Baptism: is it required to be baptized in water?

[Bladerunner]

Obedience to the Scriptures and the New Testament Church
Full immersion baptisms in Papua New Guinea and where
also converts seek to be baptized in the Holy Spirit with the
Bible evidence of speaking in tongues.
The outpouring of the Latter Rain of the Holy Spirit continues...

As Phillip was preaching to the gentile (Acts 8:35-37):." Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. v.36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?..v.37 Phillip was preaching to the Gentiles (v.37..."And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."


Then

Acts 10: 35-48...v. 47.."Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"

notice that the Holy Spirit has already been received in the above verse before any water Baptism.

Of course it is the COC and the Penicostals that vehemently deny this.. I expected no less.......

Still it is so Sad. So many Souls lost on false Preaching.

 

[Bladerunner]

Wow, So John the Baptist spoke of the fact his baptism in water was pretty important. But there comes one after him who is much mightier than himself. And his baptism is going to be so much more important. And you just make it seem that this “baptism of the spirit” is going to be some meaningless act of God”

I guess your true colors are showing

I agree but with a twist.....

John 1:31 "And I knew him not: but that he (Jesus) should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water."

John the Baptist was only Identifying Jesus Christ to the Jews which is why He Baptized with Water. He wanted all of Israel to Wash themselves to make them all good enough for Jesus.

WHile this is not to you, both John and Jesus ministries were for the Jews alone.




Thank you for allowing me to add to your post and may you and yours have a very blessed 2018.

Blade

 

[Waggles]

Of course it is the COC and the Penicostals that vehemently deny this..
I expected no less.......
Still it is so Sad. So many Souls lost on false Preaching.

What complete rubbish!

Sometimes people receive the indwelling Holy Spirit first
[and they know this truth by speaking in a new tongue]
and then they get baptized by full immersion.

Sometimes people get baptized by full immersion in response
to the commandment of Jesus to do so, and afterwards they
receive the indwelling Holy Spirit and speak in a new tongue.

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children:
how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them
that ask him? Luke 11:13

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What complete rubbish!

Sometimes people receive the indwelling Holy Spirit first
[and they know this truth by speaking in a new tongue]
and then they get baptized by full immersion.

Sometimes people get baptized by full immersion in response
to the commandment of Jesus to do so, and afterwards they
receive the indwelling Holy Spirit and speak in a new tongue.

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children:
how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them
that ask him? Luke 11:13

What complete rubish

Baptism of the spirit has nothing to do with speaking in tongues.

Spiritual gifts, like speaking in tongues are a result of the anointing of the spirit, not the baptism of the spirit.

 

[DJ2]

What complete rubish

Baptism of the spirit has nothing to do with speaking in tongues.

Spiritual gifts, like speaking in tongues are a result of the anointing of the spirit, not the baptism of the spirit.

Spiritual gifts, like speaking in tongues are a result of the anointing of the spirit, not the baptism of the spirit

Since no one is speaking in tongues today, what difference does it make? Arguing how a now ceased physical supernatural manifestation was imparted seems moot today.

 

[oldethennew]

it depends on how much you Love Jesus and want to be like/follow Him...

 

[Bladerunner]

What complete rubbish!

Sometimes people receive the indwelling Holy Spirit first
[and they know this truth by speaking in a new tongue]
and then they get baptized by full immersion.

Sometimes people get baptized by full immersion in response
to the commandment of Jesus to do so, and afterwards they
receive the indwelling Holy Spirit and speak in a new tongue.

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children:
how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them
that ask him? Luke 11:13

Of Course, It is your Choice. Hope you have a Blessed New Year. Blade

 

[lancaster]

In Mark 16:16 Jesus says, "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned. In Matt. 28:19 Jesus instituted bapism and in Acts 10:48 Peter commanded them to be baptized. Romans the 6th chapter oulines for us the signification of baptism as being buried with Christ. Acts 2:38 gives us the proper way to accomplish this. While we do this in a sybolic form the theif on the cross with Jesus literally died and was literally buried with Jesus.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Since no one is speaking in tongues today, what difference does it make? Arguing how a now ceased physical supernatural manifestation was imparted seems moot today.

It does not negate what is truth. As I said, NO GIFT comes from tyhe baptism of the spirit. Your the one who used tongues. Not me.. You backing away from your own example?

 

[lancaster]

Baptism is symbolic of being buried together with Christ in Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

 

[lancaster]

Baptism is symbolic of being buried with Christ see Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. In regard to the thief on the cross he was in a position in which he literally died with Christ and and was literally buried with Him. so the thief on the cross was baptized into death with Jesus. Since we cannot do it the same as the thief on the cross we must do it symbolically by being buried in water baptism. Peter said in Acts 2:38 repent and be Baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Apparently if I want the promise of the gift of the Holy Ghost then I will follow the instructions that Peter gave me and submit myself to water baptism. On the other hand I can do it my own way and see how it turns out for me. Jesus said, in John the third chapter that unless a man is born of both the water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven. In Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Read Acts the 10th chapter and let me know, as an example of salvation, how they confessed him with their mouth.

 

[lancaster]

Father is not a name it is a title of Jesus Christ. take a look at Acts 2:38 and how this commandment was carried out. In Act 4:10 we read this, "Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Ses also Luke the 24th chapter the 47th verse.

 

[heartofdavid]

Since no one is speaking in tongues today, what difference does it make? Arguing how a now ceased physical supernatural manifestation was imparted seems moot today.

Ignorance is bliss.

The book of acts continues to day.

You have CHOSEN not to be a part of it,just like many did way back then.

 

[DJ2]

It does not negate what is truth. As I said, NO GIFT comes from tyhe baptism of the spirit. Your the one who used tongues. Not me.. You backing away from your own example?

I agree that its current non-existence does not prove how the gift was imparted. But debating how its was imparted is as important as debating the taste of manna, meaningless.

Your the one who used tongues. Not me.. You backing away from your own example?

I don't know what your above statement means.

 

[DJ2]

Ignorance is bliss.

The book of acts continues to day.

You have CHOSEN not to be a part of it,just like many did way back then.

So you believe we are still living in an age of the the miraculous?

Bless your heart.

 

[oldethennew]

oh yes, not only the 'age of the miraculous', but in the 'age of many more miraculous
things to come!!!

 

[Donmech]

About the thief on the cross not being baptized, this is what I understand...
Baptism is a participation in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

The thief died under the Old Covenant, since Jesus was alive at that time, and had not been glorified.

Actually, Jesus died before the two thieves on the cross: John 19:32-33 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him. (verse33) But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

In order to expedite the process of the crucifixion and insure the death of the victims suffering on the cross the soldiers would brake the legs of the individuals, which would prevent them from lifting themselves up in order to breath. The torment of the cross was far more than just the excruciating pain of the spikes in their hands and feet. They were also dealing with asphyxia, unable to breath due to the position of the body hanging from cross. The scripture quoted above revels that Jesus was already dead when they came to brake his legs. Which means the thief died in the new covenant.

 

[MatthewG]

No.

All baptism is for a person is an outward expression of faith.

Nothing more nothing less.

 

[plaintalk]

#158 i must respectfully disagree.
Baptism is about repentance. (Mark 1: 4; Acts 2:38)
becoming a disciple of Christ. (Matt. 28: 18-20)
forgiveness of sin. (Acts 2: 38; Rom. 6: 7)
salvation- (Mark 16: 16; 1 Peter 3: 21)
calling on the name of the Lord. (Acts 22: 16)
baptism is an appeal to God for a good conscience. (1 Peter 3: 21)
a symbol of the washing by the blood of Christ. (Acts 22: 16)
entering into a relationship with Jesus.- (Rom. 6: 3)
dying with Christ. (Rom. 6: 6)
being buried with Christ. (Rom 6: 4)
Arising with Christ. (Rom. 6: 4, 5)
becoming a son of God. (Gal. 3; 26, 27)
being clothed with Christ and His attributes. (Gal 3: 26, 27)
a work of faith- (Acts 8: 37, 38)
perfecting our faith. (James 2: 22)
One of the seven pillars of the unity of the Spirit. (Eph. 4: 5)
God bless.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No.

All baptism is for a person is an outward expression of faith.

Nothing more nothing less.

Sadly, some people want to do something in order to make them feel better, like they actually did something to EARN their gift (it is against human nature to take things unless we merit, or have earned it, when we have earned the situation we are in by what we have done.

ie, I need to make amends. I will noty take charity (grace)