Why do so many people think Paul was a false apostle?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Marcelo

Senior Member
Feb 4, 2016
2,359
859
113
73
you call it the Law of Moses,
Law of Moses = Law of God given to the Israelites through Moses.

You still haven't answered my question: Did you add the word CURSE just to match your theology?
 

Grandpa

Senior Member
Jun 24, 2011
11,551
3,190
113
Yes, how could it mean the beleive is not to follo it when Paul himself says to follow it:

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."


Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."


Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."


Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."


1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"


Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"


1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."


Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."


Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."

Maybe Paul is confused in you view? IDK, but I know for sure what Yahshua says:

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of יהוה and possessing the Witness of יהושעMessiah."


Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”


Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”


John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”


John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”


Hebrews 13:7-8, “Remember those leading you, who spoke the Word of יהוה to you. Consider the outcome of their behavior and imitate their belief. יהושע Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.

Not trying to be rude but I know you have Yahshua/Jesus changing, but it says: "
Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever"


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."



Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”


Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."


Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"


You've got things WAY mixed up in your head.

Those verses are saying the OPPOSITE of what you are trying to make them say.

Romans 3:28 [FONT=&quot]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

[/FONT]
That is Paul saying the exact OPPOSITE of what you try to make him say.

Romans 3:31 [FONT=&quot]Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

[/FONT]
Is this Paul saying to work at the law like Judaism does? No. Paul is not saying follow the law here.

Paul is saying we are dead to the law and we are alive to God by faith. It is this faith that establishes THE SPIRITUAL LAW.


Following the law does not establish the law. Paul tells us this over and over but judaizers can't grasp it.

Romans 9:31-32
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Is Paul telling people to follow the law here? No, he isn't. He is saying the same thing he said in Romans 3. A person is justified, a person is righteous, OUTSIDE of the law. Following the law does not cause any of these things.

People who follow the law do not attain to what the law says because they have no ability to do it. But those who are dead to the law and alive to Christ, BY FAITH, do attain to the righteousness of the law. Because it is the work of Christ that causes us to be righteous. It is the work of Christ that causes us to be justified before God.

IF there was a law that could have done any of these things then the Lord Jesus Christ and Paul would have told us.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

If you follow the law then you are frustrating Grace. Do you really think that's a good idea? You would rather be under the law than under Grace, Really?[/FONT]
 

Grandpa

Senior Member
Jun 24, 2011
11,551
3,190
113
2 Peter 3:17-18
[FONT=&quot]17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Its kind of weird that judaizers hardly ever post that verse 18 but verse 17 gets posted a lot.

If growing in Grace and the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ is the solution to NOT being led away with the error of the wicked then FRUSTRATING the Grace of God must be pretty close to what the error of the wicked ACTUALLY is.

Galatians 2:19-21[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Looks like frustrating the Grace of God would be to NOT be dead to the law but still try to follow it in your own understanding.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

What would be the way in which the Jews would call heresy? It would be Christianity. Being dead to the Law and alive to Christ. It would be not following the law in your own understanding but producing fruit through faith in Christ. That would be heresy to the Jews but it would still fall perfectly in line with the prophets and the law.

1 Corinthians 1:27-31
[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.[/FONT]
 
Feb 28, 2016
11,311
2,974
113
obedience to Christ, spoken by Him and by His prophets, are the greatest
challenges of a Christian's Life...
 

Shamah

Senior Member
Jan 6, 2018
2,735
692
113
Law of Moses = Law of God given to the Israelites through Moses.

You still haven't answered my question: Did you add the word CURSE just to match your theology?
I understand the word, and Paul says many times to keep the Law, so if in other places he says do not then there is a bigger issue with Paul.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12-14, “So that the Law truly is holy, and the command holy, and righteous, and good. Therefore, has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But the sin, that sin might be manifest, was working death in me through what is good, so that sin through the command might become an exceedingly great sinner. For we know that the Law is Spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Corinthians 3:7-8, “But if the administering of death in letters, engraved on stones, was esteemed, so that the children of Yisra’yl were unable to look steadily at the face of Mosheh because of the esteem of his face, which was passing away, how much more esteemed shall the administering of the Spirit not be?”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I (Paul) worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."[/FONT]



Also did you subtract Yahshua's words?
 

Shamah

Senior Member
Jan 6, 2018
2,735
692
113
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 9:1-4, "9:1, "Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord?"9:2, "If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you, for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord."9:3, "This is my defense to those who would examine me."9:4, "Do we not have the right to eat and drink?"[/FONT]


Galatians 2:19-21
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."[/FONT]
 

DiscipleDave

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2012
3,095
70
48
If you google Paul false apostle you'll get hundreds of thousands of results. Of course, not all results contain opinions against Paul, but I estimate that at least half of them state that he departed from the true gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

There are also those who don't go to the extreme of calling Paul a false apostle, but regard him as "not completely reliable".


Why do so many people think Paul was a false apostle? Easy, because so many people no longer believe the Word of God and what it says and teaches.


Is there any reason for us to think that Paul's authority is questionable?
Not if you believe the Word of God.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
 

Shamah

Senior Member
Jan 6, 2018
2,735
692
113
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:39, “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 6:63, “It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.” [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, “[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]
 

wolfwint

Senior Member
Feb 15, 2014
3,759
936
113
62
If you google Paul false apostle you'll get hundreds of thousands of results. Of course, not all results contain opinions against Paul, but I estimate that at least half of them state that he departed from the true gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

There are also those who don't go to the extreme of calling Paul a false apostle, but regard him as "not completely reliable".

Is there any reason for us to think that Paul's authority is questionable?
There is no reason for us, but if you questionabel Paul you can also questionabel what he wrote. f.e. without his teachings womanpastorship is no problem.
 

Studyman

Senior Member
Oct 11, 2017
3,570
516
113
If Christians were supposed to keep the Law most of Paul's letters would be completely different.

It's obvious that the Gentiles had absolutely no clue on how to keep the Mosaic law. Even for modern day Christians, who have pocket/purse sized Bibles, it is impossible to keep the whole Law, let alone primitive Gentile Christians. They would need many scrolls containing the Pentateuch translated from Hebrew to their languages, or it would be necessary to put together new books especially designed to help Gentiles keep the Law.

Paul would have gone straight to the point in his letters, saying something like:"Brethren, now that I have provided you with translated copies of the first five books of the Tanakh, read them thoroughly and do not disregard any yodh or tittle from them because the Lord Jesus said no to".
What is fascinating to me is that the serpent's desire was to make Eve disobey God by using God's Own Words. Not all of them mind you, just enough to make its lie seem logical. The Bible says there is no new thing under the sun.

So here we are today, the same serpent with the same desire using the same tactic, using parts of God's Word to make people disobey God. Not all of God's Word mind you, because when you consider all of God's Word, disobedience to God is the reason for His Wrath in the first place. Even Paul knew how essential following God's Instructions are.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
 

Marcelo

Senior Member
Feb 4, 2016
2,359
859
113
73
So here we are today, the same serpent with the same desire using the same tactic, using parts of God's Word to make people disobey God.
Do you keep all 613 commandments of Moses? Of course you don't. You don't even obey the commandments given by Jesus Christ when He was on earth. Have you already sold your possession and given the money to the poor? Of course not! If you had you wouldn't be able to log in.

I am absolutely sure you don't even keep the Sabbath properly, let alone the whole Law.
 

Grandpa

Senior Member
Jun 24, 2011
11,551
3,190
113
1 Corinthians 9:1-4, "9:1, "Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord?"9:2, "If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you, for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord."9:3, "This is my defense to those who would examine me."9:4, "Do we not have the right to eat and drink?"




Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."


Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you (Paul), yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."




Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."
You have a corrupt bible version so I always have to go back and see what the bible REALLY says when you post.

Romans 7:25 [FONT=&quot]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

[/FONT]
How does that occur? How does someone serve the law of God with their mind but the law of sin with their flesh?

How does a person separate a carnal law from a spiritual law?


Its pretty easy, actually. If you fulfil it in your own flesh and understanding then it is a carnal law.

If you must rely on the Holy Spirit to fulfill it then it is a spiritual law. Paul describes this in Romans 7 but judaizers twist these scriptures like they do with most scripture.

Acts 21:25 [FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]As touching the Gentiles which believe[/FONT][FONT=&quot], we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

I guess if you would have posted this one along with Acts 21:24 it would have been unnecessary for you to keep on with your judaizer nonsense.


[/FONT]
Romans 7:12 [FONT=&quot]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

[/FONT]
Yes, so??

Galatians 2:21-22
[FONT=&quot]21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.


[/FONT]
 

Studyman

Senior Member
Oct 11, 2017
3,570
516
113
Do you keep all 613 commandments of Moses? Of course you don't. You don't even obey the commandments given by Jesus Christ when He was on earth. Have you already sold your possession and given the money to the poor? Of course not! If you had you wouldn't be able to log in.

I am absolutely sure you don't even keep the Sabbath properly, let alone the whole Law.
Your scorn does noting to erase the truth in the post I sent you. There has never been 613 laws that God instructed me to keep. Just more of the cleaver, subtle talk of the serpent. If you would have known the God of the Old Testament, you would know Jesus. As He said "If they don't listen to Moses, they won't listen though One rose from the dead.

How great is God/Jesus in their wisdom and foresight into the mind of man. I am in AWE hourly at what He knew about today all those thousands of years ago. God is truly a Great God..
 

Marcelo

Senior Member
Feb 4, 2016
2,359
859
113
73
Your scorn does noting to erase the truth in the post I sent you. There has never been 613 laws that God instructed me to keep.
I'm not scorning you -- I'm just saying that nobody on this planet keeps the law of Moses.
 

Studyman

Senior Member
Oct 11, 2017
3,570
516
113
I'm not scorning you -- I'm just saying that nobody on this planet keeps the law of Moses.
Everybody keeps some of God’s Commandments, your statement is patently false. But you will not be judged by what others do, you will be judged by what you do. Preaching that Paul taught against following God’s Instruction is a falsehood designed to turn people away from the God of the Bible and towards the god of men’s mind. An age old battle that will be fought until He comes back. Our weapons for this war is the Word of God, ALL of them, not just those that can be used to promote religious traditions. Like He said, if we don’t repent of our transgression of God’s Laws, we will all perish.
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
12,318
6,689
113
What is fascinating to me is that the serpent's desire was to make Eve disobey God by using God's Own Words. Not all of them mind you, just enough to make its lie seem logical. The Bible says there is no new thing under the sun.

So here we are today, the same serpent with the same desire using the same tactic, using parts of God's Word to make people disobey God. Not all of God's Word mind you, because when you consider all of God's Word, disobedience to God is the reason for His Wrath in the first place. Even Paul knew how essential following God's Instructions are.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
if you keep reading the letter of Romans, Paul says in the next chapter - '' for no person shall be justified in His sight by the works of the law " chapter 3,v.20, and 21 for that matter.

this cut and paste , with no context and chronological order, is just noise. and attempted ( fail ) deception.

most of us read letters from front to back. I guess needs to study man does not??
 

Marcelo

Senior Member
Feb 4, 2016
2,359
859
113
73
Everybody keeps some of God’s Commandments, your statement is patently false.
Ok, let me edit my statement:

Originally Posted by Marcelo

I'm not scorning you -- I'm just saying that nobody on this planet keeps the WHOLE law of Moses.
The law of Moses is all or nothing -- you can't disregard any single mitzvah.

Again, do you known any person on this planet who keeps the WHOLE law of Moses?
 

Shamah

Senior Member
Jan 6, 2018
2,735
692
113
Ok, let me edit my statement:

The law of Moses is all or nothing -- you can't disregard any single mitzvah.


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."


Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of יהוה and possessing the Witness of יהושעMessiah."

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

Again, do you known any person on this planet who keeps the WHOLE law of Moses?
Psalm 119:11, “I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You.”

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

Hebrews 7:24-25,"but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to YHWH through Him, ever living to make intercession for them."


you can't disregard any single mitzvah.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to Me; Master! Master! will enter into the Kingdom of YHWH, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Master! Master! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practiceiniquity.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]practice” is word #G2038 Strong's Concordance - ergazomai: I work, trade, do, Original Word: ἐργάζομαι, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: ergazomai, Phonetic Spelling: (er-gad'-zom-ahee), Short Definition: I work, trade, do, Definition: I work, trade, perform, do, practice, commit, acquire by labor.[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]iniquity” is word #G458 Strong's Concordance - anomia, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin[/FONT]

 

Marcelo

Senior Member
Feb 4, 2016
2,359
859
113
73
Shamah, you always dump a truckload of verses that don't answer my question: Is there anyone on earth who keeps the whole law of Moses? Yes or No? It's no use keeping part of the Law.
 

Studyman

Senior Member
Oct 11, 2017
3,570
516
113
if you keep reading the letter of Romans, Paul says in the next chapter - '' for no person shall be justified in His sight by the works of the law " chapter 3,v.20, and 21 for that matter.

this cut and paste , with no context and chronological order, is just noise. and attempted ( fail ) deception.

most of us read letters from front to back. I guess needs to study man does not??
That is true, the Jews still taught that it was necessary to follow the Levitical Priesthood Sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. Paul said, as the old testament teaches, that these "works of the Law justified no one. God's Word doesn't work the way you use it. One scripture does not beat up another scripture simply because you can twist it to support ancient church traditions.