and are sentenced to the lowest parts of hell.

I'll keep looking into this topic and report back here, please let me know anything else you have or found. I literally just started researching all of this like 2 weeks ago so this is good timing.

In the mindfulness of know your enemy, I researched all that I could on the occult, luciferians and satanists. It seems the Luciferians are more interested in power and control politically while satanists enjoy vampiracally feeding off of spiritual energy. Each seem to be very ritualistic in practice but separate. Achieving power through knowledge vs. power by entangling your soul with dark powers and having a symbiotic relationship with unclean spirits. Both are sociopathic. There is information suggesting that unclean spirits that possess people are the disembodied spirits of the nephalim. They find people who have a “low frequency”, and can inhabit the vessel to once again be able to feel and taste. This is demonic possession. Luciferians in my opinion work in concert with the gods who desire to rule earth.

 

[Zmouth]

Is light not energy?

That is a good question. Light is a perturbation of longitudinal dielectric pulses along a coaxial circuit.

Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven. Job 22:14


His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends; Ps 19:6

Maybe I have my definitions mixed up or I am unfamiliar with the term to properly label the positive and negative forces attracting and repelling, maintaining balance and giving cohesiveness to matter.

How do you definite darkness?

But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. John 11:10

 

[Hungry]

That is a good question. Light is a perturbation of longitudinal dielectric pulses along a coaxial circuit.

Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven. Job 22:14


His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends; Ps 19:6




How do you definite darkness?

But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. John 11:10

I think circuit is translated circle there. I believe darkness is a matter of perspective. Just because we can only sense a small portion of light in the visual spectrum, does not mean light (infrared, ultra violet) does not exist. The universe is held together through the “ether” by forces undetected and illuminated with light unseen. Tesla was reported to have seen beyond the spectrum and knew things because he visually detected them.

 

[Karraster]

I agree about the covering up of certain aspects of history. I think for certain that David Ike is missing the mark. Here’s what seems to make sense to me. It is believed that the pineal gland is like some sort of receptor/transmitter of telepathy. Whether God is on Planet X like the Sumarians claim or in a Heavenly realm depicted by most Christians I think that the result is the same. We were invented for a purpose. Even when we look at some of the things that we invent today, there are similarities. There is the hard wired default programming, ability to download programming, and remote capabilities. Even hackers can get into your laptops and take them over or change the programming. The way I see it is we were created by our Heavenly Father to do His will. The manager/lucifer decided to mess with the product/us and messed everything up. Our bodies are programmed to survive and reproduce but our instructions are delivered remotely. Guilt hinders the telecommunications capabilities. This is why we need our sins absolved to remove guilt to get back on line with the Creator. If we aren’t receiving our instructions then the only programming we have to follow is the survive and reproduce programming which is where everyone pretty much is at. When I was truly Born Again it all became apparent to me that we all follow the flesh nearly exclusively. There are systems that are at play that make the flesh insatiable past a certain point. Other powers program our minds to be flesh centred, for power and control. Once your eyes are opened are you are aware of the deceptions you understand exactly what Christ was trying to teach. Christ’s sacrifice offers forgiveness, guilt is lifted, you restore connectivity to God, again able to receive orders. From here you become one with all of the others online. You become the hands and feet of God, in this world. It’s like playing a hockey video game. You can’t lace up your skates and shoot the puck. You pick a team and have the ability to command them. If your controller disconnects you lose control. Plug it back in, back in the game. Knowledge of sin makes you aware of right and wrong. If you do right, great. Do wrong, guilt. Disconnect. Forgiveness, no guilt. Reconnect. At the end of this game God will choose His players for the next one. Simple right? His game, His rules.

I've read this and that about the pineal gland. Some say flouride causes calcification of this gland, which makes sense and is quite possible. I am old enough to remember when senility was rare, the mind was the last thing to go, so something is causing it. (If you've ever researched vaccinations, it's a wonder any of us are still alive). They call it the 3rd eye.......well I don't know much about all that. I think our body needs all it's parts, some more crutial than others, obviously. Scripture talks about the bowels/gut as if that's where our "thinking" takes place. Now many scoff at this, as they do various other parts of the Bible, but did you know the gut has "taste buds"? Receptors IOW. Look into hydrolyzed protein they are putting in processed foods and how our body reacts and makes us crave it like crazy. It's the new MSG I guess. Food has been used as temptation many times in the Bible, and to this day I believe.

You said, "There are systems that are at play that make the flesh insatiable past a certain point." This is profoundly true.
It can be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on what it is you crave, right? It's a good thing when it's the truth you crave/love, because whatever we love we can't get enough of, and love of the truth is a gift from Almighty. Our flesh has to agree with our spirit in order to search out these things.

" At the end of this game God will choose His players for the next one."~not sure what you mean here. Are you talking about each generation, life span?

Your gaming analogy is clever, and I don't discount that as if it could never happen as a "download" as you put it. However, many times in my life I perceived Almighty was "speaking to me" thru events, or people, or even animals. Not in an audible voice, rather as in realizing something, or seeing a bigger picture. I agree we must repent and get back up and try again. He will forgive us if we are sincerely sorry and turn away from our sin, and the scriptures tell us what sin is.

 

[Hungry]

At the end of this one, after the white throne judgement. New heaven, new earth, resurrection.

 

[pckts]

They find people who have a “low frequency”, and can inhabit the vessel to once again be able to feel and taste. This is demonic possession.

How do we raise our frequency? Do you know a credible system or source that can explain this to me? I mean I know of the chakras and the numerous eastern explanations and interpretations of this, but is their a reliable Christian friendly explanation (I'd prefer abstract over sciency)?

 

[Hungry]

How do we raise our frequency? Do you know a credible system or source that can explain this to me? I mean I know of the chakras and the numerous eastern explanations and interpretations of this, but is their a reliable Christian friendly explanation (I'd prefer abstract over sciency)?

Love, peace, faith, health, sobriety.

 

[pckts]

Love, peace, faith, health, sobriety.

Was hoping for a more defined system that takes the demon possession range into account and had some meditation and prayer tips to work in harmony with it.

So if that is all demonic possessions are, could angels have been the same thing in human form? Did the nepholim fathers have human bodies with an angelic spirit in it? What is a son of god daughter of man nepholim and giant?

Are you saying that all humans are suppose to be that big and I am miniature compared to adam and eve? Are we the trolls and gnomes of legend? Did we kill off the normal sized humans? Can you explain why the downsizing happened and why some stayed enormous?

just want to know the overall timeline of human size and how nepholim and angel interaction effected size or other qualities about the race.

 

[Hungry]

Those are all big questions to answer while I get ready for Christmas family festivities. I will do my best to share some thoughts when I get a few minutes. I was trying to be less sciency. There are scientific explanations.

 

[Zmouth]

How do we raise our frequency? Do you know a credible system or source that can explain this to me? I mean I know of the chakras and the numerous eastern explanations and interpretations of this, but is their a reliable Christian friendly explanation (I'd prefer abstract over sciency)?

The best way to dial into the LORD's frequency is .142875 since it is 24 hour non-stop truth 7 days a week, except on the Sabbath. Maybe that is why many people do not hear him since they tune in on the Sabbath or have set their dial to K - L - I - E on their dielectric pulse perceiver, if they even have one, and believing a lie is worse than telling a lie cause at least the liar knows the truth, and trembles and it is for that cause that the LORD send a strong delusion that they should believe a lie like darkness being brighter than light. {See Acts 9:3}

So is darkness the absence of light, an evil spiritual light or light itself with a difference frequency? Or maybe none of those 3?

Because they say their is no God they don't believe that the truth is subjective and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of Truth. Thus one can see in the frequency that three numbers that are missing, but in case you can find one, a dielectric pulse perceiver and can be harmful if is not handled properly.

It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: Prov 25:2 And it is the LORD that reveals it man, which is the gift of knowledge when but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. [See
Mal 2:6]

 

[Karraster]

I'm aware of Heiser, he is the only person I looked into regarding this lesser gods/elohim translation idea, because he seems to be the main voice of the opinion and I can't find anything else to compare or fact check with. Heiser is a very cocky and arrogant critic of flat earth and he also is a science fiction author of books about "alien" contact. I severely question his judgement and intentions because of this. So I'm currently looking for more information on the matter to test his claims, and if I can't find any I have to dismiss it.


Another issue I have is that the beliefs of most ancient civilizations, greek and rome, modern hindu and the overall majority had multiple gods. If there was more evidence of cultures run by distinct monotheistic gods I would be more receptive to this. But from what I can tell we have the opposite, separate polytheistic religions where some of the gods seem comparable in personality or symbolism with another separate nations god or gods. It looks like attempts to explain the natural world, science, religion, philosophy all in one. Archetypes for the citizens to follow and seek guidance from in their decisions. A reflection of there culture itself, rather than an entity that dictated it.

Let's say I'm in charge of the norse people, if I want to create a war like society where the average citizen is tough and we are always ready to raid and pillage and steal and fight, I will create gods of war and battle and fill the average citizen's mind with these stories. It's like getting kids to play military violent videogames and then they joing the military, you tell them their gods are warriors and set this up to be the hero and arch-typical man to either become, respect, or serve. Whatever the rulers want becomes the religion and its reflected in the effect it will give off to their pawns.

If a human was named in charge of 1 of the 70 tribes by God and was able to essentially create the religion of his people and determine everything about the "spirit" of the people, I would have to compare his position to being a god too. Now I'm not saying I won't continue to explore the possibility of angel or demon involvement, but the religions don't look like they were operated by such an entity. They look like modern Hinduism and man-made false science origin stories of the world.



Another thing about heiser is that he is an open critic of one of the ufo guys; heiser created his own website zachariasitcheniswrong.com to accomplish this. So this heiser guy to me is a business man trying to capture a market and be one of these "mystic/prophetic" public figures and speakers that have all the answers to our questions about heaven, hell, aliens, angels, everything we are left with more questions about. I know for a "fact" or for myself david icke zach citchen anyone talking planet x or ancient aliens is full of it, so this guy criticizing them isn't incriminating in itself, but to do it and also be a science fiction writer with his own fringe theories in this area, I have many red flags about it.

Currently I see him as a man who had a P.H.D in theology and a passion to write sci-fi, who was searching for a way to become a writer people would want books from to pay his college loans and start getting return on his investment. He saw these ancient alien shills and regular guys making all of this money and getting this huge following in an area he also has interest in religion and sci-fi. So he attacks the shill because his evidence and arguments is ridiculous to prop himself up, and with this attention he presents his own niche theory and captures some of his market. He has a visceral reaction to flat earth because he doesn't want to become a flat earther and hurt his image or have his works influenced by it's implications. I understand he doesn't know it all either and we can't dismiss him because he's a glober, but his perspective on that issue seems relevant to me for putting faith in his judgement and claims. His reaction to it as well is not one of someone I would consider wise or humble:
Christians Who Believe the Earth is Really Flat — Does It Get Any Dumber Than This? | Dr. Michael Heiser

I have not heard of Joe Taylor but will look into him tonight.

Yeah I always wonder how it must have been when people were smarter and lived 200 years or more. Much more wisdom, culture, observance, heritage, and a watchful eye on the young and foolish in the world. I want to live in a time period where everything just stood still for like 200 years with no major developments, issues, wars, or changes to the way of life, culture, or environment. Just a slow, boring, no-pressure, relaxing world without this fast overwhelming "global" list of woes, terrors, misfortunes, and personal failures.

I read about those egyptian caves, and if I remember correctly the items went "missing" and the initial source was somehow discredited or something, but it was on display for a time or something too? And they covered up the cave too right? I believe all of it despite it kind of being one of those claims you here repeated word for word the same way from the off source. Native americans displayed hebrew writing as well and there may have been a tribe that came over here,the israelites were black in appearance like the egyptians.

There are also very impressive ancient structures like this cut into the side of rocks

I'd like to know how we were here in the recent past, Christ came, and this old world was lost while the new world rose and covered up and destroyed it's existence.

I have to imagine that power and cult worship to maintain control over the people isn't just a modern practice. I don't believe the owl idol at bohemian grove is real god, I don't believe the freemason baphomet is a real god, yet they are worshiped by our politicians and public figures who are given earthly power in return. Saturn is another object of their worship. I don't believe in lesser gods influencing our world now, but I believe all that cult worship and forced public exposure to it effects the cultists and the public. So is this "the gods" influencing them and attacking us? Or this this a bunch of old men in robe and pajamas conducting routine ritualistic idol worship to achieve certain states of mind and effects on the spirit?

The fear they put into the world on 9/11 with their "spell", that wasn't a divine act but it achieved a spiritual effect on us and they knew it would do this to us beforehand so they had rituals to bring it on, symbolize it, and honor it afterwards. Attributing the state of fear and confusion and hate to the work of their "god". To me it's just as pathetic as it appears, fools propping up a doll and committing atrocities because it told them to and feeling justified in their actions. Removing themselves from the implications of what they are doing and attributing the effects elsewhere, it provides structure and a false sense of divine purpose to the deceived and guilty. The truly depraved are probably trusted to record the mind of their god, just as we trust our righteous to record ours. They then carry our the will and plans and ride the worldy rewards it reaps them until they trigger the end times and are sentenced to the lowest parts of hell.

I'll keep looking into this topic and report back here, please let me know anything else you have or found. I literally just started researching all of this like 2 weeks ago so this is good timing.

Thanks for taking time to list all these things about Heiser. I knew about most of them, but somehow it has more impact all written down together like you've done. Didn't know about the si-fi book, now his scathing remarks about FEers make more sense. Also curious, he teaches that the language of the Bible, it is a FE document thru and thru. But then goes on to say it didn't matter? That the ancient peoples falsely believed the earth was flat and Almighty figured that was ok for them to believe a lie, and inspired language that they understood to describe their world, it just wasn't important, it wasn't the main message? So that had me scratching my head. But ya know what? There are men who hold the truth in unrighteousness, as the scriptures say, men who know the truth and supress the truth for their worldly gain/agenda. So, can't say/judge Heiser, he may believe every word he says, but I should be more wary of him.

The first humans living almost a century, and the first 1500 years or so they had either personally known Adam or knew some one who did. Then as the age limit declined, parents out living children, you know those children must have seen their parents/grandparents as some kind of immortals, right?

All thru history the conquerer of lands/peoples dispersed the people/ moved new people in/ mixed the population, has the effect of breaking an allegiance to a country or kingdom, in general diminished patriotism. That tactic is still used today. So I can see where that could easily account for the many different gods in any given area, with the leader of that country influencing priority, which gods were dominent, so forth.

I think the evil that exists today is the same that was spoken of by Jesus Himself. I think it runs in families and the warnings about drinking blood in scripture used to not make a bit of sense to me. I mean, who would even think to do that? Now I know, they do that. They did it back then, they do it still. These are our leaders too, who do this. It's even coming out of the closet, so to speak, and openly people/scientists are talking about the rejuvenating abilities of drinking blood.

Anyway, you're very interesting to talk to. Obviously you have done extensive homework, keep it up. We will need more and more discernment as time rolls on. Technology these days can put voices in your head, holograms in the sky. And the Pope says Evolution is OK, aliens can be our friends. Oh brother.

 

[Waggles]

As for myself I prefer to just stay with the truth.
As I have received the indwelling Spirit of truth from God I know that
most of what has been posted is complete rubbish.
Sorry to spoil your fun.

But in the end Jesus is God who came down from Heaven not a flying saucer
and brought to us the gospel of salvation.
There is an enemy of immense spiritual power who will deceive us by any means
possible including delusions about aliens and all that.
The Bible is truth.
The word of God is truth.
Jesus is the truth and came to give to believers the Holy Spirit who is the
Spirit of truth.

Stick with the truth and you have a hope of your salvation.
Anything else is a lie.

 

[Waggles]

 

[oldethennew]

'Great PEACE have they that Love Thy Law, and NOTHING shall OFFEND them'...

 

[tourist]

The bible mentions about the four corners of the earth so I conclude that there earth is square.

 

[Hungry]

As for myself I prefer to just stay with the truth.
As I have received the indwelling Spirit of truth from God I know that
most of what has been posted is complete rubbish.
Sorry to spoil your fun.

But in the end Jesus is God who came down from Heaven not a flying saucer
and brought to us the gospel of salvation.
There is an enemy of immense spiritual power who will deceive us by any means
possible including delusions about aliens and all that.
The Bible is truth.
The word of God is truth.
Jesus is the truth and came to give to believers the Holy Spirit who is the
Spirit of truth.

Stick with the truth and you have a hope of your salvation.
Anything else is a lie.

What do you suppose the Heavens refers to? The word used to identify Christ as God is theos. It just means divine or coming from the heavens (sky), not from earth, extra terrestrial, alien. What’s special about Christ being theos is that He is Son of the Most High God. I do not argue with scripture/truth, I just want to investigate to understand it in today’s terms.

 

[pckts]

Thanks for taking time to list all these things about Heiser. I knew about most of them, but somehow it has more impact all written down together like you've done. Didn't know about the si-fi book, now his scathing remarks about FEers make more sense. Also curious, he teaches that the language of the Bible, it is a FE document thru and thru. But then goes on to say it didn't matter? That the ancient peoples falsely believed the earth was flat and Almighty figured that was ok for them to believe a lie, and inspired language that they understood to describe their world, it just wasn't important, it wasn't the main message? So that had me scratching my head. But ya know what? There are men who hold the truth in unrighteousness, as the scriptures say, men who know the truth and supress the truth for their worldly gain/agenda. So, can't say/judge Heiser, he may believe every word he says, but I should be more wary of him.

I know men use truth for personal gain, but heiser seems too knowledgeable of Christianity to be doing this because, since he would be aware of the implications for his soul. So for that reason I think he's just someone who was curious as to what this whole "ancient aliens" and "elohim" thing was about, because these books are selling well in the large science fiction/alien/Christian community. Using his hebrew knowledge he was able to discount there shill claims because they are typical poorly told satanic lies, but he also derived his own interpretation from the scripture that would attract the attention of these communities and sell them books with a seemingly original idea.

I understand history is hidden and I was brainwashed in public school, but has anyone else made this psalm 82 claim ever or cited supporting evidence? It seems to come from him, and I've dealt with a lot of charismatic characters who also were science fiction writers and gathered their own evidence. I don't think he's a shill, but I think he was interested in and criticized zarachaihitchen or whoever he made the website for because he wanted to be someone like him. And now he is a character just like him making a living. He knows he's right because if he isn't right he doesn't have a book-selling idea to sell, and that may be enough behind door number 1 to never really look behind 2. When flat earth comes up and would obviously impact and effect all his claims he violently rejects it.

All thru history the conquerer of lands/peoples dispersed the people/ moved new people in/ mixed the population, has the effect of breaking an allegiance to a country or kingdom, in general diminished patriotism. That tactic is still used today. So I can see where that could easily account for the many different gods in any given area, with the leader of that country influencing priority, which gods were dominent, so forth.

This is what i am looking into now. How did these religions actually form and come together. Where did the beliefs come from and all that. Also would like to see some kind of divine evidence of their religions other than the egyptian staffs turning to snakes. I need to see the evidence of interactions between humans and spirits or through the spiritual practices. When I have a better understanding I can figure out what is actually going on "here" with the false religions.

I think the evil that exists today is the same that was spoken of by Jesus Himself. I think it runs in families and the warnings about drinking blood in scripture used to not make a bit of sense to me. I mean, who would even think to do that? Now I know, they do that. They did it back then, they do it still. These are our leaders too, who do this. It's even coming out of the closet, so to speak, and openly people/scientists are talking about the rejuvenating abilities of drinking blood.

Well I go back and forth on whether I think someone can be "born" evil. I don't want to think a child can ever be evil, and the playground behavior thing isn't a good example and is already too late in their development. I do know that evil parents are incapable of supplying genuine and healthy feelings and the necessary emotional development to sustain their children, so I want to think that this evil energy the kids are exposed to, through the lens of "these are my parents/role models", and with these figures playing on their genetic predispositions and understandings, is the force that turns people and kids evil and not that they are born this way or it is carried directly in the blood or anything. Still open to in the blood though.

I've believed our leaders have drunk blood since I was like 12 and saw that al gore was found carrying a briefcase full of viles of blood at the airport. Bone marrow and blood is a popular meal throughout the world I heard. And the satanists love to promote their practices to the public as "natural or healthy" to further their agenda and worship. I hate how they get people to worship and follow unknowingly through deception.

I heard they like to put fear into people or something and apparently are effected by this when they drink their blood. Like how they say this about how the animals we eat and their state of mind when they are slaughtered, apparently this occurs with human blood as well. If you think the scientists talking about drinking blood is bad, I found articles the other day openly discussing the already released man-made mosquitoes equipped with "vaccines" by the military and health department. Probably the source of our "plagues" for the past couple decades.

 

[pckts]

What do you suppose the Heavens refers to? The word used to identify Christ as God is theos. It just means divine or coming from the heavens (sky), not from earth, extra terrestrial, alien. What’s special about Christ being theos is that He is Son of the Most High God. I do not argue with scripture/truth, I just want to investigate to understand it in today’s terms.

You need to orient your sky. These false prophets are playing on the fact that God and heaven of physically above the earth, but are using the false heliocentric model. Instead of portraying the physical universe as lacking heaven and God, they are portraying the physical universe as God and heaven. And they of course have swapped the angels with demons/aliens. Please look over NASA again and the political deception and cult behind them, and why you believe in aliens and other habitable planets in the first place. All the evidence comes from thin air and the imaginations of occult devil worshipers.

Yes, God, his angels, and son are from the sky, because Heaven is actually above us. They came from the sky because heaven is above, it doesn't mean they came from outer space because outer space is above. Outer space isn't above, heaven is above. Outer space is not heaven. You need to come to this understanding, you already said there are some space things you don't believe in. Investigate further and those cracks will give the entire foundation away.

 

[stonesoffire]

The bible mentions about the four corners of the earth so I conclude that there earth is square.

Flat and square? Lol, yet He sits on the circle of the earth. Wonder how that all works.