Not By Works

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Jesus said, "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Jesus equates lust with adultery; hopefully nobody is going to argue about adultery being sin? Oh, wait, they already have :p

It was James who said.
"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
Sure......Lust when it CONCIEVES BRINGS FORTH SIN.....and it seems that a man that LUSTS after a woman has allowed it to concieve.....I can look at a woman and think she is smokin hot but that does not mean i want to have sex with her...and there is a difference.....David looked down upon Bathsheba, thought she was hot and let lust concieve....took her and we all know the end result.
 
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IF YOU CAN SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THAT WORKS ALONE SAVES THEN I WOULD BE GLAD TO ADMIT YOUR FALSE WITNESSING AND IF I PUSH FOR WORKS BECAUSE I PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAWS AND COMMANDS, DO YOU ALSO CALL THE LORD JESUS A WORKS SALVATIONIST?

IF YOU LOVE GOD YOU WILL OBEY HIS COMMANDS AND I HOPE YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT LOVE FOR GOD IS.

STOP REJECTING THE TRUTH AND STOP BEING SELF CENTERED IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE IN THE LOVE OF JESUS.

SALVATION IS NOT ABOUT OUR OWNSELVES OR SELFISHNESS BUT IT IS RATHER SELFLESS.

New International Version 1984 Philippians 2:3-11 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death— even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
It does not matter....works for or works to keep <---both are false!
 

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I love that posth..

that last sentence says it all.
Genesis 32 takes place with Jacob worrying over meeting with Esau, who he's sure is going to kill him. he runs into angels on the road, and sees what he calls 'God's camp' -- but he calls the place "two camps" -- he doesn't camp with God. he feels unworthy. unworthy of God, unworthy of Esau.

he looks to both of them for mercy. he boasts of nothing except God's faithfulness to him - not even that is boasting; he says he is unworthy of it.

and it says, this man overcame

what is it then, to "overcome" ? people always say it's to do with works. i'm not so sure. the only 'works' i see in this chapter are Jacob sending Esau gifts, out of the blessings God had given him.
 
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Sure......Lust when it CONCIEVES BRINGS FORTH SIN.....and it seems that a man that LUSTS after a woman has allowed it to concieve.....I can look at a woman and think she is smokin hot but that does not mean i want to have sex with her...and there is a difference.....David looked down upon Bathsheba, thought she was hot and let lust concieve....took her and we all know the end result.
Missing the point of what was said: He probably did feel lust.

For the record, that was not said by me!

Why do people want to defend such a statement?
 
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"Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire."
Rev 20:15

Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.
Rev 2:11

The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.
Rev 3:5

Jesus is talking about being victorious over struggles when addressing the church.
The implication is those who are not victorious do not receive the promise.

Faith in Christ amen, to completion.

I hope you believe in victory and the struggle, or else your faith will be in vain.
Paul was very concerned that people believed in vain, that his work might come to nothing

By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
1 Cor 15:2

How is this true, what does Paul mean?
There are many teachers and many paths to follow but only one Lord and way.
So I encourage you, listen to Jesus and walk in His way guided by His words and the Holy Spirit, Amen.
No worries Peter....I have trusted Jesus by faith and been born from above.......your use of verbiage is a sure tell....especially the way you spell a few particular words!!
 
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Consider the temptations of Jesus of Nazareth after His baptism by John, Matthew4:1. The devil tempted Jesus 4 times in the wilderness and He did not sin once. If Jesus did sin just one time He would have lost His credentials as the Messiah, but praise God He did not.

And consider this Jesus is God and God cannot sin. Even when we are going through a bible study it is good to approach a study by asking questions and praying for a teachable heart. When the bible is interpreted correctly you will have a correct application. If your interpretation is incorrect so will be "all" of our applications such as, did Jesus ever sin.

Right interpretation = right conclusions. Blue_Lady you get my okay over here
for having a teachable heart who loves our Saviour....:)
I just want to add....JESUS ENDURED 40 DAYS OF TEMPTATION in the wildrerness.....it was after the 40 days we read about the account of the bread, who he is and the kingdoms of the world being offered....we have no idea of all that he endured during the 40 days other than the fact that he was tempted in ALL POINTS AS WE ARE TEMPTED.....Jesus and Adam were identical in flesh and had the ability to sin....obviously the difference...Adam gave in and sinned....Jesus held strong and did not sin.....the 1st and 2nd Adams......One brought sin...the other brought redemption......
 
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The onus of proof is on you to back up your statement.

Please tell me how many moral works of righteousness I need to be sure I am safe when Jesus returns. I do know that Jesus took on all my sins (100%).
One....Believe on Him whom the Heavenly Father sent....saved by faith!
 
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It does not matter....works for or works to keep <---both are false!
“You are light for the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Likewise, when people light a lamp, they don’t cover it with a bowl but put it on a lampstand, so that it shines for everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before people, so that they may see the good things you do and praise your Father in heaven.

To boast in the Holy one of Yisrael the Lord of Host, is honorable.
I Hope you are not telling the congregations of believers to cease in good works. Never are we to dissuade Faith in good works.
Praise from the heart is like bread upon the waters.
I have personally met many a humble persons that have helped me with needs.
It has only been the haughty and arrogant that have turned away when i asked for help with anything including basic necessities. There have even been times where when downtrodden ive even been further beaten by the proud and arrogant.
Even so ive boasted in Christ, that i was counseled to no longer associate with such people. Even if they were my own kin.

The works of kindness ive seen from strangers is as the Lord spoke of as salt of the earth. They see the need and offer a solution.
No matter the circumstance, everyone in Christ should be caring for one another like this.

Carrying on in fruitless discussion about the minutia of speech to justify not doing good works is the enemy sowing tares while a person sleeps in complacency. Similar to the man who would offer prayer instead of water; prayer and water instead of bread;
prayer, water and bread instead of clothing; prayer, water, bread, clothing instead of shelter.

Ive heard what the tares say.
 
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For sure!!

They have no answer, because they know there is no answer, because it is an unBiblical stance that righteous (self) works are part of salvation.



One....Believe on Him whom the Heavenly Father sent....saved by faith!
 

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Jesus you are greater than it all
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Remembrance song

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Missing the point of what was said: He probably did feel lust.

For the record, that was not said by me!

Why do people want to defend such a statement?
I read what she wrote......and yet the verbiage is clear...lust when it concieves BRINGS FORTH SIN......so my question remains....is lust in and if itself sin? According to the above the sin comes when lust is allowed to concieve.....just saying...and obviously I do no believe Jesus sinned.....
 

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For sure!!

They have no answer, because they know there is no answer, because it is an unBiblical stance that righteous (self) works are part of salvation.
Sometimes i wonder how this can even be a debate when the book of Romans exists??

Not by human desire or effort -- is it not written in the book? In the volume of the scroll?
 
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“You are light for the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Likewise, when people light a lamp, they don’t cover it with a bowl but put it on a lampstand, so that it shines for everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before people, so that they may see the good things you do and praise your Father in heaven.

To boast in the Holy one of Yisrael the Lord of Host, is honorable.
I Hope you are not telling the congregations of believers to cease in good works. Never are we to dissuade Faith in good works.
Praise from the heart is like bread upon the waters.
I have personally met many a humble persons that have helped me with needs.
It has only been the haughty and arrogant that have turned away when i asked for help with anything including basic necessities. There have even been times where when downtrodden ive even been further beaten by the proud and arrogant.
Even so ive boasted in Christ, that i was counseled to no longer associate with such people. Even if they were my own kin.

The works of kindness ive seen from strangers is as the Lord spoke of as salt of the earth. They see the need and offer a solution.
No matter the circumstance, everyone in Christ should be caring for one another like this.

Carrying on in fruitless discussion about the minutia of speech to justify not doing good works is the enemy sowing tares while a person sleeps in complacency. Similar to the man who would offer prayer instead of water; prayer and water instead of bread;
prayer, water and bread instead of clothing; prayer, water, bread, clothing instead of shelter.

Ive heard what the tares say.
Read thru the thread and then quit assuming and get back to me with a factual post man.....
 
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For sure!!

They have no answer, because they know there is no answer, because it is an unBiblical stance that righteous (self) works are part of salvation.
Would you quench the Holy Spirit?
the Grace freely given and shown in the favor of all the people.
Faith with Works


They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,

47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people.

And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
 
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Magenta

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For sure!!

They have no answer, because they know there is no answer, because it is an unBiblical stance that righteous (self) works are part of salvation.
They do say that people fall away from faith, which those of us who truly do have faith, find hard to fathom. It seems they see religious but lost people walk away from religion, and think that the unsaved were saved and then lost their salvation, whereas we do not believe such people were saved to begin with.

It is possible and the experience of many, actually, that being brought up in a religious household turned one off the legalism apparent therein, and people have walked away from that, only to be called back at some later point in their life, perhaps while they are seeking the Truth about life, the universe, and everything, including Jesus Christ :) That was certainly my experience: when I went looking for an understanding of Who Jesus was, God showed me in a very powerful way. However, even at that point in my life, I was not ready to accept that God and Jesus and the Bible etc were true. I went to church sporadically over the years, but did not come to believe until many years later.
 

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I read what she wrote......and yet the verbiage is clear...lust when it concieves BRINGS FORTH SIN......so my question remains....is lust in and if itself sin? According to the above the sin comes when lust is allowed to concieve.....just saying...and obviously I do no believe Jesus sinned.....
Jesus equated lust with adultery, and adultery is sin.
 
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So true, I do think as someone once said a while ago there is a bit of a hidden or not so hidden agenda to get people going.

It is baffling I agree.


Sometimes i wonder how this can even be a debate when the book of Romans exists??

Not by human desire or effort -- is it not written in the book? In the volume of the scroll?