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Endoscopy

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Try responding to the request of refuting with information about why any of the four are in error Biblically. Your refusal implies that you have no comprehension of how to do that. You just keep ranting you are correct and the theologians are in error. Prove your statement with pointing out the errors or shut up about it.
 

Endoscopy

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January 20th is Penguin Awareness Day, that day of the year when we all pause to reflect on how aware we are of penguins. Or something. Today is not - repeat, NOT - World Penguin Day, which, as everyone knows, is celebrated on April 25th.
I want to know when Pug awareness day is.

ROFL
 

MarcR

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Greetings val5662,

Actually, the next big event is the appearing of the Lord to gather his church. Following that will be the revealing of the antichrist via his establishment of the seven years, which will be the fulfillment of the seventy 'seven' year periods that was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem in Dan.9:24-27. That said, the church will have already been gathered prior to the antichrist being revealed.

For those who study end-time events, it would be very difficult for them to be deceived by the antichrist because we would know him as soon as he made that seven year agreement, as it is the trade-mark of his being revealed. We also know that the antichrist and the wrath of God must come first before Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, which is a separate event from the Lord's appearing to gather the church.

Furthermore, those videos on end-time events are a dime a dozen, with many being false teachings. The best way to know the truth is to study scripture for one's self.

As for those in Christ, the next big event that we are looking forward to is the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ (John 14:1-3, 1 Thes.4:13-18). Since we are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath (1 Thes.1:10, 5:9, Rev.3:10) then believers must be removed prior to said wrath and that because Jesus already suffered it on every believers behalf.

I agree that the rapture is imminent. I thibk the Ezekiel 38 war may be more so.
 

Ahwatukee

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Try responding to the request of refuting with information about why any of the four are in error Biblically. Your refusal implies that you have no comprehension of how to do that. You just keep ranting you are correct and the theologians are in error. Prove your statement with pointing out the errors or shut up about it.
Hello Endoscopy,

First of all, I will not shut up about it, as I will continue to proclaim the truth. And second, the fact that you think that all four views are Biblical, which can't possibly be true, says it all. For only one view can be Biblically correct. But I just may go and read your link and present the problems with each view for your benefit, that is if you are able to discern the refutation.
 

MarcR

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Your eschatology is confused. There are 4 seperate Biblical views of eschatology. Jesus said no man knows when it will happen but only the Father. At 73 I have seen several attempt to make a date for it to happen when I was a teenager and later. Those dates and times are past so Jesus was correct. I turn a deaf ear to any pronouncement about even a general time. Too many have come and gone!!!
Jesus said concerning His return, "no man knows the day or the hour"; but gave the signs of the times. I am not trying to date anything.

We have been given several revelations concerning the order of end time events. As i understand those revelations; it seems that the Eze 38 war will precede the false peace. We have no clue when the rapture will occur except in Rev 7:9; which seems to place it between the 6th and 7th seal. However we still don't know the day or the hour.

Damascus until 3 months ago was the oldest continuously occupied city on earth.

Isaiah said: Isa 17:1
17 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
KJV

Isis is in the process of fulfilling that now if they haven't already done so.

The huge oil reserves under the Dead Sea are not yet being developed. When they are developed, oil will likely drain from the Arabian Peninsula as well as Iraq and Iran.

Russia and Iran are likely interested in preempting that.
 

MarcR

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You forgot one major issue, Daniel determines the TOG's and according to daniel, TOG will end when JESUS crushes the statue, destroys the final beast etc etc.

Jesus has not come yet, Israel has not repented yet.

It does not matter if the army did what you said, the fact the dome of the rock is there is all we need.

Your also forgetting dan 9, it is not yet fulfilled.

Luke 21:24-27
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
KJV


As I see It:

v24 starts with a prediction of the fall of Jerusalem fulfilled 70 A.D.

v24 obliquely predicts a subsequent return of Jerusalem to a restored Israel fulfilled 1967 A.D.

v27 seems to indicate that the Lord's return will occur an unspecified time later.
 

homwardbound

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Hi All....
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo

Have a great day! :)
Quite interesting view, thank you
 

Endoscopy

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Hello Endoscopy,

First of all, I will not shut up about it, as I will continue to proclaim the truth. And second, the fact that you think that all four views are Biblical, which can't possibly be true, says it all. For only one view can be Biblically correct. But I just may go and read your link and present the problems with each view for your benefit, that is if you are able to discern the refutation.
Truth is what the Bible states. Theologians for centuries have been studying eschatology. They have come up with 4 seperate views of eschatology that are Biblical. Refute them if you are able in order to prove that you are correct!! Otherwise you are just blowing in the wind.
 

Endoscopy

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I see Ahwatukee ran and hid. Couldn't refute the 4 views of eschatology. Sad case of an ego biting off more than he could chew.
 

Endoscopy

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Probably sometime after Cats are awesome day!
Westminster says pugs are loveable busybodies. That is a very apt description. Had several over the years. Back when we took foster kids a home inspector said they never bite.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Luke 21:24-27
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
KJV


As I see It:

v24 starts with a prediction of the fall of Jerusalem fulfilled 70 A.D.

v24 obliquely predicts a subsequent return of Jerusalem to a restored Israel fulfilled 1967 A.D.

v27 seems to indicate that the Lord's return will occur an unspecified time later.

I go back to daniel.

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street[c] shall be built again, and the wall,[d]
Even in troublesome times.
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off,

The cross

but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

70 AD

The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

An unknown time period determined by God himself.

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

The prince of the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary. Will confirm some treaty, Yet future


But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,

Again, A future even, the temple must have been rebuilt, meaning Israel is back in the land. Some idol is placed in most holy place to make it ceremonially unclean


Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

This I believe is the final 3.5 years of the week period. The end will be the return of Christ himself As jesus said in Matt. 24, where he states he must return or no flesh would survive.

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Lucy-Pevensie

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Jesus said concerning His return, "no man knows the day or the hour"; but gave the signs of the times. I am not trying to date anything.
I agree with this. Jesus makes it clear. Only the Father knows the exact time and date. But we should recognise the SEASON.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I see Ahwatukee ran and hid. Couldn't refute the 4 views of eschatology. Sad case of an ego biting off more than he could chew.
What's to refute? All they are is 4 different views of the denominational churches over the yearsa. They aren't in depth Bible studies. One can and should study end-time prophecy without the excess baggage.
 
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heartofdavid

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Still waiting on post tribbers to produce evidence of a posrtib rapture.

Ok, since no evidence,maybe a verse or two ???
 

abcdef

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I agree with this. Jesus makes it clear. Only the Father knows the exact time and date. But we should recognise the SEASON.
Hi Lucy-P,

When Jesus made that statement it was true. But after His resur. Jesus said "all power" was given to Him.

So if He didn't know the time then, He didn't receive "all" power, He only received some power.

Jesus came and gave us the Revelation that shows us how this will all end.

So Jesus dos know the day and hour, and He gave us the Rev which tells us everything to eternity begins, yes?
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Hi Lucy-P,

When Jesus made that statement it was true. But after His resur. Jesus said "all power" was given to Him.

So if He didn't know the time then, He didn't receive "all" power, He only received some power.

Jesus came and gave us the Revelation that shows us how this will all end.

So Jesus dos know the day and hour, and He gave us the Rev which tells us everything to eternity begins, yes?
Sure, the end of the world will be next Monday 22nd January 11:49 pm GMT
 

abcdef

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Still waiting on post tribbers to produce evidence of a posrtib rapture.

Ok, since no evidence,maybe a verse or two ???
Hi heartofdavid,

Well, I did explain Noah and Lot, being post judgment, post trib, and pre wrath evacuation.

And the 10 virgins are after the trib of Matt 24.

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How about Matt 24:29, "After the tribulation of those days .....".