GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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MarcR

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No one, has ever said to you Commandment keeping saves anyone. We are only saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest any man should boast.

What is being shared here is that SIN will keep anyone practicing is OUT of God's KINGDOM.

We are only saved by FAITH however if our FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then your faith is dead and you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son.

SIN is breaking God's 10 Commandments. ANYONE knowingly breaking any of God's Commandments who do not REPENT and seek the LORD in Forgiveness will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of Heaven.

God knows that many SIN out of ignorance but when he gives us a KNOWLEDGE of the truth he calls us to REPENT and BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If we choose not to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD then we reject the GIFT of God's dear son and it is written.......

If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
The Gospel is: All sin of All PEOPLE was forgiven as a result of Jesus' suffering; and the ONLY thing that condemns ANYONE is rejecting what Jesus did on our behalf and/or His claim of ownership on your life.
 
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LGF will NOT CONSIDER ANYTHING that contradicts Ellen G White. It is impossible to persuade him of anything.

He should be refuted for the sake of those who are not well grounded in Scripture. However I refuse to respond to him directly; because he puts the authority of E.G.White above the authority of Scripture.

Now MarcR this has to be the funniest thing I think you have ever said.

How can you be well grounded in the scriptures when you do not provide any?

Please prove your claims that I have shared anything BUT the Word of God.

Now if I only share God's Word and you cannot dispute what I share with you should you not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD? Only God's Word is true my friend you either have it or you do not. Seems you do not. This is sad for you.

If you disagree with anything I have written or shared please state your case and explain why you disagree and post your supporting scriptures as I do for you. If you cannot then all your words are empty because only God's Word is true.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Hope this helps.
 
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The Gospel is: All sin of All PEOPLE was forgiven as a result of Jesus' suffering; and the ONLY thing that condemns ANYONE is rejecting what Jesus did on our behalf and/or His claim of ownership on your life.
Now MarcR,

I did expect more from you my friend. How can you know Jesus if you do not KNOW what the Gospel is?

I thought you said you were well grounded in the scriptures?
 

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LGF will NOT CONSIDER ANYTHING that contradicts Ellen G White. It is impossible to persuade him of anything.

He should be refuted for the sake of those who are not well grounded in Scripture. However I refuse to respond to him directly; because he puts the authority of E.G.White above the authority of Scripture.
I don't even read his posts since the point where he told me the Decalogue is the gospel. Other people in the thread may be still worth the effort to talk to.

I do like his avatar, though interestingly it depicts armour that is typical of what would be intended only for ceremonial use, not actual battle.

With God all things are possible. Not with man.
He is the one who leads camels through needles :)
 

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The Gospel is: All sin of All PEOPLE was forgiven as a result of Jesus' suffering; and the ONLY thing that condemns ANYONE is rejecting what Jesus did on our behalf and/or His claim of ownership on your life.
Also by not obeying Him:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 6:46, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say?”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]
 
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I don't even read his posts since the point where he told me the Decalogue is the gospel
Where did I tell you that the Decalogue is the Gospel? If I have said no such things to you why do you bear false witness against your neighbore? What is your interpretation of the Gospel?

Only God's Word is true and we should believe and Follow it.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Hope this helps.
 

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The law was not for the righteous (Jesus) but for sinners, the ones who claimed to keep it opposed Jesus. Those of you who claim to keep the law are actually keeping arguments about the law, rather than keeping yourselves in the Love of God, and nether can others help you, it has become a prison. "I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live." It was to expose us as sinners, to bring us to Christ. I was a religious achiever living in fear of being lost for years...
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."[/FONT]
 

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About the fear of being lost: fear of death, is what kept us in bondage. Jesus delivered us from the fear of death. We die with Him, in His body, in hope of the resurrection. Neither will you be able to teach those who have died with Christ to be in fear of death and under the law. Being dead with Christ we are in hope of resurrection by the Holy Spirit dwelling in us and teaching us, the Love of God. "You need not any man to teach you for you have the anointing dwelling in you to teach you." The Love of God poured out in our hearts, the fulfilment of the law that we still don't attain not yet in the resurrection. Being dead to sin and alive to God. "A dead man is free from sin."
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]
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Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]
 

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You people who thing you know the law are trying to teach the dead to obey. Good luck with that.
So why are the people who claim to obey the risen Christ still DEAD ? Why are they not availing themselves of the power of His Holy Spirit and LIVE ? simple....because they are stubbornly DISobedient to His Word and refuse to turn !

WAKE UP ! you who are asleep and Christ shall give you light ! NOW ! is the time to awake from sleep....see the scriptures ?
 

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Those of you who think you know the law, trying to teach the dead to obey, good luck with that.
"We have died with Christ," It's Jesus who Lives, are you going to try and teach Him to obey the Law.

"Go in all the world proclaim the good news to all nations, he that believes and is immersed will be saved."
Immersed in the death of Christ: dying to our old life, not trying to fulfil the law, but "Dead to the law by the Body of Christ."
What must we do that we might work the work of God? This is the work of God that you believe on Him whom He has sent.
Believe: follow after, "Whoever comes after Me, let him deny himself, take up the cross daily and follow Me."
Take up the cross: accepting our sentence of death. "We had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves but in God who raises the dead." This happened in conflict with religious leaders:
Acts 14:4 "The people of the city were divided; some sided with the Jews, others with the apostles."
For you to be correct there would have been no conflict, they would all live like the Jews and there would be no multitude of the city divided, and it would not mater if you believe in Jesus to be saved. "Blindness in part is happened to Israel until the fullness of the gentiles is come in. " I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy,"
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 6:46, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say?”[/FONT]
 

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I understand that I'm commanded to Love my enemies and it's not the Law or about law. But about the New commandment of the New covenant: "A new commandment I give to you, that you Love one another; as I have Loved you that you Love one another." Its about growing in Love of god and suppose it mean walking away and letting you win. Yes I am not to fight against you I understand that even though the Truth is not in our understanding.
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:24, "As for you, let that stay in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning stays in you, you also shall stay in the Son and in the Father."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]




“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 4:4, “But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].” (Deut 8:3)[/FONT]





[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…" [/FONT]
 
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Originally Posted by Deade


Hello gb9,

Sure Moses meant exactly what he said. You keep ignoring one fact: The Sabbath was not established under Mosaic law but at creation. The 4th Commandment starts with "Remember the Sabbath." We are honoring the creation of God. The same Jesus established the Sabbath, why would He change it? Hebrews 13:8: “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”

Yours,

Deade

Rest was established at creation.The ritual of sabbath was established under mosaic law.
The Lord Jesus says "Come to me and I will give you rest" He doesn't say "come to me and I will give you the ritual of sabbath observance." Right?
Grandpa your post is only a play on words and has no truth in scripture. The following questions should help you.

Who was this rest made for?

Who was the 7th day made Holy for?

Why was the 7th day blessed for?

Who was the 7th day set aside for?

Here is a hint here; Mark 2:27-28

Now enough. God said it and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW what he says. For your own sake BELIEVE and FOLLOW HIM who calls you. SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments. If we break one we are guilty of breaking all of them.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 

gb9

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Grandpa your post is only a play on words and has no truth in scripture. The following questions should help you.

Who was this rest made for?

Who was the 7th day made Holy for?

Why was the 7th day blessed for?

Who was the 7th day set aside for?

Here is a hint here; Mark 2:27-28

Now enough. God said it and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW what he says. For your own sake BELIEVE and FOLLOW HIM who calls you. SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments. If we break one we are guilty of breaking all of them.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
nope. sin is missing the mark. knowing to do good and not doing so.

and since gentiles never had the law, they were never commanded to keep the Sabbath.
 

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Interpretation is consistent in the bible: given in one place apply elsewhere; but we need to examine correctly and not jump to conclusion and think we know, if we think we know we stop learning. "If any man thinks He knows he doesn't know as He should." When Jesus said, "beware of the leaven of the Pharisees," "They understood He meant beware of the teaching of the Pharisees". It was pride of achievement that made their teaching sin. Otherwise another parable about the kingdom of God being like leaven hid in tree measures of bread until the whole is leavened, is interpreted wrong. The leaven of the people is pride of accomplishment: unleavened bread meant that we had to unlearn, purge out old teaching: "Lean not on your understanding but trust in the Lord." Not think like the religious leaders who said they see and remained blind: but to become teachable "As a little child." The new leaven is the preaching of "Faith that works by Love."
For an example of interpretation: had a dream, walking through a field: do you get any interpretation for field? "The field is the world." Jesus giving an interpretation. Walking through the field in the dream, represented the world we overcome through Christ. Then in the dream realized there was an evil spirit shooting at me, putting me in fear and I stopped moving forward and fled for my life. Unless we are in the Fear of God: in admiration worship, we will not have the rightful place for fear in our life, fear is not of Faith. Then I was watching a vision in the dream, the evil spirit was trying to put a yoke on a big ox to make it work for Him, referred as the yoke of bondage in the bible, but the yoke was to small and would not fit. It was cruel to watch him slam this U shape yoke on the animal to try and make it fit across its back. It woke me up thinking, this is not of God He would not show me something so cruel, I got to forget this. Then the interpretation came, I was the big ox. Because I feared for my life, gave a foot hold for the enemy to try and bring me in bondage again; but I had grown by God's word so the former bondage would not fit: I had outgrown it. There is more to this dream, years later about receiving armour... Why I was represented as ox: the four creatures in revelation represent the image of God we are created in. The face as a lion represents Him as King, and the leader personality in man. The face as an ox, is the servant but is old testament: in Ezekiel. The face of a calf is the one in revelation, representing entering in as a little child and not with pride of accomplishment. 12 years ago the Lord told me: Enter in as a little child and put away your divide spirit. The servant personality is also the most prone to idolatry, Israel His servant worshiped the creature (golden calf) more than the creator. The Face as of man: friend of man, son of man: the most animated character trait, the face as a flying eagle: Son of God. Our personality is defined by our 2 strongest traits. Ends up 12 different personalities. The face as a flying eagle is the most introverted personality and represents our inner journey in relationship with God. "They that wait on the Lord shall renew strength, they shall mount up with wings as eagles... (Because someone is introverted doesn't mean they are close to God. We tainted the image of God and died in our sin). The order of the four gospels is the same order the four living creatures are mentioned as well. Matthew reveals Jesus as king and shows his genealogy as King, Mark as servant, Luke as son of man and the genealogy goes to Adam, and John as Son of God. A king, a servant, a friend of man and a friend of God. The servant is the richest trait both introverted and introverted, Jesus came as a servant first and as King next. David was a servant before he was King and learned from the old king not to be like Him, until He was in charge of the whole kingdom and corrupted by power for a moment fell to Bathsheba. God's sentence, "From now on you will have wars,". David had failed to go to war when he fell. Other times at war He turned to God for help. "Wars are appointed until the end." The face as lion and as eagle are both leader personalities, one extroverted one introverted. Let's not jump to conclusion and think that we know what we are talking about: the face as a man is the most animated and most shallow personality trait, but we need to show ourselves friendly to have friends. lol