If we're saved by faith

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Studyman said:
Like I said, not a hill to die on. But the Thief knew He was innocent, and knew who He was. You say he came to all that knowledge in one minute just before he was killed with absolutely zero evidence that he didn't know of Jesus before this day. I'm not willing to create a doctrine around this assumption without at least some Biblical evidence located elsewhere in the Bible.

You might be right, and I know "death bed conversion" is a popular doctrine in many popular religions. Just seems the evidence is pretty slim.
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How does anyone come to know God? Is it not by divine revelation? Remember when Jesus asked His disciples, "Who do you say that I am?" And when Peter answered, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." ...

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Studyman said:
You don't know how long the thief was in prison before his sentence was carried out. Jesus picked Peter as a disciple for a purpose. Others choose Jesus, like the thief. Comparing Peter to the thief is like comparing Moses and Caleb. Or the Pharisees to Zechariahs. Apples and oranges.
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For all have sinned and fall short of Gods glory.

Before Christ we are all in the same boat. Whether you in prison for murder, or a rich CEO living in a mansion
 
mailmandan said:
Listen to ALL of His words and not simply one half of one verse on the subject.

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

*The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "water baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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I think it is stretch to assume the word baptism in Mark 16 refers to water at all.. Just because one sees the word baptise should not mean they should Always assume water is involved, there are ather baptisms mentioned in scripture.
 
Magenta said:
How does anyone come to know God? Is it not by divine revelation? Remember when Jesus asked His disciples, "Who do you say that I am?" And when Peter answered, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." ...

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John 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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John 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

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acts 13

37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;

41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
 
Studyman said:
If Abraham had not obeyed God's instructions, do you preach he would still be considered righteous?
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Stop focusing on works, and focus on faith, Not of works lest any man should boast. Don’t boast of works. But look to God in faith.
 
NoNameMcgee said:
John 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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John 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

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acts 13

37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;

41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
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eternally-gratefull said:
I think it is stretch to assume the word baptism in Mark 16 refers to water at all.. Just because one sees the word baptise should not mean they should Always assume water is involved, there are ather baptisms mentioned in scripture.
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Certainly there is water baptism and Spirit baptism, which are two "distinct" baptisms (Matthew 3:11; Acts 11:16). Some people hold the view that Jesus was referring to Spirit baptism in Mark 16:16, yet regardless, even if Jesus was referring to water baptism, it doesn't prove the necessity of water baptism for salvation, as I pointed out.
 
mailmandan said:
Certainly there is water baptism and Spirit baptism, which are two "distinct" baptisms (Matthew 3:11; Acts 11:16). Some people hold the view that Jesus was referring to Spirit baptism in Mark 16:16, yet regardless, even if Jesus was referring to water baptism, it doesn't prove the necessity of water baptism for salvation, as I pointed out.
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Oh I agree brother, I used to use the same argument you did. Still do .. It works, and if it fits, you must acquit..lol
 
Baptism itself means to make fully wet. Spirit baptism is of fire. Lightning the Greek says. Tongues are languages not naturally acquired. Pays to look at the Greek. :)

Fire wouldn't mean wet. But, interestingly it can happen while wet. You'd think one would be electrocuted.

facetious of course.

Why would one not want both? And I've forgotten what the topic is while looking. :)
 
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mailmandan said:
Certainly there is water baptism and Spirit baptism, which are two "distinct" baptisms (Matthew 3:11; Acts 11:16). Some people hold the view that Jesus was referring to Spirit baptism in Mark 16:16, yet regardless, even if Jesus was referring to water baptism, it doesn't prove the necessity of water baptism for salvation, as I pointed out.
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My mother used to say to us kids, "If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times!" Of course, that was an exaggeration she was making, and one of my sisters used to do a hilarious impersonation of our dearly beloved mother saying that. Still, this Biblical truth has probably been said thousands, if not millions, of times, and it will bear repeating until the end of the age when Jesus returns :)
 
ComeLordJesus said:
why does the Bible say we have to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38
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because it's what Peter said. :p

Am in a mood today. Please ignore it. :)

Because the Jews practiced baptism in water on a regular basis. My view is that if Jesus was baptized in order to fulfill all righteousness, then I shall follow His example. Not of law, but of desire.
 
stonesoffire said:
Baptism itself means to make fully wet. Spirit baptism is of fire. Lightning the Greek says. Tongues are languages not naturally acquired. Pays to look at the Greek. :)

Fire wouldn't mean wet. But, interestingly it can happen while wet. You'd think one would be electrocuted.

facetious of course.

Why would one not want both? And I've forgotten what the topic is while looking. :)
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That is the million dollar question ;) The contention, however, is on the point of whether or not water baptism is what saves. Scripture is clear we are saved by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ upon the cross, where He bore the sins of the world due to His great and everlasting love for us, that we may be reconciled to the Father, and attain to life ever after. Thank you Jesus!
 
Thank you sweet Magenta for including His blood! It irks me just a little to say by grace through faith without including faith in what.

Always His sacrificial blood is our salvation. Body, soul, spirit.
 
Studyman said:
That has nothing to do with my post.
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You tried to Compare two people. One who was in prison and one who was not.. Not sure what other context you could be referring to if it was nbot that,
 
ComeLordJesus said:
why does the Bible say we have to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38
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First,That is because this is good and pleases God out Savior, he wants all men to be saved ... KJV1Timothy2:3-5 3. For this good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;4. Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the men Christ Jesus; Second, His sheep should follow his steps KJVJohn10:4 4. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
 
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