Is the great biblical flood real or not?
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There is a Christian science based multinational organization at creation.com. They have many scientists refuting atheism and proving the Bible especially Genesis.
Here is an example of one of their documents.
Five Atheist Miracles is Required for Evolution
http://creation.com/five-atheist-miracles
They have multiple documents proving the flood by looking at geological formations including the Grand Canyon. It was created in a day.
Here is an example of one of their documents.
Five Atheist Miracles is Required for Evolution
http://creation.com/five-atheist-miracles
They have multiple documents proving the flood by looking at geological formations including the Grand Canyon. It was created in a day.
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Can you show any Scriptures that indicates it is not an accurate account of an historical event, or is that merely YOUR opinion, based on facts that you read and hear from scientists?
Gen_6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Tell me, so you believe Scriptures? Did God say to Noah the above, or not? You either believe Scriptures or you don't. God either said the above or He didn't say the above to Noah. True Christians believe the Word of God and what it says and teaches. false christians do not believe Scriptures but freely choose to believe men over what Scriptures teach.
Gen_6:22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.
This verse plainly teaches that God COMMANDED Noah to do all those things God told Noah to do. Do you believe this verse or this yet another verse that you seem to think needs to be discarded as not being the TRUTH?
Parables are stories to learn a spiritual lesson. The historical event concerning Noah and the flood is not read like a parable, but is in fact read as Historical account of what God did to the Earth. If you do not believe Scriptures concerning this topic, there must be many Scriptures that you deem not TRUE. Is it any wonder you are devoid of the TRUTH and it eludes you? A person must first believe the Word of God is TRUE and Accurate, before God will reveal Truths to that person. If you do not believe the Historical account of the Flood, which is plainly written as a Historical account, how will you believe harder things in Scriptures? You can't believe the simple things in Scriptures, how can you possibly grasp the harder things? The Flood happened, because that is what the Word of God says happened. Children understand this Truth.
lol, isn't that what Atheists teach as well "Nobody in their right minds would teach an obvious absurdity today that an invisible God exists" lol.
Don't care when it happened, i just know that it did happen.
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DiscipleDave
Gen_6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Tell me, so you believe Scriptures? Did God say to Noah the above, or not? You either believe Scriptures or you don't. God either said the above or He didn't say the above to Noah. True Christians believe the Word of God and what it says and teaches. false christians do not believe Scriptures but freely choose to believe men over what Scriptures teach.
Gen_6:22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.
This verse plainly teaches that God COMMANDED Noah to do all those things God told Noah to do. Do you believe this verse or this yet another verse that you seem to think needs to be discarded as not being the TRUTH?
Parables are stories to learn a spiritual lesson. The historical event concerning Noah and the flood is not read like a parable, but is in fact read as Historical account of what God did to the Earth. If you do not believe Scriptures concerning this topic, there must be many Scriptures that you deem not TRUE. Is it any wonder you are devoid of the TRUTH and it eludes you? A person must first believe the Word of God is TRUE and Accurate, before God will reveal Truths to that person. If you do not believe the Historical account of the Flood, which is plainly written as a Historical account, how will you believe harder things in Scriptures? You can't believe the simple things in Scriptures, how can you possibly grasp the harder things? The Flood happened, because that is what the Word of God says happened. Children understand this Truth.
lol, isn't that what Atheists teach as well "Nobody in their right minds would teach an obvious absurdity today that an invisible God exists" lol.
Don't care when it happened, i just know that it did happen.
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DiscipleDave
Do you know what i have learned concerning study of the Hebrew and Greek. That those who are not taught by the Holy Spirit try to seek other ways to learn TRUTHS concerning the Word of God, therefore instead of seeking God in prayer through the Holy Ghost, these take it upon themselves to seek TRUTH some other way, such as through the Hebrew and Greek. i know full well, because i was one of those people. i studied Hebrew and Greek, i took verses to the original texts. All of it dung compared to what the Holy Spirit of Truth can teach a person. All those hours of studying Hebrew and Greek, moot, total waste of time and effort. It was an attempt to try to learn the TRUTH of Scriptures via my own intellect, my own studies. DUNG. The Holy Ghost taught me more in 5 minutes than all my studying Hebrew and Greek. Woe to this generation who seek Truth and understanding via their own intellect, their own methods, their own means. God reveals to whom God reveals. But woe to them who seek Truth some other way, such as the Hebrew and Greek. Such teaching can and does turn actually Historical events into dreams and allegory. These, even as myself back then, are devoid of the TRUTH of God, because they sought TRUTH via their own means, and not through the Spirit of Truth. Woe to them indeed.
But it my hope that one day the Holy Spirit of God will open up the Scriptures to them, and then they will realize even as i did, that all their study of Hebrew and Greek is but a pile of DUNG. But as long as a person continue to believe in the Hebrew and Greek, via their own studies, will continue to believe that which is DUNG, devoid of the Holy Ghost.
People who rely on the Hebrew and Greek to gain TRUTHs will never find it.
People who rely on the Holy Ghost to gain TRUTH, if they are patient enough, will indeed find it.
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DiscipleDave
But it my hope that one day the Holy Spirit of God will open up the Scriptures to them, and then they will realize even as i did, that all their study of Hebrew and Greek is but a pile of DUNG. But as long as a person continue to believe in the Hebrew and Greek, via their own studies, will continue to believe that which is DUNG, devoid of the Holy Ghost.
People who rely on the Hebrew and Greek to gain TRUTHs will never find it.
People who rely on the Holy Ghost to gain TRUTH, if they are patient enough, will indeed find it.
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DiscipleDave
RED: It depends on your understanding of the word 'earth'.
In Exodus 10:5 a plague of Locusts "covered the face of the whole earth."
Quite clearly the locusts did not cover the whole globe, they only covered the land of Egypt and then probably not all of it.
In Numbers 22:5,11 we read that after the Israelites were delivered from Egypt and settled in Canaan they "Covered the face of the earth."
This is simply their way of saying they occupied the land in which they were dwelling.
When Cain went to the Land of Nod the Bible says "Behold thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Gen 4:14) The earth for him was the place where he lived.
In Exodus 10:5 a plague of Locusts "covered the face of the whole earth."
Quite clearly the locusts did not cover the whole globe, they only covered the land of Egypt and then probably not all of it.
In Numbers 22:5,11 we read that after the Israelites were delivered from Egypt and settled in Canaan they "Covered the face of the earth."
This is simply their way of saying they occupied the land in which they were dwelling.
When Cain went to the Land of Nod the Bible says "Behold thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Gen 4:14) The earth for him was the place where he lived.
Many people do not believe the Word of God but choose to believe the interpretations of excellent educated people. These same people love to hold on to New Versions of the Bible that the last days generation produces. So even though these same people have read the story, they do not believe it to be True, because they do not believe the Word of God but choose to believe men who say what the Word of God means.
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DiscipleDave
And saying such a thing is from God or who? Are you trying to encourage or belittle?
Sure they do. But it is apparent you do not know what stance i take on other versions of the Bible. i teach that any version that can bring a person to the Lord Jesus Christ can't be a bad version. If you want to continue to assume what i believe concerning different versions then continue to do so, or you can see what i believe concerning different versions by clicking HERE.
For 400 years there has been no problems with the KJV at all, it was not until the last day generation had access to the original texts Hebrew/Greek, that the validity of the KJV came into question. A person would read a verse in the KJV and if they did not agree with what that verse plainly and clearly said that is when they would take that particular verse to the original Hebrew or Greek, and entirely CHANGE the meaning of that verse to fit into something that that person would agree with, effectively CHANGING the verse using Hebrew and Greek to fit into what He wants it to fit into.
For 400 years the KJV was considered the Word of God. It was the last days generation that changed all that.
So for 400 years of the KJV the Holy Ghost never taught people Thou shalt not kill means thou shalt not murder? Seems to me if during those 400 years if they believed Thou shalt not kill meant they should not kill anything that they would not have killed animals either, because that is killing. So then the people during the 400 years must have realized that the verse that says Thou shalt not kill, meant thou shalt not murder. But leave it to the last days generation to take though that the general people can't understand what Thou shalt not kill means, therefore took it upon themselves to come up with a better version to teach people it actually means Thou shalt not murder, effectively taking the Holy Spirit out of the equation.
Here is the problem with the Hebrew and Greek.
5 different people can take one verse in Scriptures, and take it to the Hebrew and Greek and get 5 different translations, each translation dependent of the person doing the translating and what that particular person believes to be True concerning the verse that is being interpreted. One word can mean several different things. Get a verse with 10 words in it, and each word can mean different things, you can have many different translations of that verse.
But here is the TRUTH, believe what the KJV says, and you will be fine. It is only when people don't believe what it says that they seek other means to interpret that verse to mean something other than what it says. This can be effectively achieved using the Hebrew and/or Greek method of interpreting Scriptures.
If the Word of God (KJV) teaches that God Commanded Noah to build the ark, then believe it. Those who question the Word of God, are they that love to go to the Hebrew and Greek, or love to go to other translations to see which one lines up with their own belief. Those who, as a child, merely believe the Word of God, are they that the Holy Spirit of God will teach.
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DiscipleDave
The Bible mentions Unicorns 6 times. Do we have any scientific evidence that Unicorns actually existed? Any fossils? NO, Unicorns must be a myth, a legend right? Those six verses that mention Unicorns must be allegorical, because our science today can't prove they actually existed.
Genesis 1:1-11 is written in a way that God actually did what God says He did. It is only men who question the Word of God. Just because men question the Word of God if it is True or not True, does not, nor ever will change the TRUTH of the Word of God.
Tell me which is better in the eyes of God. That a person believes the Word of God that plainly teaches God created the Earth in 6 days. or a person that believes God did NOT do as He said He did? You judge.
i will tell you the TRUTH A person who believes the Word of God and is found to be wrong after this life, is much better off than a person who believes the Word of God is false, and turns out it was Right.
We as children of God are told to believe the Word of God. Woe to those who doubt it, Woe to those who question it, Woe to those who refute it, Woe to those who CHANGE it to fit into their own ideal of what the TRUTH is. Woe to them indeed. It is better for a person to believe all the Word of God and be wrong, then to NOT believe the Word of God and be right.
Tell me. If i tell me child that Santa Clause is real. Which is better.
a child that believes and thinks "YOU ARE WRONG, Santa Clause doesn't exist"
or
a child that believes what you tell them, because they are the Parents?
Woe to this generation. The Parent, the Father tells us plainly there was a flood, regardless if it is TRUE or not TRUE, that is what God tells us. Blessed are they that merely believe the Word of God because that is what God tells them, and woe to them who question the Father, who question His Word, who dissects His Word, who challenges His Word. Know you not it does not matter if there was a flood or wasn't a flood, what matters is if you believe the Word of God that teaches there was a flood. i know there was a flood, don't need any proof there was a flood. The Word of God says there was a flood, therefore i believe there was a flood. Nay Sayers, those who question the Word of God, are they that doubt there was ever a flood. Let them alone, they are devoid of the TRUTH, and they believe false doctrines that tries to convince them to NOT believe the Word of God and what it plainly says. And they will use whatever methods they can to achieve that goal, Hebrew and Greek is one of those methods. (As if God requires us to become Learned to understand the Truth)
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DiscipleDave
Genesis 1:1-11 is written in a way that God actually did what God says He did. It is only men who question the Word of God. Just because men question the Word of God if it is True or not True, does not, nor ever will change the TRUTH of the Word of God.
Tell me which is better in the eyes of God. That a person believes the Word of God that plainly teaches God created the Earth in 6 days. or a person that believes God did NOT do as He said He did? You judge.
i will tell you the TRUTH A person who believes the Word of God and is found to be wrong after this life, is much better off than a person who believes the Word of God is false, and turns out it was Right.
We as children of God are told to believe the Word of God. Woe to those who doubt it, Woe to those who question it, Woe to those who refute it, Woe to those who CHANGE it to fit into their own ideal of what the TRUTH is. Woe to them indeed. It is better for a person to believe all the Word of God and be wrong, then to NOT believe the Word of God and be right.
Tell me. If i tell me child that Santa Clause is real. Which is better.
a child that believes and thinks "YOU ARE WRONG, Santa Clause doesn't exist"
or
a child that believes what you tell them, because they are the Parents?
Woe to this generation. The Parent, the Father tells us plainly there was a flood, regardless if it is TRUE or not TRUE, that is what God tells us. Blessed are they that merely believe the Word of God because that is what God tells them, and woe to them who question the Father, who question His Word, who dissects His Word, who challenges His Word. Know you not it does not matter if there was a flood or wasn't a flood, what matters is if you believe the Word of God that teaches there was a flood. i know there was a flood, don't need any proof there was a flood. The Word of God says there was a flood, therefore i believe there was a flood. Nay Sayers, those who question the Word of God, are they that doubt there was ever a flood. Let them alone, they are devoid of the TRUTH, and they believe false doctrines that tries to convince them to NOT believe the Word of God and what it plainly says. And they will use whatever methods they can to achieve that goal, Hebrew and Greek is one of those methods. (As if God requires us to become Learned to understand the Truth)
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DiscipleDave
For the last 400+ years the Word of God calls it a firmament, which Scriptures interprets to be our Atmosphere.
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. (confirmation that Scriptures teach firmament is our atmosphere)
Leave it to the last days generation to change firmament into something else like a DOME. Which the Word of God does not teach nor even imply.
1) The Word of God teaches the firmament is our atmosphere
2) Hebrew teaches the firmament is an expanse
3) Greek teaches the firmament is a Dome over a flat earth.
Those who believe 1) Believe the Word of God and what it teaches.
Those who believe 2) Believe the word of men and what men interpret the word firmament to mean in Hebrew
Those who believe 3) Believe the words of men who thought the Earth was flat covered by a dome, with four walls holding up that dome.
Those who believe 1) Are right, those who believe 2) and/or 3) believe false doctrines handed down by men persuaded by satan.
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DiscipleDave
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. (confirmation that Scriptures teach firmament is our atmosphere)
Leave it to the last days generation to change firmament into something else like a DOME. Which the Word of God does not teach nor even imply.
1) The Word of God teaches the firmament is our atmosphere
2) Hebrew teaches the firmament is an expanse
3) Greek teaches the firmament is a Dome over a flat earth.
Those who believe 1) Believe the Word of God and what it teaches.
Those who believe 2) Believe the word of men and what men interpret the word firmament to mean in Hebrew
Those who believe 3) Believe the words of men who thought the Earth was flat covered by a dome, with four walls holding up that dome.
Those who believe 1) Are right, those who believe 2) and/or 3) believe false doctrines handed down by men persuaded by satan.
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DiscipleDave
God is above our Earthly limited science. satan uses our science to convince humans that the Word of God is wrong. satan gets people to believe the science over the miracles. It is scientifically impossible to turn water into wine. Therefore satan teaches that Jesus did not do that, because science can't do that. Jesus turned water into wine is a MIRACLE, it is a miracle because God did something that our science CAN'T do. Jesus walked on water, scientifically impossible to do according to our scientists, therefore a MIRACLE. The Earth created in 6 days, Scientifically impossible, therefore a MIRACLE. The Earth was flooded and killed every living thing except those in the Ark. Men say this is scientifically impossible, therefore a MIRACLE. Earthly science will NEVER be able to touch a MIRACLE. God and what He can do is above our pathetic Earthly sciences.
Who do you think created Gravity? Do you think the creator of Gravity is bound to that which He created? Or is He greater than what He created? Jesus walked on Water because God of the Universe is not bound by the gravity of the Earth which He created. He could have flown like superman if He so chose to do so, but He chose to show us a MIRACLE by walking on water instead, which Earth science teaches is impossible to do. IF God says He created the Earth in 6 days, If God says He flooded the entire Earth, you would be better off to believe the Word of God, then to doubt the Word of God of the Universe.
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DiscipleDave
Who do you think created Gravity? Do you think the creator of Gravity is bound to that which He created? Or is He greater than what He created? Jesus walked on Water because God of the Universe is not bound by the gravity of the Earth which He created. He could have flown like superman if He so chose to do so, but He chose to show us a MIRACLE by walking on water instead, which Earth science teaches is impossible to do. IF God says He created the Earth in 6 days, If God says He flooded the entire Earth, you would be better off to believe the Word of God, then to doubt the Word of God of the Universe.
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DiscipleDave
i agree 100%. Scriptures interprets Scriptures. one word can mean different things according to the immediate text surrounding what is being said. In the entire Historical account of the flood there are way to many verses that plainly teach it was a world wide event. Therefore it is not logical that every verse that says whole earth is referring to a localized area. To many verses plainly teach otherwise.
Gen_9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. This is not indicating a localized area, but stating a fact that these three sons are what repopulated the whole earth. They did not even want to leave their localized area and decided to build a tower to reach God. They did not go out into other areas of the world but remained in one localized area, this upset God because He commanded them to spread out in the whole world. What did they do instead, stay and build a tower. This is why God caused a language barrier to divide all the peoples to go into different parts of the whole Earth.
If the flood was a localized event, we would not have all this written. There would have been other people in the World correct? If it were a localized flood, Why then does Scriptures plainly teach it was only the sons of Noah that spread out into the whole Earth?
Scriptures are True, it was a global flood. ONLY the false teachings of men teach otherwise.
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DiscipleDave
Gen_9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. This is not indicating a localized area, but stating a fact that these three sons are what repopulated the whole earth. They did not even want to leave their localized area and decided to build a tower to reach God. They did not go out into other areas of the world but remained in one localized area, this upset God because He commanded them to spread out in the whole world. What did they do instead, stay and build a tower. This is why God caused a language barrier to divide all the peoples to go into different parts of the whole Earth.
If the flood was a localized event, we would not have all this written. There would have been other people in the World correct? If it were a localized flood, Why then does Scriptures plainly teach it was only the sons of Noah that spread out into the whole Earth?
Scriptures are True, it was a global flood. ONLY the false teachings of men teach otherwise.
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DiscipleDave
i started reading it, until i read the big bang, then i knew the rest of the article must not be true either.
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DiscipleDave
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DiscipleDave
A lot of people WANT to know what it says but don't understand the archaic language. It's as simple as that. God can't be confined to old usage. Some people find it awkward to get at the truth by struggling with outdated English. THANK GOD for the work of scholars who made up to date language translations.
This is Hebrew:
This is English:
Gen. 1:6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so. (NRSV)
This is Greek:
Matt. 1:6. Ἰεσσαὶ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Δαυὶδ τὸν βασιλέα.
Δαυὶδ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Σολομῶνα ἐκ τῆς τοῦ Οὐρίου, (NA28)
ויאמר אלהים יהי רקיע בתוך המים ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים׃
ויעשׂ אלהים את־הרקיע ויבדל בין המים אשׁר מתחת לרקיע ובין המים אשׁר מעל לרקיע ויהי־כן׃
ויעשׂ אלהים את־הרקיע ויבדל בין המים אשׁר מתחת לרקיע ובין המים אשׁר מעל לרקיע ויהי־כן׃
This is English:
Gen. 1:6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so. (NRSV)
This is Greek:
Matt. 1:6. Ἰεσσαὶ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Δαυὶδ τὸν βασιλέα.
Δαυὶδ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Σολομῶνα ἐκ τῆς τοῦ Οὐρίου, (NA28)