Trying to understand

[Willie-T]

Can You explain what that means?

It means ya keep on keepin' on, with God.

 

[TrustingGod4life]

It means ya keep on keepin' n, with God.

Thank you'

 

[stonesoffire]

I'm new to the site and new to Christ, well I fell away for church praying even from God but I came back. My question is... will we who believe in Christ go through the tribulation? And if so, how are we to survive it? It's just sounds so scary the things to come... ,concerned about my tiny babies.

Sorry if it's an annoying question just want to help others around me

I had the same concerns when my children were babies, and now I have great grand children. And I understand.

Jesus said to live one day at a time. Then waking up? His mercies are new every morning. And be at peace.

 

[TrustingGod4life]

I had the same concerns when my children were babies, and now I have great grand children. And I understand.

Jesus said to live one day at a time. Then waking up? His mercies are new every morning. And be at peace.

Thank you so much! I appreciate your reply and encouragement. I do try to teach them about the Lord. One day at a time

 

[ComeLordJesus]

The birth pangs happened when Jesus returned from the dead. Tribulation for those who followed him started immediately, and got worse starting 30 years later. Become a Christian in Judea, you immediately lose your family, friends, and livelihood. In 70 AD Nero went for blood. Blood of that new cult called "Christians." And misery for the Jews who were stupid enough to think a Messiah was coming. Someone to replace him. They calmed down finally in the 3rd century.

The blotted out sun? Yup. That's what happened when they burned down Jerusalem. Couldn't see the sun for three days. Hardly could see it for some time afterward. The rivers of blood? The streets of Jerusalem. Ankle deep with blood while soldiers killed the inhabitants. Literally -- ankle deep in the gutters of Jerusalem. Bodies filled the outer court of the temple four feet high. Check out how big those outer courts were, because you haven't seen pictures of a mass burial from any war since with that many bodies. 100,000 Christians per DAY were being killed for the first four months of the decree. After that they killed any they could find. Alexandria actually got what they wanted. They wiped out every single Christian. Elsewhere the Christians hid in caves and catacombs. Hid there until Constantine made being a Christian the choice of his empire.

Why does that NOT count in your eyes?

And immediately after the tribulations of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Matt.24:29 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the kindreds of the earth mourn, and they shall see the son of man come in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. v.30 And he shall send his Angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect, from the four winds, and from one end of the heavens unto the other. v.31

This doesn't sound like anything you're describing.

 

[Willie-T]

And immediately after the tribulations of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Matt.24:29 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the kindreds of the earth mourn, and they shall see the son of man come in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. v.30 And he shall send his Angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect, from the four winds, and from one end of the heavens unto the other. v.31

This doesn't sound like anything you're describing.

This is simply due to a lack of much understanding of Biblical wording and terminology. When you attempt to apply modern interpretations to Biblical language, you will find yourself lost in the middle of a totally unfamiliar forest.

 

[shrume]

This is simply due to a lack of much understanding of Biblical wording and terminology. When you attempt to apply modern interpretations to Biblical language, you will find yourself lost in the middle of a totally unfamiliar forest.

Translation: the Bible does not mean what it says.

Is that what you meant, Willie?

I hope not.

 

[Willie-T]

Translation: the Bible does not mean what it says.

Is that what you meant, Willie?

I hope not.

The Bible means exactly what it says. It is modern man, having almost no knowledge of Old Testament language, who tries to make it mean things that were never understood in such a way by the people who received those messages back then.

 

[RickyZ]

Luke 12: 16And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. 17He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’18“Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. 19And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.” ’20“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you


The answer to the tribulation rapture question: Pray it is past or pre, prepare for post, and understand that for any one of us it could even be today.

 

[notuptome]

The Bible means exactly what it says. It is modern man, having almost no knowledge of Old Testament language, who tries to make it mean things that were never understood in such a way by the people who received those messages back then.

Does Gods Holy Spirit have any influence on the subject? Is the bible just for those people back then or is it for us today?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Luke 12: 16And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest.17He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’18“Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. 19And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.” ’20“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you


The answer to the tribulation rapture question: Pray it is past or pre, prepare for post, and understand that for any one of us it could even be today.

Scripture is always profitable but something a little closer to the subject at hand is desired.

Don't be troubled God is in control. The rapture will occur in the fullness of Gods time.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[shrume]

The Bible means exactly what it says. It is modern man, having almost no knowledge of Old Testament language, who tries to make it mean things that were never understood in such a way by the people who received those messages back then.

Matt 24:
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Do think those that received this message interpreted it differently than modern man does?

I believe that those going through the trib will see exactly what Jesus said they would. They will see Jesus Christ returning from heaven with power and great glory.

And that did not happen in 70 AD.

 

[TrustingGod4life]

Luke 12: 16And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. 17He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’18“Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. 19And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.” ’20“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you


The answer to the tribulation rapture question: Pray it is past or pre, prepare for post, and understand that for any one of us it could even be today.

Thank you. God Bless you are right

 

[Willie-T]

Does Gods Holy Spirit have any influence on the subject? Is the bible just for those people back then or is it for us today?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Probably not in as many cases as we would like to hope, since I see people right here, swearing they have received direct understanding from something they are calling "The Holy Spirit"... yet of perhaps ten or twelve people, 10 or 12 totally differing "opinions" will be given concerning the very same verse.

Before getting into all the head-stuff of having knowledge just imparted to us, it might do to apply a little bit of plain old studying. All through the Bible the meaning of "coming on the clouds" or "the stars and moon going dark" has been written about as pertaining to other places, times, and happenings.... that will tell us just what was meant in the particular Scripture we might be reading at the moment. And those verses were given to us so that we actually COULD know the meanings of the verses presently in front of us.

 

[shrume]

Probably not in as many cases as we would like to hope, since I see people right here, swearing they have received direct understanding from something they are calling "The Holy Spirit"... yet of perhaps ten or twelve people, 10 or 12 totally differing "opinions" will be given concerning the very same verse.

That's frequently true. Just because a person claims or believes that what he knows was taught to him by the Holy Spirit, it does not make it so. The Holy Spirit would not teach contradictory things to different people.

Before getting into all the head-stuff of having knowledge just imparted to us, it might do to apply a little bit of plain old studying. All through the Bible the meaning of "coming on the clouds" or "the stars and moon going dark" have been written about as pertaining to other places, times, and happenings.... that will tell us just what was meant in the particular Scripture we might be reading at the moment. And those verses were given to us so that we actually COULD know the meanings of the verses presently in front of us.

While that is at times a good study technique to use, can you give some biblical examples where "coming on the clouds" does not mean coming on the clouds? Or where "the stars and moon going dark" does not mean the stars and moon going dark?

 

[Willie-T]

Matt 24:
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Do think those that received this message interpreted it differently than modern man does?

I believe that those going through the trib will see exactly what Jesus said they would. They will see Jesus Christ returning from heaven with power and great glory.

And that did not happen in 70 AD.

Are you aware that verse you bolded was previously written about other people, in a different city? Well, it was. And it came true for them. But without an understanding of when that was, and who they were, you will (quite naturally for our modern times) go off thinking something entirely different than was meant, and happened, to them.

 

[ComeLordJesus]

Matt 24:
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Do think those that received this message interpreted it differently than modern man does?

I believe that those going through the trib will see exactly what Jesus said they would. They will see Jesus Christ returning from heaven with power and great glory.

And that did not happen in 70 AD.

Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.​ Acts 1:11

 

[AllenW]

Probably not in as many cases as we would like to hope, since I see people right here, swearing they have received direct understanding from something they are calling "The Holy Spirit"... yet of perhaps ten or twelve people, 10 or 12 totally differing "opinions" will be given concerning the very same verse.

Before getting into all the head-stuff of having knowledge just imparted to us, it might do to apply a little bit of plain old studying. All through the Bible the meaning of "coming on the clouds" or "the stars and moon going dark" has been written about as pertaining to other places, times, and happenings.... that will tell us just what was meant in the particular Scripture we might be reading at the moment. And those verses were given to us so that we actually COULD know the meanings of the verses presently in front of us.

I think it's easy to see 10-12 different interpretations from the same verse.
People develop their relationship with God on different levels and the Bible is far deeper than any of us imagine.
For one person, God is saying one thing, because that's where they are at that time.
Now that doesn't mean that all people listen to everything God says to them.
They may hear one thing and then start running around telling everyone.
Meanwhile, the Holy Spirit is saying "I wasn't finished yet".

Yeah, it's easy to see 10-12 interpretations from the same verse.
Easy.

 

[shrume]

Are you aware that verse you bolded was previously written about other people, in a different city? Well, it was. And it came true for them. But without an understanding of when that was, and who they were, you will (quite naturally for our modern times) go off thinking something entirely different than was meant, and happened, to them.

Please explain yourself. When was it previously written about different people in a different city?

 

[Willie-T]

That's frequently true. Just because a person claims or believes that what he knows was taught to him by the Holy Spirit, it does not make it so. The Holy Spirit would not teach contradictory things to different people.


While that is at times a good study technique to use, can you give some biblical examples where "coming on the clouds" does not mean coming on the clouds? Or where "the stars and moon going dark" does not mean the stars and moon going dark?

I'll just "give" it to you the same way it was given to me............ Study to find it. I did.

Otherwise, just go on believing as you choose.