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joefizz

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There's a global industry of good works. "Humanitarian" efforts to change the world. Billions of $ are spent and in some cases nothing changes. The world has a lot of works but they are not centered on The Lord. Atheists have works, they believe they can be "good without God" None of those works get them into heaven.
Yeah Atheists tend to be over analystical and think they can do plenty by themselves.
 
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Ralph-

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You're not defensive to the point of bullheadedness. Those are good signs.
Edit.....ANGRY bullheadedness. You're not like that, posthumanoid. Most are though in this thread. They can't calm down and just talk about things. They're constantly offended and blow up.
 

preacher4truth

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Engaging the division causing discord sowing liar again? Better things to do today than that brothers and sisters. Ignore that person and his nonsense, Romans 16:17.
 
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joefizz

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That's what I'm talking about. You people can only be nice when you agree with someone. My point exactly.
More hilarity,as I said I'm similar to post human in that I tend to like people's posts not necessarily in "Agreement" but if I find "truth" in them,it doesn't matter if I agree or not with their view or post for example,Preacher 4 Truth I don't always agree with his posts but I like his posts though are views aren't quite the same,as for how I act,I call people on things,you are no exception I am for God/Jesus if you start "false accusations" you can expect me to be right in the middle,because I stand for Truth not "being nice".
 
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Ralph-

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i would like to see you back up your claims about me...
I'll be honest. I can endure decontroversial and eternally-gratefull and others, but I can't bear to see what you've become and for that reason I want to put you on ignore so I don't have to see it anymore. I can deal with them. You I can't because of the turn you made to the dark side of anger and bullheadedness and defensiveness. I can't help but to think you have been influenced by a certain few pushing their dark gospel of 'doctrine counts, behavior doesn't' here in this thread.

Take this to heart, Mcgee. I'm not hating you. I'm genuinely cut to the heart in the change I've seen in you from your earlier posts here to now. I have a tender spot in my heart for young believers. Your trek of faith through this world is not going to be easy. That's why I care about young people in the faith-been there, done that.
 
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joefizz

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I'll be honest. I can endure decontroversial and eternally-gratefull and others, but I can't bear to see what you've become and for that reason I want to put you on ignore so I don't have to see it anymore. I can deal with them. You I can't because of the turn you made to the dark side of anger and bullheadedness and defensiveness. I can't help but to think you have been influenced by a certain few pushing their dark gospel of 'doctrine counts, behavior doesn't' here in this thread.

Take this to heart, Mcgee. I'm not hating you. I'm genuinely cut to the heart in the change I've seen in you from your earlier posts here to now. I have a tender spot in my heart for young believers. Your trek of faith through this world is not going to be easy. That's why I care about young people in the faith-been there, done that.
Yet you just said"take this to heart" the lie you've told concerning Noname and you are still holding to that lie,who's really being dark and angry here?
 
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Ralph-

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Engaging the division causing discord sowing liar again? Better things to do today than that brothers and sisters. Ignore that person and his nonsense, Romans 16:17.
This 'lying' thing is beginning to annoy me. I am going to start reporting it. You and others are creating an unfavorable environment here for me. I'm sure that's against the rules.

Talk about doctrine. I can handle that. And this is the place to do it, but the atmosphere you're producing with these attacks is making this uncomfortable. I will report it from now on.
 
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Ralph-

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Yet you just said"take this to heart" the lie you've told concerning Noname and you are still holding to that lie,who's really being dark and angry here?
If you are sure you have a legitimate claim against me report it to the mods. I will from this point on report you if you continue to attack me as having lied. All of you.
 
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joefizz

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This 'lying' thing is beginning to annoy me. I am going to start reporting it. You and others are creating an unfavorable environment here for me. I'm sure that's against the rules.

Talk about doctrine. I can handle that. And this is the place to do it, but the atmosphere you're producing with these attacks is making this uncomfortable. I will report it from now on.
Good luck,The moderators here are "level minded" they don't bother with banters.
 
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joefizz

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If you are sure you have a legitimate claim against me report it to the mods. I will from this point on report you if you continue to attack me as having lied. All of you.
Uh huh,and that's supposed to "frighten me " because why?
All I have done here is point out "truth" No name "hasn't changed" you are upset because you are "losing ground" with your doctrine and so resort to "underhandedness" I've seen it before especially in this thread.
 
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joefizz

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why does the BDF do this to so many ppl??

Ralph, i'm not going to put you on ignore. just so you know.
this thread moves too fast for me to keep up with it -- i just pop in when i have some time every so often. so i miss things. i forget to reply to things or they get so buried by new posts that sometimes i feel like it'd be distracting to do so. this isn't quite like all sitting down together over beverages and talking.

whether we agree or not about something doesn't make me want to go to war with you. i'm human like ((most of?)) the rest of us, and i speak out when i should be quiet, talking instead of listening, and do and say foolish things. if i've been rude, forgive me. i kinda go through this website **assuming** people have thick skins and that we can use strong words and tones without wrecking the fellowship we ought to more or less all be sharing. you trust your righteousness to the blood of Christ - that's enough for me to call you brother. brothers fuss and fight, it's natural, but they shouldn't forget their love.

i should be more gentle, and more patient, and more kind. i know that.
lol yes, forever increasing in such things.

((just so you know))
Honestly this is why I like this thread it "weeds out" who is really for God/Jesus,and it's sure to continue for sometime,though it has had bad times with people being hateful with one another but well no where is perfect.
 

stonesoffire

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Look at verse 4. Paul said they had not struggled against sin to the point of blood YET. Few in the church do. But some do. The thief on the cross was one of them. He was suffering horribly but he endured to the end and did not revile and mock Jesus despite his suffering. The other thief did not show any signs of an enduring faith. We know who was saved and who was not by this. We don't even wonder. But some in this thread would have it that we can't tell where saving faith resides by behavior.
But, that scripture about struggling against sin unto blood was not referencing the thief which is what you said. It was Jesus who endured to blood. You said it was the thief.

You made that up.

If you look at all the scriptures together concerning the word enduring in the KJV, you will see about 5 different Greek words for it, and variations on each word. So to get the proper meaning, you look at all the scriptures with that certain Greek word then to get the proper meaning.

Then looking at all the passages about enduring to the end? The question will be, will you still love me with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength when hatred abounds? And will you love your brothers and sisters to the end when there will be those who may give you up to save their own skin?

Its a consider this type of instruction for a time period when we suffer for His name. For human nature being what it is, is capable of anything given the right circumstance, the right amount of pressure, the right timing.

The "thing" is Ralph, Jesus loved everyone of His persecutors as they betrayed Him and gave Him up. Will we do the same?


Some of us or maybe all of us will have some kind of betrayal in life. We don't give up and retreat do we? Do we forgive? That's our question. Will we hold a grudge? Will we continue to love?

Selah
 
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NoNameMcgee

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I'll be honest. I can endure decontroversial and eternally-gratefull and others, but I can't bear to see what you've become and for that reason I want to put you on ignore so I don't have to see it anymore. I can deal with them. You I can't because of the turn you made to the dark side of anger and bullheadedness and defensiveness. I can't help but to think you have been influenced by a certain few pushing their dark gospel of 'doctrine counts, behavior doesn't' here in this thread.

Take this to heart, Mcgee. I'm not hating you. I'm genuinely cut to the heart in the change I've seen in you from your earlier posts here to now. I have a tender spot in my heart for young believers. Your trek of faith through this world is not going to be easy. That's why I care about young people in the faith-been there, done that.
let me see where i was wrong please

i want to see if your claims are even valid...
if it is true ill take it to heart


you say i am

angry
bull headed
closed off
and disrespectful
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Uh huh,and that's supposed to "frighten me " because why?
All I have done here is point out "truth" No name "hasn't changed" you are upset because you are "losing ground" with your doctrine and so resort to "underhandedness" I've seen it before especially in this thread.
the mods have too im sure...

i dont have to go back very far to justify what i have said
 
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Ralph-

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But, that scripture about struggling against sin unto blood was not referencing the thief which is what you said. It was Jesus who endured to blood. You said it was the thief.

You made that up.
I am frustrated to the point of exasperation that you can not grasp the point I was making. I will not attempt to make you understand what I was saying.

You shared what it is that you wanted to share and let's just leave it at that.
 
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Ralph-

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let me see where i was wrong please

i want to see if your claims are even valid...
if it is true ill take it to heart


you say i am

angry
bull headed
closed off
and disrespectful
Just show in your posts from this point forward that you are not those things. this isn't about rubbing your nose in what you've done in the past.
 
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joefizz

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the mods have too im sure...

i dont have to go back very far to justify what i have said
Yeah I'm not even worried about reporting anything,give it some time and people that do this sort of thing "kick their own selves out".
 

preacher4truth

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Report away "Ralph-" many have called you on your lies in this thread.

You've done it numerous times without apology, ignoring what others actually teach, what they really say, then you lie some more and say they said and believe things never said.

That's it, get the mods and report it to them, certainly they are able to see the facts.

"Ralph-" don't simply own up to the several here who have called you on lying, and have asked you to stop lying. Report it instead of repenting. Right? Ignore your own behavior, yes?

That's your fruit right there, lying, not repenting, while preaching to others about having good works. Scripture calls that hypocrisy, right? Take a long hard look at the way you've lied on others here, that you have not apologized or even stopped such behavior, that you continue it, and ignore what others say and pretend they've said the opposite.

Not to mention the name calling and derogation you also practice.

Yet you're preaching how important a changed life is?

Wow, talk about self deception man!
 
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Ralph-

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Report away "Ralph-" many have called you on your lies in this thread.

You've done it numerous times without apology, ignoring what others actually teach, what they really say, then you lie some more and say they said and believe things never said.

That's it, get the mods and report it to them, certainly they are able to see the facts.

"Ralph-" don't simply own up to the several here who have called you on lying, and have asked you to stop lying. Report it instead of repenting. Right? Ignore your own behavior, yes?

That's your fruit right there, lying, not repenting, while preaching to others about having good works. Scripture calls that hypocrisy, right? Take a long hard look at the way you've lied on others here, that you have not apologized or even stopped such behavior, that you continue it, and ignore what others say and pretend they've said the opposite.

Not to mention the name calling and derogation you also practice.

Yet you're preaching how important a changed life is?

Wow, talk about self deception man!
Gather your case and send it to a mod.