GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[OMEGA777]

JESUS said,
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

This refers to Passover which is God's Commandment and NOT MOSES.

Ex 12:11 And thus shall ye eat it and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD’S passover.

Therefore, We Must Keep the Lord's Feasts of Passover including Foot Washing, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement, Hannukah and the Feast of Tabernacles and the Last Great Day at the End .

Because We Establish the Law of God and not Moses.

Ro 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[UnderGrace]

Seeing the Jesus is not here on earth in the flesh anymore it is pretty impossible to do what John 6:54 states if we read this out of context and read it literally, I highly doubt that Jesus was promoting cannibalism. It would be best to read these verses in context.

JESUS said,
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

This refers to Passover which is God's Commandment and NOT MOSES.

Ex 12:11 And thus shall ye eat it and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD’S passover.

Therefore, We Must Keep the Lord's Feasts of Passover including Foot Washing, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement, Hannukah and the Feast of Tabernacles and the Last Great Day at the End .

Because We Establish the Law of God and not Moses.

Ro 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[mailmandan]

Seeing the Jesus is not here on earth in the flesh anymore it is pretty impossible to do what John 6:54 states if we read this out of context and read it literally, I highly doubt that Jesus was promoting cannibalism. It would be best to read these verses in context.

Amen! Jesus is certainly not referring to cannibalism. Jesus is the Bread of Life. Just as bread nourishes our physical bodies, Jesus gives and sustains eternal life to all believers.

"I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." (John 6:35) As Jesus was accustomed, He used figurative language to emphasize these great spiritual truths.

Jesus explains the sense of the entire passage when He says, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63)

Eating and drinking here is not with the mouth and the digestive organs of our bodies, but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Christ, as Jesus makes it abundantly clear by repeating the same truths both in metaphoric and plain language.

Compare for example the following two verses:

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life" (verse 47).

"He who eats this bread will live forever" (verse 58).

"He who believes" in Christ is equivalent to "he who eats this bread" because the result is the same, eternal life. The parallel is the same between verses 40 and 54:

"Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day" (verse 40).

"Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day" (verse 54).

John 6 does not afford any support to the false Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation. On the contrary, it is an emphatic statement on the primacy of faith as the means by which we receive the grace of God. Jesus is the Bread of Life; we eat of Him and are satisfied when we believe in Him.

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

 

[UnderGrace]

Thank you!! Even as Catholic back when I was younger I always thought that whole transubstantiation doctrine to be too much to swallow....LOL

Having done some research in later years I learned it is really more about alchemy and the occult.

I guess I stop there some people get mad if you derail their thread.

Amen! Jesus is certainly not referring to cannibalism. Jesus is the Bread of Life. Just as bread nourishes our physical bodies, Jesus gives and sustains eternal life to all believers.

"I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." (John 6:35) As Jesus was accustomed, He used figurative language to emphasize these great spiritual truths.

Jesus explains the sense of the entire passage when He says, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63)

Eating and drinking here is not with the mouth and the digestive organs of our bodies, but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Christ, as Jesus makes it abundantly clear by repeating the same truths both in metaphoric and plain language.

Compare for example the following two verses:

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life" (verse 47).

"He who eats this bread will live forever" (verse 58).

"He who believes" in Christ is equivalent to "he who eats this bread" because the result is the same, eternal life. The parallel is the same between verses 40 and 54:

"Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day" (verse 40).

"Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day" (verse 54).

John 6 does not afford any support to the false Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation. On the contrary, it is an emphatic statement on the primacy of faith as the means by which we receive the grace of God. Jesus is the Bread of Life; we eat of Him and are satisfied when we believe in Him.

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Read this again without infusing your internal bias into the text.

I have read it already and BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word. You say it is only for the Jews I say it is God's Word to us and we should believe and follow it because ALL scripture is written for our admonition and we are to live my EVERY Word of it and not just some of it (2 Timothy 3:16; Matthew 4:4). You judge me of bias but I believe and Follow God's Word and this is my bias because I follow and BELIEVE him who loves me.

God's Word is true and we should believe and follow him who calls us....

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........................

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

The Gentile is estranged from the law but has their conscience, the Gentile was never given the Mosaic law including the ten commandments and keeping the Sabbath. As well, in Acts 15 it is made very clear the Gentiles were not to take on the yoke of the law 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

You have not provided any CONTEXT my friend, The chapter is about those of the Jews teaching that one must be circumcised in order to have salvation Acts 15:1-5)? You may need to consider CONTEXT. The BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ means to BELIEVE in the WORD of GOD because Jesus is the Word of God (John 1:1-14)

Acts 15 is in reference to having to be CIRCUMCISED in order to have salvation and that this was not a requirement for salvation. This is what the OP is referring to here. The ceremonial laws of Moses were shadows pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation.

God's LAW (10 commandments) are the knowledge of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and define what good and evil is. God's LAW is the standard of the Old Covenant the NEW Covenant and the Judgement to come and is forever.

This was posted already but do not mind re-posting again if you missed it. Let's look at the whole section in CONTEXT with all the scriptures...

Acts 15
1, And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved <The controversy is that if you are not circumcised after the law of Moses you cannot be saved>.
2, When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
3, And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
4, And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
5, But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6, And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7, And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8, And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9, And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10, Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
19, Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: <New converts do not need to be circumcised after the law of Moses>
20, But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21, For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day <the new converts will learn more because the scriptures are read in the synagogues every Sabbath>.
22, Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23, And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24, Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: <what law are we referring to? The law of Moses; circumcision>

As mentioned above already the Mosaic laws (not God's Law; 10 commandments) that were the cure for sin in the Old Covenant pointing to Jesus have been done away. They were shadows that pointed to Jesus and were fulfilled at the cross. For example with circumcision...........................

Romans 2
28, For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29, But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Now let’s look at the interpretation of Acts 15 where you state; because Gods Sabbath is not mentioned you do not need to keep it...

Now we have shown above already that the CONTEXT of Acts 15 is referring to CIRCUMCISSION as a REQUIREMENT for SALVATION. Circumcision is a requirement under the law of Moses. In fact God’s LAW is not mentioned except for Idolatry as a requirement for the new Gentile converts. WHY? Because Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day v21

This chapter has nothing to do with Gentiles not obeying God’s LAW (10 commandments) it is about CIRCUMCSION in the Mosaic law being a REQUIREMENT for SALVATION v1-5

You state the above because none of God's Law (10 commandments) are mentioned that the Gentiles do not need to follow them.

So UG, if you follow this view through to its logical conclusion, Gentile believers can go kill, steal, covet murder and break all of God’s commandments as long as they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood v20.

I am sure you do not believe this, do you UG? God’s WORD certainly does not teach this as it says those who are living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because those who are practicing SIN have rejected the GIFT of God’s dear son (Hebrews 10:26-27).

Acts 15 says nothing about not needing to obey God's 10 commandments but that circumcision was not a requirement for salvation (CONTEXT) and that Torah was taght in the Synagoges EVERY SABBATH where the new believers would learn more about God's Word.

NOW please if you do not BELIEVE what is posted here state your case why you do not BELEIVE what is presented in this post. If you canot should you not BELIEVE God's Word?

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Hope this helps..

 

[LoveGodForever]

Life by the Spirit

13You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesha ; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”b15If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.16So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whateverc you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.19The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

God only gives the Holy Spirit to those who OBEY him. Those that are still in their SINS do not KNOW him....

Acts 5
32, And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that OBEY HIM.

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we KNOW HIM , if we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

What will the law keepers say now? I can guess: "if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law, but you have to obey it" or "you can't place Paul's words above Jesus' " or .... whatever.

Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and the faith of Jesus.


Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15, For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


Now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. If your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE it will be cast down and thrown into the FIRE...

Matthew 7
13, Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14, Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15, Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16, Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17, Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18, A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19, Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20, Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23, And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

and is why Jesus says...

John 14
15, If ye love me, keep my commandments.

links to...

1 John 3
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Hope this helps..

 

[LoveGodForever]

Thank you!! Even as Catholic back when I was younger I always thought that whole transubstantiation doctrine to be too much to swallow....LOL Having done some research in later years I learned it is really more about alchemy and the occult. I guess I stop there some people get mad if you derail their thread.

What has this got to do with the thread and the OP? How do you think you have derailed the thread with no scripture?

 

[UnderGrace]

It has nothing to do with it.

What has this got to do with the thread and the OP? How do you think you have derailed the thread with no scripture?

 

[LoveGodForever]

I think most members of the forum will agree that I know them far better than you do. The difference between us is that I not only quote them; I believe them. I even believe the ones that make me uncomfortable.

Yet here you are pointing people to yourself saying to all you see and know God's Word but do not see or hear the scriptures.

What is it that you say I have said is not from Gods Word? Where is the Word of God that you say you know?

Earlier you tried to make a case by responding to a post # 2824 linked sent to someone else and wrote your reply in post # 2836 linked by saying that the scriptures used in my earlier post were not referring to God's 10 Commandments.

Then you go on in that same post to try and make out that the post was dishonestly using scripture and my honestly should be questioned.

A response post was then sent to you in post # 2843 linked using scriptures that clearly shows that the verses you thought were NOT referring to God's LAW were indeed talking about the 10 commandments.

Is this is what you are is this what you mean by KNOWING the scriptures. Now you seek to justify yourself with with no scripture. How sad for you. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us.

If your do not know the scriptures how do you know the Word of God? Do you know the scriptures MarcR?

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Hope this helps..

 

[UnderGrace]

Again, Acts 15 is about not just about circumcision (I have found no biblical scholar that agrees with you on this) but whether they should keep all of the law. The initial discussion was about circumcision but discussion led to the full law as written in the following verses.

Again it was decided no.

5, But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

The yoke is the whole of the law not just circumcision.

They were told to abstain, however this does not mean that it was law.

Historical fact the Gentiles were not given the Mosaic law nor the 10 Commandments (although they are not separate).

The Gentile has a conscience by which he/she is judged, their conscience does give them some understanding of what is right and wrong. Romans 2:14-15

…14 Indeed, when Gentiles, [FONT=&quot]who do not have the Law,[/FONT] do by nature what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the Law, 15 since they show that the work of the Law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them.


Again provide a point in history where God placed the Gentile (born again or not) Under the Mosaic law and the ten commandments

He has indeed placed the regenerated/Born Again Gentile Under Grace. Romans 6:14
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I have read it already and BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word. You say it is only for the Jews I say it is God's Word to us and we should believe and follow it because ALL scripture is written for our admonition and we are to live my EVERY Word of it and not just some of it (2 Timothy 3:16; Matthew 4:4). You judge me of bias but I believe and Follow God's Word and this is my bias because I follow and BELIEVE him who loves me.

God's Word is true and we should believe and follow him who calls us....

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........................

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)



You have not provided any CONTEXT my friend, The chapter is about those of the Jews teaching that one must be circumcised in order to have salvation Acts 15:1-5)? You may need to consider CONTEXT. The BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ means to BELIEVE in the WORD of GOD because Jesus is the Word of God (John 1:1-14)

Acts 15 is in reference to having to be CIRCUMCISED in order to have salvation and that this was not a requirement for salvation. This is what the OP is referring to here. The ceremonial laws of Moses were shadows pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation.

God's LAW (10 commandments) are the knowledge of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and define what good and evil is. God's LAW is the standard of the Old Covenant the NEW Covenant and the Judgement to come and is forever.

This was posted already but do not mind re-posting again if you missed it. Let's look at the whole section in CONTEXT with all the scriptures...

Acts 15
1, And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved <The controversy is that if you are not circumcised after the law of Moses you cannot be saved>.
2, When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
3, And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
4, And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
5, But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6, And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7, And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8, And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9, And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10, Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
19, Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: <New converts do not need to be circumcised after the law of Moses>
20, But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21, For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day <the new converts will learn more because the scriptures are read in the synagogues every Sabbath>.
22, Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23, And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24, Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: <what law are we referring to? The law of Moses; circumcision>

As mentioned above already the Mosaic laws (not God's Law; 10 commandments) that were the cure for sin in the Old Covenant pointing to Jesus have been done away. They were shadows that pointed to Jesus and were fulfilled at the cross. For example with circumcision...........................

Romans 2
28, For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29, But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Now let’s look at the interpretation of Acts 15 where you state; because Gods Sabbath is not mentioned you do not need to keep it...

Now we have shown above already that the CONTEXT of Acts 15 is referring to CIRCUMCISSION as a REQUIREMENT for SALVATION. Circumcision is a requirement under the law of Moses. In fact God’s LAW is not mentioned except for Idolatry as a requirement for the new Gentile converts. WHY? Because Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day v21

This chapter has nothing to do with Gentiles not obeying God’s LAW (10 commandments) it is about CIRCUMCSION in the Mosaic law being a REQUIREMENT for SALVATION v1-5

You state the above because none of God's Law (10 commandments) are mentioned that the Gentiles do not need to follow them.

So UG, if you follow this view through to its logical conclusion, Gentile believers can go kill, steal, covet murder and break all of God’s commandments as long as they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood v20.

I am sure you do not believe this, do you UG? God’s WORD certainly does not teach this as it says those who are living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because those who are practicing SIN have rejected the GIFT of God’s dear son (Hebrews 10:26-27).

Acts 15 says nothing about not needing to obey God's 10 commandments but that circumcision was not a requirement for salvation (CONTEXT) and that Torah was taght in the Synagoges EVERY SABBATH where the new believers would learn more about God's Word.

NOW please if you do not BELIEVE what is posted here state your case why you do not BELEIVE what is presented in this post. If you canot should you not BELIEVE God's Word?

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Hope this helps..

 

[justpassinthrough]

Hello JLB,

Nice to see you. How are you today my friend?

If your posts and scriptures have already been addressed already with more scripture that disagrees with your interpretation of the scriptures provided, I will just post you the post # linked. Maybe you missed the post I do not know. Please understand that just ignoring a post provided you and scriptures posted does not make the scriptures go away because God's Word is forever and it is the Word of God that is to judge us in the last days.

If you disagree please address the post and the scrtiptures provided and your reasons with the scriptures as to why you disagree. So far you have only just been repeating what you have already said the first time and have ignored the posts and scriptures sent to you and not replied to them. So it is difficult to continue in this discussion with you.

Answered already with scriptures. Please see the post # 3085 linked. If you disagree please address each post and the scrtiptures provided in each post and your reasons with the scriptures.


Yet the scriptures say God' ONLY gives His Spirit to those who OBEY HIM (Act 5:32).

In times of ignorance God WINKS at because someone is living up to all the KNOWLEDGE that God has given them. These can continue to walk in God's spirit if they BELIEVE and OBEY all the KNOWLEDGE of God's truth that they KNOW about.

However, if GOD reveals NEW truth to anyone as part of their Christian GROWTH (1 Cor 1:1-2; 1 Pet 2:2) and one does not BELIEVE or reject the Word of God then you have becoem an UNBELIEVER and it is written...

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27)

If you are still in your SINS then you are still under the law and still in your SINS because you have not BELIEVED the Word of God and followed it and do not KNOW him who loves you (1 John 3:6-8; 1 John 2:3-4)

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Hope this helps..

You are now guilty of lying.

You have falsly claimed to hsve adressed my question question about how we are taught to keep the Sabbath in the New Testament.

You have no done so, and your claim that you have makes you out to be a liar.


[FONT=&quot]The[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Sabba[/FONT][FONT=&quot]th is Saturday the seventh day of the week.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]You have claimed yourself we are not under the law of Moses, so the questio[/FONT][FONT=&quot]n is:[/FONT]

• How do the New Testament writers, teach the Church to keep the Sabbath today, under Christ?

[FONT=&quot]This is the only question I have asked you, and you keep saying you have ad[/FONT][FONT=&quot]dressed this question, but all who have observed this thread know that it is just not true.[/FONT]

• Please post the scriptures from thenew testament that teach us specifically how to observe the Sabbath today, under Christ.

[FONT=&quot]Please do not post scriptures about th[/FONT][FONT=&quot]e Sabbath being the seventh day of the week. I agree.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Please do not post [/FONT]Exodus 20:8-11[FONT=&quot] st[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ating that the Sabbath is the seventh Day, and is holy.[/FONT]

• Please just post the new testament scriptures that teach us specifically how to observe the Sabbath today, under Christ.

[FONT=&quot]Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. [/FONT]1 John 3:4

[FONT=&quot]Posting [/FONT]1 John 3:4[FONT=&quot], and claiming this addresses my question, does not teach us ho[/FONT][FONT=&quot]w we are to observe the Sabbath today, under Christ.[/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]JLB[/FONT]

 

[MarcR]

Yet here you are pointing people to yourself saying to all you see and know God's Word but do not see or hear the scriptures.

What is it that you say I have said is not from Gods Word? Where is the Word of God that you say you know?

Earlier you tried to make a case by responding to a post # 2824 linked sent to someone else and wrote your reply in post # 2836 linked by saying that the scriptures used in my earlier post were not referring to God's 10 Commandments.

Then you go on in that same post to try and make out that the post was dishonestly using scripture and my honestly should be questioned.

A response post was then sent to you in post # 2843 linked using scriptures that clearly shows that the verses you thought were NOT referring to God's LAW were indeed talking about the 10 commandments.

Is this is what you are is this what you mean by KNOWING the scriptures. Now you seek to justify yourself with with no scripture. How sad for you. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us.

If your do not know the scriptures how do you know the Word of God? Do you know the scriptures MarcR?





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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Hope this helps..

What is coming from you is NOT SCRIPTURE it is a cultic perversion of Scripture that I am not about to listen to and that others will do well to avoid.

I have yet to see anything from you that comes close to helping.

 

[preacher4truth]

You all have fed the troll(s) so much even Nutrisystem® won't help.

Why not just ignore these false Ellen G White disciples? I mean, they lie for one thing, then they won't even admit to being both SDA and her followers when both are apparently true.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Again, Acts 15 is about not just about circumcision (I have found no biblical scholar that agrees with you on this) but whether they should keep all of the law. The initial discussion was about circumcision but discussion led to the full law as written in the following verses.

Here you go UG, maybe you did read the scriptures which set the CONTEXT of the Chapter......

Acts 15
1, And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2, When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
3, And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
4, And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
5, But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6, And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

Now I think the CONTEXT of the CHAPTER is set now dont you?

The CONTEXT of the CHAPTER is CIRCUMCISION from the law of Moses (written in the book of the Covenant). Now you can choose for yourself to BELIEVE God's WORD of not it is up to you. It is the Word of God and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

Historical fact the Gentiles were not given the Mosaic law nor the 10 Commandments (although they are not separate).The Gentile has a conscience by which he/she is judged, their conscience does give them some understanding of what is right and wrong. Romans 2:14-15…14 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the Law, 15 since they show that the work of the Law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them. Again provide a point in history where God placed the Gentile (born again or not) Under the Mosaic law and the ten commandments

You mix up God's LAW (10 Commandments) with the Mosaic laws written in the book of the law. This is what the OP is about you should read it. This only shows you do not know what the Old Covenant is. If you do not know what the Old Covenant is how can you understand what the NEW Covenant is?

No one is uder the law of Moses but it seems you do not know what the law of Moses is. It is nailed to the cross along with the sins of those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. God's LAW (10 commandments) however are Forever and are the standard of the OLD and NEW Covenants and the Judgement to come

This has already been answered in detail with the scriptures linked in the following posts of your interesed to see why God's Word does not agree with your interpretation of the scriptures.....

Please see posts # 3121; 3129; 3130; 3131; and the OP post 1-2

If you disagree with the above scrioptures in the linked posts above, please address each post and the scrtiptures provided in each post and your reasons with the scriptures and we will continue the conversation. If you cannot why don't you BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word? We should all at least be like the faithful BAREANS to see if these things are so or not, don't you think?

He has indeed placed the regenerated/Born Again Gentile Under Grace. Romans 6:14

No one is born again if they are still practicing KNOWN UNREPENTANT SINS.

If you are still SINNING against Him who LOVES you then you are indeed under the law guilty before God of SIN (Romans 3:19) and need to seek him in REPENTANCE AND FORGIVENESS.

1 John 3
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1John 2
1, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; 3:20; James 2:11)

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Hope this helps..

 

[LoveGodForever]

What is coming from you is NOT SCRIPTURE it is a cultic perversion of Scripture that I am not about to listen to and that others will do well to avoid. I have yet to see anything from you that comes close to helping.

Now MarcR, is that really true?

If you have and know the Word of God then you would share it for all to see but you do not. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth does speak.

Only God's Word is true my friend and we should believe it. If you do not Know God's Word you should seek him who loves you.

God's Word can help all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls them.

Many are called however but few are chosen because they chose not to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who loves them. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed judgement day.

Do you know the scriptures MarcR? Only God's Word is true.

 

[UnderGrace]

Okay lets just stick to one thing.

Please specify where God instructs the Gentiles to keep God's law... the ten commandments?

Here you go UG, maybe you did read the scriptures which set the CONTEXT of the Chapter......

Acts 15
1, And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2, When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
3, And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
4, And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
5, But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6, And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

Now I think the CONTEXT of the CHAPTER is set now dont you?

The CONTEXT of the CHAPTER is CIRCUMCISION from the law of Moses (written in the book of the Covenant). Now you can choose for yourself to BELIEVE God's WORD of not it is up to you. It is the Word of God and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.



You mix up God's LAW (10 Commandments) with the Mosaic laws written in the book of the law. This is what the OP is about you should read it. This only shows you do not know what the Old Covenant is. If you do not know what the Old Covenant is how can you understand what the NEW Covenant is?

No one is uder the law of Moses but it seems you do not know what the law of Moses is. It is nailed to the cross along with the sins of those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. God's LAW (10 commandments) however are Forever and are the standard of the OLD and NEW Covenants and the Judgement to come

This has already been answered in detail with the scriptures linked in the following posts of your interesed to see why God's Word does not agree with your interpretation of the scriptures.....

Please see posts # 3121; 3129; 3130; 3131; and the OP post 1-2

If you disagree with the above scrioptures in the linked posts above, please address each post and the scrtiptures provided in each post and your reasons with the scriptures and we will continue the conversation. If you cannot why don't you BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word? We should all at least be like the faithful BAREANS to see if these things are so or not, don't you think?



No one is born again if they are still practicing KNOWN UNREPENTANT SINS.

If you are still SINNING against Him who LOVES you then you are indeed under the law guilty before God of SIN (Romans 3:19) and need to seek him in REPENTANCE AND FORGIVENESS.

1 John 3
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1John 2
1, My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous

Sin is the transgression of God's LAW (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; 3:20; James 2:11)

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Hope this helps..

 

[LoveGodForever]

Okay lets just stick to one thing.
Please specify where God instructs the Gentiles to keep God's law... the ten commandments?

Now UG do you feel the need to change the subject now and not address any of the posts and scriptures I have just provided you that show your interpretation does not agree with God's Word? It is on the Word of God we stand or fall. It seems you have already fallen as you have decided to ignore all the scriptures and posts just sent to you...

Here you go..........

God's Law (10 commandments) repeated in the New Testament

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; ; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

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God's Israel are those that BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD which is written of our admonition to BELIEVE...

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........................

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

There is a lot of scriptures here and we have not even looked at all the scriptures in the NT on the 10 commandments on which the 4th commandment is one of the ten.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[UnderGrace]

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; ; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

Well if we could resolve this one issue from which you keep avoiding we could discuss the other problems with your theology.

Again none of the scriptures above and I have reviewed them all, clearly have God telling the Gentiles they are now under the ten commandments.

You do know that Jesus was talking to His people not the Gentiles.

The way you apply scripture we should also be eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Jesus for salvation that is in the scripture too.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Well if we could resolve this one issue from which you keep avoiding we could discuss the other problems with your theology.

Again none of the scriptures above and I have reviewed them all, clearly have God telling the Gentiles they are now under the ten commandments.

You do know that Jesus was talking to His people not the Gentiles.

The way you apply scripture we should also be eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Jesus for salvation that is in the scripture too.

Well that is not true whatsoever. Please tell me what SIN is? If you do not know what SIN is how can you know the Gospel?

 

[gb9]

if you do not believe in the Resurrection , and recognize Jesus as Lord and Savior, you do not know the Gospel. because that IS the Gospel.