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An equally difficult passage... Note that the beast and false prophet were already in the "Lake of Fire" before (perhaps well before) the devil joins them. How can this be if we are talking 70 AD?
Note also that Gog and Magog are described as being "whose number is as the sand of the sea." Can that be said of the Roman forces which numbered only about 60,000? Granted, this argument isn't as persuasive. But consider that God did not send fire to devour those who had surrounded the camp in 70 AD as the Roman forces were victorious. In Rev 20:9, the beloved city was spared. In 70 AD, Jerusalem was utterly sacked and completely dismantled, stone by stone.
I don't see a strong connection between the details of Rev 20:7-10 to the events of 70 AD. Some preterists suggest a 1071 AD fulfillment during the Crusades which I also don't see. I think it is either future or spiritual.
Note also that Gog and Magog are described as being "whose number is as the sand of the sea." Can that be said of the Roman forces which numbered only about 60,000? Granted, this argument isn't as persuasive. But consider that God did not send fire to devour those who had surrounded the camp in 70 AD as the Roman forces were victorious. In Rev 20:9, the beloved city was spared. In 70 AD, Jerusalem was utterly sacked and completely dismantled, stone by stone.
I don't see a strong connection between the details of Rev 20:7-10 to the events of 70 AD. Some preterists suggest a 1071 AD fulfillment during the Crusades which I also don't see. I think it is either future or spiritual.
The problem I see for you PL is that you have the "thousand" years with no end, whereas John states after the "thousand" years, so there is an end, and wherever you posit that end is where the resurrection is:
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
On the one hand you say that Hades was emptied of the righteous and unrighteous in 70 AD, but you now have another resurrection after the "thousand" years.
Summat not quite right here.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
On the one hand you say that Hades was emptied of the righteous and unrighteous in 70 AD, but you now have another resurrection after the "thousand" years.
Summat not quite right here.
Brother PW,
Rev 19 is the prophecy of the fall of the Roman Empire 476 ad.
The scarlet beast Rev 17, is Rome. The beast thrown into the LoF is the souls of the entity. They are there now. Caesar etc.
Rev 20 shows what happens after Rome returns to nationhood just before the last scene on planet earth. (1929)
The dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns (Rev 12:3, Rev 20:2), returns to deceive the gentile nations into surrounding restored Jerusalem.
So when the beast is thrown into the LoF in Rev 19, that is the sea beast in 476 ad.
When the sea beast returns to sit on his throne after coming back from the dead, that is 1929, when Caesar the Anti-Christ BoR Vatican became a nation again. (Exactly the same spot.)
This is showing the army of the 6th trmp, the 200 mill army, just before the 2nd resurrection of the 7th trmp.
They come across the Euphrates and attack Jerusalem (restored to Israel in 1967).
This is the last scene on earth.
The stone striking is the fire from heaven.
After this, this material heaven and earth fly away, judgment, death is destroyed, the wedding, and eternity begin.
It doesn't necessarily say that. The 2nd resurrection takes place, so all the souls that are saved are taken with Jesus, then the fire.
The renewed Roman Empire Vatican Dragon, joins their predecessors in the LoF at the judgment.
But not everyone is caught. It's like saying, "anyone found protesting will be arrested." But there are always those people who were protesting that managed to avoid arrest. you are being too firm with these words. As I have previously made clear from scripture, some Gentiles believers who do not worship the best, his image nor receive his mark, avoid capture and death and that because we have clear scripture showing mortal Gentiles entering into the millennial period. Your version would have all Gentiles killed and none of them going into the millennial period. But since we do in fact have scripture showing Gentiles going into the millennial period, then your claim cannot be true.
That Gentiles in their mortal bodies will be living during the millennial period is not debatable. Therefore, if they are all killed off as you claim, then could not possible exist in the millennial period. That is the logic of it.
That Gentiles in their mortal bodies will be living during the millennial period is not debatable. Therefore, if they are all killed off as you claim, then could not possible exist in the millennial period. That is the logic of it.
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The RCC will be the False Profit or the Harlot /Woman who rides the beast. In Rev. 18-19 we see the ten kingdoms/kings , kill/destroy her (Vatican) as God's Judgement against her.
You state that She (the vatican)is not big enough...Well today she is 1 Billion strong. During this time, there is a one world religion, where unbelievers in it are killed thus the martyred saints. Of course, those who like the Christians --maybe Muslims, etc. are also killed.
The Antichrist (a man) is killed or believed to be dead at the beginning "Great Tribulation", He has a Head wound and an arm wound. I believe at this time, Lucifer has been thrown out of Heaven and hence takes over the anti-christ's (man) body. Here we see the Abomination of Desolate with Lucifer incarnate, telling all who do not accept him as their leader/savior they cannot by or sell and probably are killed. Thus the Great Tribulation as spoken by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24 has begun and a full 2/3 of the Jewish people living at that time will die; not being in the Grace of GOD. Those that flee to the Petra (mountains) are the only ones that are saved. It is at this time the 2 witnesses along with Angelican help in ministering to the people begins .
By the time that the Great Tribulation is ended, a full 1/2 of the people on earth will have lost their lives.
You state that She (the vatican)is not big enough...Well today she is 1 Billion strong. During this time, there is a one world religion, where unbelievers in it are killed thus the martyred saints. Of course, those who like the Christians --maybe Muslims, etc. are also killed.
The Antichrist (a man) is killed or believed to be dead at the beginning "Great Tribulation", He has a Head wound and an arm wound. I believe at this time, Lucifer has been thrown out of Heaven and hence takes over the anti-christ's (man) body. Here we see the Abomination of Desolate with Lucifer incarnate, telling all who do not accept him as their leader/savior they cannot by or sell and probably are killed. Thus the Great Tribulation as spoken by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24 has begun and a full 2/3 of the Jewish people living at that time will die; not being in the Grace of GOD. Those that flee to the Petra (mountains) are the only ones that are saved. It is at this time the 2 witnesses along with Angelican help in ministering to the people begins .
By the time that the Great Tribulation is ended, a full 1/2 of the people on earth will have lost their lives.
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There are Only Seven ( 7 ) Trumps given in Revelation .
Revelation 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
What happens in The Last ?
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
So when Paul mentions the LAST, or Trump in regards to Christs' return , its documented :Last Means Seventh.
The Return of Christ .
After The Tribulation . 5th and 6th come before 7th. What is happening in the 6th ? Tribulation . The deception........
Revelation 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
What happens in The Last ?
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
So when Paul mentions the LAST, or Trump in regards to Christs' return , its documented :Last Means Seventh.
The Return of Christ .
After The Tribulation . 5th and 6th come before 7th. What is happening in the 6th ? Tribulation . The deception........
The beast rules the known world of Israel, not all the gentile nations.
Rev 19, is the prophecy of the fall of the Roman Empire in 476 ad. The sea/earth beast.
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V 21, Says that there is a remnant. That would be the earth beast (religious Rome). Religious Rome makes the image of the first beast (sea beast of the unbelieving gentile nations), by having Caesar worship.
The RCC is the image of the Roman Empire. It is Caesar and Caesar worship (man/creation is god).
They are both fought with the gospel sword.
Rome claims to be the only true church/kingdom/Israel.
The Bishop of Rome (BoR), claims to the title of holy father, forgiver of sin, and having more authority than the scriptures.
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In Rev 20, the first resur. is exactly what it says, the resur. of Jesus. The 2nd will come before the fire from heaven.
The dragon Rome, cannot destroy Israel until they are restored to Jerusalem. (The chain)
Once they are restored, then the Roman iron dragon deceives the nations into surrounding Jerusalem to kill Israel.
Rev 19, is the prophecy of the fall of the Roman Empire in 476 ad. The sea/earth beast.
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V 21, Says that there is a remnant. That would be the earth beast (religious Rome). Religious Rome makes the image of the first beast (sea beast of the unbelieving gentile nations), by having Caesar worship.
The RCC is the image of the Roman Empire. It is Caesar and Caesar worship (man/creation is god).
They are both fought with the gospel sword.
Rome claims to be the only true church/kingdom/Israel.
The Bishop of Rome (BoR), claims to the title of holy father, forgiver of sin, and having more authority than the scriptures.
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In Rev 20, the first resur. is exactly what it says, the resur. of Jesus. The 2nd will come before the fire from heaven.
The dragon Rome, cannot destroy Israel until they are restored to Jerusalem. (The chain)
Once they are restored, then the Roman iron dragon deceives the nations into surrounding Jerusalem to kill Israel.
Please prove from History that the Theory of a Secret Rapture existed 1000 years ago, or in Jesus's day.
History generally agrees that the secret rapture is linked to futurism and that futurism was invented at the end of the 16th century.
So why, when and how did Futurism creep into early church doctrine? When this interpretation of prophecy began should be of particular interest to all schools of prophetic interpretation.
The former, or futurist system of interpreting the prophecies is now held, strange to say, by many Protestants, but it was first invented by the Jesuit Ribera, at the end of the sixteenth century, to relieve the Papacy from the terrible stigma cast upon it by the Protestant interpretation. This interpretation was so evidently the true and intended one, that the adherents of the Papacy felt its edge must, at any cost, be turned or blunted. If the Papacy were the predicted antichirst, as Protestants asserted, there was an end of the question, and separation from it became an imperative duty.
First, note the fact that Rome's reply to the Reformation in the 16th century included an answer to the prophetic teachings of the Reformers. Through the Jesuits Ribera and Bellarmine, Rome put forth her futurist interpretation of prophecy. Ribera was a Jesuit priest of Salamanca. In 1585 he published a commentary on the Apocalypse, denying the application of the prophecies concerning antichrist to the existing Church of Rome. He was followed by Cardinal Bellarmine, a nephew of Pope Marcellus II, who was born in Tuscany in 1542, and died in Rome in 1621. Bellarmine was not only a man of great learning, but the most powerful controversialist in defence [sic] of Popery that the Roman Church ever produced." Clement VIII used these remarkable words on his nomination: "We choose him, because the Church of God does not possess his equal in learning." Bellarmine, like Ribera, advocated the futurist interpretation of prophecy. He taught that antichrist would be one particular man, that he would be a Jew, that he would be preceded by the reappearance of the literal Enoch and Elias, that he would rebuild the Jewish temple at Jerusalem, compel circumcision, abolish the Christian sacraments, abolish every other form of religion, would manifestly and avowedly deny Christ, would assume to be Christ, and would be received by the Jews as their Messiah, would pretend to be God, would make a literal image speak, would feign himself dead and rise again, and would conquer the whole world – Christian, Mohammedan, and heathen; and all this in the space of three and a half years. He insisted that the prophecies of Daniel, Paul, and John, with reference to the antichrist, had no application what- ever to the Papal power.
There were only two alternatives. If the antichrist were not a present power, he must be either a past or a future one. Some writers asserted that the predictions pointed back to Nero. [This became the Preterist view] This did not take into account the obvious fact that the anti-Christian power predicted was to succeed the fall of the Caesars, and develop among the Gothic nations. The other alternative became therefore the popular one with Papists. Antichrist was future, so Ribera and Bossuet and others taught. An individual man was intended, not a dynasty; the duration of his power would not be for twelve and a half centuries, but only three and a half years; he would be a Jew, and sit in a Jewish temple. Speculation about the future took the place of study of the past and present, and careful comparison of the facts of history with the predictions of prophecy. This related, so it was asserted, not to the main course of the history of the Church, but only to the few closing years of her history. . .
The third or FUTURIST view, is that which teaches that the prophetic visions of Revelation, from chapters 4 to 21, prefigure events still wholly future and not to take place, till just at the close of this dispensation. . . .
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Willing to know more read "History of Futurism" online, there are many sites and most agree. [/FONT]
History generally agrees that the secret rapture is linked to futurism and that futurism was invented at the end of the 16th century.
So why, when and how did Futurism creep into early church doctrine? When this interpretation of prophecy began should be of particular interest to all schools of prophetic interpretation.
The former, or futurist system of interpreting the prophecies is now held, strange to say, by many Protestants, but it was first invented by the Jesuit Ribera, at the end of the sixteenth century, to relieve the Papacy from the terrible stigma cast upon it by the Protestant interpretation. This interpretation was so evidently the true and intended one, that the adherents of the Papacy felt its edge must, at any cost, be turned or blunted. If the Papacy were the predicted antichirst, as Protestants asserted, there was an end of the question, and separation from it became an imperative duty.
First, note the fact that Rome's reply to the Reformation in the 16th century included an answer to the prophetic teachings of the Reformers. Through the Jesuits Ribera and Bellarmine, Rome put forth her futurist interpretation of prophecy. Ribera was a Jesuit priest of Salamanca. In 1585 he published a commentary on the Apocalypse, denying the application of the prophecies concerning antichrist to the existing Church of Rome. He was followed by Cardinal Bellarmine, a nephew of Pope Marcellus II, who was born in Tuscany in 1542, and died in Rome in 1621. Bellarmine was not only a man of great learning, but the most powerful controversialist in defence [sic] of Popery that the Roman Church ever produced." Clement VIII used these remarkable words on his nomination: "We choose him, because the Church of God does not possess his equal in learning." Bellarmine, like Ribera, advocated the futurist interpretation of prophecy. He taught that antichrist would be one particular man, that he would be a Jew, that he would be preceded by the reappearance of the literal Enoch and Elias, that he would rebuild the Jewish temple at Jerusalem, compel circumcision, abolish the Christian sacraments, abolish every other form of religion, would manifestly and avowedly deny Christ, would assume to be Christ, and would be received by the Jews as their Messiah, would pretend to be God, would make a literal image speak, would feign himself dead and rise again, and would conquer the whole world – Christian, Mohammedan, and heathen; and all this in the space of three and a half years. He insisted that the prophecies of Daniel, Paul, and John, with reference to the antichrist, had no application what- ever to the Papal power.
There were only two alternatives. If the antichrist were not a present power, he must be either a past or a future one. Some writers asserted that the predictions pointed back to Nero. [This became the Preterist view] This did not take into account the obvious fact that the anti-Christian power predicted was to succeed the fall of the Caesars, and develop among the Gothic nations. The other alternative became therefore the popular one with Papists. Antichrist was future, so Ribera and Bossuet and others taught. An individual man was intended, not a dynasty; the duration of his power would not be for twelve and a half centuries, but only three and a half years; he would be a Jew, and sit in a Jewish temple. Speculation about the future took the place of study of the past and present, and careful comparison of the facts of history with the predictions of prophecy. This related, so it was asserted, not to the main course of the history of the Church, but only to the few closing years of her history. . .
The third or FUTURIST view, is that which teaches that the prophetic visions of Revelation, from chapters 4 to 21, prefigure events still wholly future and not to take place, till just at the close of this dispensation. . . .
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Willing to know more read "History of Futurism" online, there are many sites and most agree. [/FONT]
I didn't address this PL:
But consider that God did not send fire to devour those who had surrounded the camp in 70 AD as the Roman forces were victorious. In Rev 20:9, the beloved city was spared. In 70 AD, Jerusalem was utterly sacked and completely dismantled, stone by stone.
It could be read as the "beloved" city was spared, but then again not.
"and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore."
It's quite possible that "Gog and Magog" is being used figuratively in the same way that John described the city as Sodom and Egypt.
In regards to the city it does not spell out specifically that is was not destroyed.
"And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them."
If this is not the surrounding of 70 AD then you have the "saints" as Christians being devoured by fire from heaven at some other time, because as you said the armies are not destroyed,
That don't work very well - there is no mention of the saints being devoured in the city in the gospels, but if we take this "fire" as the destruction of the city and those in it in 70 AD then we have a match - yes?
But consider that God did not send fire to devour those who had surrounded the camp in 70 AD as the Roman forces were victorious. In Rev 20:9, the beloved city was spared. In 70 AD, Jerusalem was utterly sacked and completely dismantled, stone by stone.
It could be read as the "beloved" city was spared, but then again not.
"and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore."
It's quite possible that "Gog and Magog" is being used figuratively in the same way that John described the city as Sodom and Egypt.
In regards to the city it does not spell out specifically that is was not destroyed.
"And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them."
If this is not the surrounding of 70 AD then you have the "saints" as Christians being devoured by fire from heaven at some other time, because as you said the armies are not destroyed,
That don't work very well - there is no mention of the saints being devoured in the city in the gospels, but if we take this "fire" as the destruction of the city and those in it in 70 AD then we have a match - yes?
It always amazes me when people try to discredit the word of God by claiming that some else invented the teaching of the gathering of the church or any other Biblical truth.
First of all, the gathering of the church is arrived at by the cross-referencing and comparing of Scripture. And second, in order for your claim to be true regarding Jesuit Ribera writing the futurist view, myself and others would have to be a student of this man as one of his followers. Yet, I have never read anything by him and all of my knowledge comes from scripture. And I am pretty positive that Jesuit Ribera did not write the Greek scriptures. This is the same non-sense that people try to use in stating that the idea of the gathering of the church taking place prior to God's wrath as being invented by Mary MacDonald and Scofield, of whom I have also not read about, nor am I a follower.
The teaching of the gathering of the church prior to God's tribulation of wrath, comes directly from scripture. It is a promise of the Lord to keep believers out of that time period because we are not appointed to suffer any of God's wrath, whether the coming wrath upon this earth via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments nor the wrath of condemning judgment at the great white throne. And the reason that believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath, is because Jesus already suffered it on every believers behalf, satisfying it completely.
God does not punish the righteous with the wicked! The wrath that is coming is unprecedented and the most severe wrath that will have ever taken place upon the earth, which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government. Not understanding the severity and magnitude of this coming wrath is why people claim that God is going to protect his church in the midst of His wrath.
Futurism didn't creep into the church, it's been there all along. When one listens to the teachings of men is when God's word gets distorted.
Regarding futurism, none of the events from Revelation 4 onward have yet taken place and that is one of the major reasons that we know that the other views are false. Paul was right when he said:
"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
Those teachers are books written by false teachers, YouTube, seminars, web sites and hearsay and that time is now.
First of all, the gathering of the church is arrived at by the cross-referencing and comparing of Scripture. And second, in order for your claim to be true regarding Jesuit Ribera writing the futurist view, myself and others would have to be a student of this man as one of his followers. Yet, I have never read anything by him and all of my knowledge comes from scripture. And I am pretty positive that Jesuit Ribera did not write the Greek scriptures. This is the same non-sense that people try to use in stating that the idea of the gathering of the church taking place prior to God's wrath as being invented by Mary MacDonald and Scofield, of whom I have also not read about, nor am I a follower.
The teaching of the gathering of the church prior to God's tribulation of wrath, comes directly from scripture. It is a promise of the Lord to keep believers out of that time period because we are not appointed to suffer any of God's wrath, whether the coming wrath upon this earth via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments nor the wrath of condemning judgment at the great white throne. And the reason that believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath, is because Jesus already suffered it on every believers behalf, satisfying it completely.
God does not punish the righteous with the wicked! The wrath that is coming is unprecedented and the most severe wrath that will have ever taken place upon the earth, which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government. Not understanding the severity and magnitude of this coming wrath is why people claim that God is going to protect his church in the midst of His wrath.
Futurism didn't creep into the church, it's been there all along. When one listens to the teachings of men is when God's word gets distorted.
Regarding futurism, none of the events from Revelation 4 onward have yet taken place and that is one of the major reasons that we know that the other views are false. Paul was right when he said:
"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
Those teachers are books written by false teachers, YouTube, seminars, web sites and hearsay and that time is now.
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So the effect of the early USA being great was due to its cause believing in Christian values, such as loving ones neighbor, being fair and just, and dealing in truth.
As such, one would have to say that the effect today in which we see ever increasing levels of lawlessness is due to our disbelief in empathy towards our neighbor, being just and fair, and dealing in truth.
I can agree with that.
The next question would then be: Why do people today believe in not loving their neighbor, being unjust, and lies?
There has to be motive, and that motive are the things that please the eyes....material goods (idols) that mankind's industries produce in ever increasing quantities.
These increasing of idols is why lawlessness is increasing, and will continue to increase.
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world
As such, one would have to say that the effect today in which we see ever increasing levels of lawlessness is due to our disbelief in empathy towards our neighbor, being just and fair, and dealing in truth.
I can agree with that.
The next question would then be: Why do people today believe in not loving their neighbor, being unjust, and lies?
There has to be motive, and that motive are the things that please the eyes....material goods (idols) that mankind's industries produce in ever increasing quantities.
These increasing of idols is why lawlessness is increasing, and will continue to increase.
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world
It's not all about a set of Christian "values". Even atheists claim those. Values are good but it's a lot to do with the honour and worship of God. The real God. You can keep doing the works on a system of values all you want but if you remove the honour of God from your nation it spells trouble. Without him the works themselves even become corrupt eventually.
It is about a set of Christian beliefs.
The Samaritan in Luke 10 (a gentile without law) had the belief in heart of loving his neighbor, whereas the supposed believers in God, the Rabbi and Priest had no real faith in loving their neighbor.
True worship represents a heart felt adoration.
I think your interpretation of worship is that of people attending services on a Saturday or Sunday, where they kneel, bow, stand, repeat some phrases; and then they go home to live their lives in contradiction to love, justice, and truth.
The Samaritan in Luke 10 (a gentile without law) had the belief in heart of loving his neighbor, whereas the supposed believers in God, the Rabbi and Priest had no real faith in loving their neighbor.
True worship represents a heart felt adoration.
I think your interpretation of worship is that of people attending services on a Saturday or Sunday, where they kneel, bow, stand, repeat some phrases; and then they go home to live their lives in contradiction to love, justice, and truth.
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No,every believer is destined to the wedding feast in heaven.
Those left behind make up the innumerable number see in heaven,which is early on in the GT.
They come in through martyrdom. ( "...and they have washed their robes...")
Nonetheless,they,the foolish carnal christian virgins,enter heaven and the feast.
Harvest is 4 parts.
Rev 14 is the last harvest with its own separate "firstfruits" ,the 144k, followed by "ripe fruit" ,the Jews.
Jesus first miracle is at a Wedding with Jews and a transformation "at the end"..."...but you saved the best for last".
That millineum thingy will take care of itself population wise. There will be more than enough gentiles.
No believers are on the planet. The 7 year GT Is a purge.
Heavens focus is directly on harvest and the bride,complete with the Jew at the last.
The Seals broken is the kinsman redeemer,or the earth redeemed,with the gentile bride and the following Jews.
That is depicted vividly in Ruth.
There is no harvest at the end of the GT.
Both Jews and a handfull of gentiles fall down and worship Jesus when he comes on the white horses.
These probably get a pass at the GWTJ. They worship the King ( believe and are saved).
The bible says " ...some are saved as through fire....saved but their works are burned up"
Those left behind make up the innumerable number see in heaven,which is early on in the GT.
They come in through martyrdom. ( "...and they have washed their robes...")
Nonetheless,they,the foolish carnal christian virgins,enter heaven and the feast.
Harvest is 4 parts.
Rev 14 is the last harvest with its own separate "firstfruits" ,the 144k, followed by "ripe fruit" ,the Jews.
Jesus first miracle is at a Wedding with Jews and a transformation "at the end"..."...but you saved the best for last".
That millineum thingy will take care of itself population wise. There will be more than enough gentiles.
No believers are on the planet. The 7 year GT Is a purge.
Heavens focus is directly on harvest and the bride,complete with the Jew at the last.
The Seals broken is the kinsman redeemer,or the earth redeemed,with the gentile bride and the following Jews.
That is depicted vividly in Ruth.
There is no harvest at the end of the GT.
Both Jews and a handfull of gentiles fall down and worship Jesus when he comes on the white horses.
These probably get a pass at the GWTJ. They worship the King ( believe and are saved).
The bible says " ...some are saved as through fire....saved but their works are burned up"