Law of God vs. Law of Moses

[lightbearer]

Re: Law of God vs. Law of Moses; He that have the Ear let him hear

Do you believe 10 commandment is New covenant?

This is what I know.
There is a difference between the book of the Law which is called the Law of Moses and the Ten Commandments. One was penned by Moses through GOD and placed on the side of the Ark as a witness against us due to the judgements contained therein. And the other was written on Tables of Stone by the finger of GOD and placed on the inside of the Ark as a Testimony; the Body of Christ, the Temple of GOD. For the Lord thy GOD will circumcise our hearts and the hearts of our seed. Not in tables of stone but the fleshly tables of our hearts.

Able bodied ministers. Not of the letter but of the Spirit. Not that that our sufficiency is of our selves but of GOD! For it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. As JESUS said, "HE doeth the Work" through us.

So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (the Divine utterances; Christ the Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law.) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: (that thou mayest do it). That is, the word of faith, which we preach and that is the GOSPEL!

Do you see and agree with the above?

I have to go for now. May the LORD bless us and Keep us in HIS Word; Jesus Christ.

 

[LoveGodForever]

i read it. I just don't agree with the post.

if ind your understanding of old and new covenant to be lacking the full counsel of God.

you believe my understanding to be lacking.

let us be honest and frank with one another.

i agree there is a difference between the ten commandments and the ceremonial laws.

i have stated we should keep the laws of God.

do you believe when i make that statement, I am saying we should keep the ceremonial laws?

i believe i do understand what you are saying and in part i agree. we no no longer sacrifice animals to cover our sins for we have Jesus as our Passover Lamb.

however I don't believe you understand what I am saying: Jesus came and gave us a new commandment.

do you know it? do you live it?

What is it you do not agree with in post # 35 linked. It is pretty much all scripture. If you disagree with it please adress the post and the scriptures provided in the post. Simply saying it is wrong because you say so only says you cannot deny the scriptures that are presented and you choose your Word over God's Word.

Please by all means if you disagree state your case as to why you disagree and and supply your scriptures. You just cant say I disagree without posting why.

It is God's Word not mine that says the Old Covenant is God's LAW (10 commandments) and the Mosaic laws written in the book of the covenant. Both indeed had different roles. One is forever the other shadows of things to come.

How can you know what the New Covenant is if you do not understand what the Old Covenant is?

SIN will keep all who practice it out of the Kingdom of Heaven. If you have lost your mirror and your lamp has gone out how can you find your way when the road is narrow?

 

[Ariel82]

i do not hold to the legalistic interpretation of the Law.

men have misused the commandment to "obey your mother and father" to justify raping their daughters.

i believe God gave the Sabbath for man. He did not create men in order to keep the Sabbath.

The New Covenant does not demand less from God's people but MORE.

the Old Covenant demanded 10%, the New demands 100% (I can give scriptures if needed)

The Old covenant demanded one day out of seven, the New demands EVERY DAY AND EVERY BREATHE TO PRAISE GOD UNCEASINGLY.

do you agree or disagree that God demands of His new covenant people 100%?

 

[LoveGodForever]

i do not hold to the legalistic interpretation of the Law.

men have misused the commandment to "obey your mother and father" to justify raping their daughters.

i believe God gave the Sabbath for man. He did not create men in order to keep the Sabbath.

The New Covenant does not demand less from God's people but MORE.

the Old Covenant demanded 10%, the New demands 100% (I can give scriptures if needed)

The Old covenant demanded one day out of seven, the New demands EVERY DAY AND EVERY BREATHE TO PRAISE GOD UNCEASINGLY.

do you agree or disagree that God demands of His new covenant people 100%?

You have not answered my question but only seek to change the subject. I am happy to answer your questions after you have answerd mine.

What is it you do not agree with in post # 35 linked. It is pretty much all scripture. If you disagree with it please adress the post and the scriptures provided in the post. Simply saying it is wrong because you say so only says you cannot deny the scriptures that are presented and you choose your Word over God's Word.

Please by all means if you disagree state your case as to why you disagree and and supply your scriptures. You just cant say I disagree without posting why.

Otherwise your just denying the scriptures and the Word of God and provide no reason for your actions.

 

[valiant]

You indeed do not know what the Old Covenant is and is the reason I asked the question. How can you know what the New covenant is if you do not understand the Old Covenant?

The old covenant was made with Israel (Exod 12.1). It was a physical covenant made with a physical people, with Israel, combining ritual and moral. It contained stipulations made only to them. The New Covenant was made with all who believe, and was a better covenant made on better promises. It was for all. It was not based upon law but upon love. See Rom 3.21 onwards.

 

[Ariel82]

What is it you do not agree with in post # 35 linked. It is pretty much all scripture. If you disagree with it please adress the post and the scriptures provided in the post. Simply saying it is wrong because you say so only says you cannot deny the scriptures that are presented and you choose your Word over God's Word.

Please by all means if you disagree state your case as to why you disagree and and supply your scriptures. You just cant say I disagree without posting why.

It is God's Word not mine that says the Old Covenant is God's LAW (10 commandments) and the Mosaic laws written in the book of the covenant. Both indeed had different roles. One is forever the other shadows of things to come.

How can you know what the New Covenant is if you do not understand what the Old Covenant is?

SIN will keep all who practice it out of the Kingdom of Heaven. If you have lost your mirror and your lamp has gone out how can you find your way when the road is narrow?

my husband is fussy at me so I have to tend to real life but the things i disagree with is the demand that people keep the 4th day Sabbath mainly.

i have given my reason why. i believe people should worship God every day as they did on the Sabbath, but for those who choose to keep it God is fine with. for those who choose to worship daily, God is good with that to. just as some are called to eat meat and some are called not to. God tells each of us what we should do. we should not condemn others for not doing what God has told us but look instead at what God has called us to do and observe.

i can get scriptures shortly.

 

[Ariel82]

a demand to be answered but not having the respect to listen and answer back is a sign of immaturity.

also patience is a virtue.

it takes time to pray and type and respond and read what is written. this is the internet. i don't see your post until after i push send.

 

[Ariel82]

Romans 14
Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master[SUP]a[/SUP] that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.5One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.10Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11for it is written,“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess[SUP]b[/SUP] to God.”
12So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

 

[Ariel82]

[h=1]1 Thessalonians 5:16-18English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][FONT=&quot]16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.[/FONT]

 

[louis]

To whom were the laws addressed? Answer: To a Bronze age uneducated, slave class of individuals.
While there would be numerous enlightened Judeans over the next millennia, the vast majority of Judeans, nevertheless, remained carnal in all their doings. This is easily verified in the books of Isaiah, and Jeremiah.
As such, carnal laws were necessary for the carnally inclined.
In fact, the same such laws are necessary today in society, as the vast majority of society is carnally inclined.

 

[Ariel82]

If you don't know how you can keep God's Sabbath every day, then you don't truly know what it means to keep it at all or why God tells us its so important to keep.

the Feast of Weeks, the Year of Jubilee.

can you imagine if we as Christians kept the year of Jubilee and forgave everyone all their debt?

what kind of statement do you think that would make to the world?

 

[Jackson123]

Re: Law of God vs. Law of Moses; He that have the Ear let him hear

This is what I know.
There is a difference between the book of the Law which is called the Law of Moses and the Ten Commandments. One was penned by Moses through GOD and placed on the side of the Ark as a witness against us due to the judgements contained therein. And the other was written on Tables of Stone by the finger of GOD and placed on the inside of the Ark as a Testimony; the Body of Christ, the Temple of GOD. For the Lord thy GOD will circumcise our hearts and the hearts of our seed. Not in tables of stone but the fleshly tables of our hearts.

Able bodied ministers. Not of the letter but of the Spirit. Not that that our sufficiency is of our selves but of GOD! For it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. As JESUS said, "HE doeth the Work" through us.

So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (the Divine utterances; Christ the Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law.) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: (that thou mayest do it). That is, the word of faith, which we preach and that is the GOSPEL!

Do you see and agree with the above?

I have to go for now. May the LORD bless us and Keep us in HIS Word; Jesus Christ.

If I understand correctly you do not believe 10 commandment is New commandment, am I correct?

 

[LoveGodForever]

my husband is fussy at me so I have to tend to real life but the things i disagree with is the demand that people keep the 4th day Sabbath mainly.

So you agree with post # 35 linked but you do not agree with God's 4th Commandment?

You have not asnwered the question or provided any reasons because you have not provided any scriptures or adressed the linked post again.

If you agree with the linked post above then you would know that in the OLD Covenant is made up of two sets of laws; 1. God's LAW (10 commandments) and the 2. Mosaic laws and ordinances written in the book of the law of Moses. Together they make up the Old Covenant.

God's LAW, the scriptures say are FOREVER and are the standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS, the KNOWLDGE of Good and EVIL (Romans 3:20; Ps 119:172).

While the Mosaic laws and ordinances for the remission of SIN were the Shadows pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation (Col 2:14-17).

Please show how you disagree with any of the above with scriptures and if GOd's LAW (10 Commandments) are FOREVER like the scriptures state and the standard of what SIN is how can you so away with the 4th Commandment when if it one of the 10 Commandments and like all the rest in the NEW Covenant fulfilled in LOVE?

Where does it say in God's Word that God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW and those who practice SIN will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Romans 14
Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master[SUP]a[/SUP] that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.5One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.10Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11for it is written,“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess[SUP]b[/SUP] to God.”
12So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

And where in Romans 14 does it say it is talking about God's 4th Commandment ? You still have not addressed post # 35 I see.

 

[LoveGodForever]

If you don't know how you can keep God's Sabbath every day, then you don't truly know what it means to keep it at all or why God tells us its so important to keep.

the Feast of Weeks, the Year of Jubilee.

can you imagine if we as Christians kept the year of Jubilee and forgave everyone all their debt?

what kind of statement do you think that would make to the world?

My friend do you know what God's 4th Commandment is? I thought you read post # 35 and agree with it and know the difference between God's LAW and the Mosiac laws written in the book of the Covenant?

 

[Marcelo]

LoveGodForever, you didn't answer my question:

Where in the Bible is it stated that the Ten Commandments are different from the other 603 laws with respect to validity period?

 

[LoveGodForever]

LoveGodForever, you didn't answer my question:

Where in the Bible is it stated that the Ten Commandments are different from the other 603 laws with respect to validity period?

Now Marcelo you want scripture but when it is sent to you then you do not read them. Here are a few scriptures showing how 1. God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the Mosaic book of the law are different as well as the purpose of each of these under the Old covenant.


God commanded Moses to keep these laws separated in the Ark of the Covenant that made up the Old Covenant. God's LAW (10 commandments) were placed inside the Ark and the Mosaic book of the law was placed at the side of the Ark of the Covenant

Let's look at the scriptuires.............

God's LAW was written and made by God alone and notthing was to be added to it and the Mosaic law was made and written by Moses as directed by God in a book. God's LAW (10 commandments) was placed in the Ark of the Covenant. While the Mosaic book of the law was plaved in the side of the Ark of the covenant (Ex 32:16; 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Ps 119:172; James 2:8-12; Hebrews 8:10-12; Gal 3:24; Deut 5:22; Ex 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4Ecc 3:14; God's LAW; Ex 25:16; Deut 10:5; Ecc 3:14; Book of the law; Deut 31:26; Col 2:14-17).

It is true indeed that both God's LAW and the Mosaic laws written in the book of the covenant collectively have the 613 commands. This being said both Gods' LAW and the Mosaic laws for remission of sin have a different purpose.

The purpose of God's LAW written on stone and the Mosic laws written in the book

1) God’s Law (10 commandments)
Purpose; reveals what sin and righteousness (Good and Evil) is and describes the penalty for sin (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come. (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 31:18; 31:18; Exodus 20:1-22; Deuteronomy 10:5; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 7:19; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1 John 3:5-8; 1 John 2:3-4; Ecclesiastes 3:14)

(2) The laws of Moses (Levitical, ceremonial, sacrificial)
Purpose; was the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings for sin, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and provided a cure for sin through animal sacrifice and food and drink offerings and yearly sin atonement's for God’s people. (Leviticus 1:1-13; Leviticus 23:1-44; Numbers 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 24:10-11; Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 31:24-26; Colossians 2:16-16; Hebrews 10:1; Ephesians 2:14-15; Leviticus 4; 5; 6; Hebrews 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; not exhaustive there are many more).

Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross and shadows of things to come......

Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the Savior of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Colossians 2:14; Ephesians 2:15; John 3:16).

So just as the Mosaic laws for remission of SIN are have a difference purpose to God's Law (10 commandments) they are all temporary Shadows because they were all pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation, God's Law is not temporary they are the manifestation of the Character of God through LOVE and are FOREVER. God's LAW was written and made by God alone on two tables of stone and spoken by God himself to his people and nothing was to be added to it. (God's LAW; Ex 32:16; 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4; Exodus 20; Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Ps 119:172; James 2:8-12; Hebrews 8:10-12; Gal 3:24; Deut 5:22; Ex 34:28; Deut 10:4 Ecc 3:14; Ex 25:16; Deut 10:5)

It is called God's LAW or the 10 Commandment, because he was the one alone who made it and commanded Moses to keep in separated from the book of the law in the Ark of the Covenant (Neh 10:29; Deut 10:4-5; Deut 31:25-26; Deut 4:13; Ex 34:28)

God's LAW was not made by Moses it was made by God alone on two tables of stone and nothing was to be added to it and it was to be separated from the Mosaic book of the law. That is why it is referred to in the scriptures as God's LAW or the 10 commandments (not the 613).

The Mosaic law was made and written and spoken by Moses as directed by God in the book of the covenant. (Mosaic Book of the law; Deut 31:9; Ex 24:3-4; Deut 31:24-27; Col 2:14-17).

God not only commanded Moses to keep the 10 Commandments separated from the Mosaic book of the law in the Ark of the Covenant (Deut 10:5; 31:25-26 nothing was to be added to it (Deut 4:1-2; Deut 5:22)

God makes a distinction between the 10 Commandments and the book of the law of Moses….

2 Kings 21
8, Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them.

Do we need more scripture................

Please read post # 35 linked

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Hope this helps

 

[newton3003]

No. The Law of Moses is the Law of God.

 

[Ariel82]

matthew 10
34“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. 37Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it

 

[Ariel82]

Jesus reestablishes the ten commandments in His sermon on the mount. there is a difference between ceremonial laws and spiritual laws. Jesus showed that committing adultery is not just a physical at but can be commit by lusting after another man's wife.

people who hold to a legalistic persepective will not truly understand what the new covenant is because they want to be justified by their external works and not see that God's new covenant calls people to be MORE accountable to the law.

God doesn't just look on the outside but also the inside.

God's laws show us how we are sinners and still need grace and forgiveness daily because we can't keep the law without the help of the Holy Spirit.

we believe so many lies of the world and we sin when we out of pride speak instead of love.

some claim that its not a sin but God says it is and that we need to pray and ask God to help us overcome. We know He has forgiven us already but we NEED God to teach us His truth and strengthen in His ways to resist the temptations of this world and destroy the strongholds in our own minds and lives that war against the wisdom and knowledge of God.

that humbleness and honesty.

did you know why common sense is not so common?

the Bible says its a gift from God to the honest.

when we know this, then we shouldn't be surprised by the lack of "common" sense.