Calvinists: The Just Shall Live BEFORE Having Faith
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I will not call you a liar. But I will just say, I have known hundreds of believers in many churches in my travels. And your the only person I have ever heard say this.
Everyone else tooksomeones years of learning or studying some even years.. Before they came to faith. Myself, it took a few years.. I believed for a long time, but had no clue how to have faiht until it was explained to me.
Everyone else tooksomeones years of learning or studying some even years.. Before they came to faith. Myself, it took a few years.. I believed for a long time, but had no clue how to have faiht until it was explained to me.
My husband spent weeks being angry with one middle-aged lady who knew here Bible. His thing was to destroy the faith of anyone who said they were Christians, and up until he met her, it was working for him. Three weeks arguing with her. Wnet home again fuming. First time he considered killing her. Went to bed. Woke up believing.
A friend of ours was royally ticked at his father. His father dared to believe in this Jesus-junk. And then his father dared to marry a woman just a couple of years older than the friend, but NOT in the Catholic Church, like he should. He went to that wedding with a gun to kill his father.
His father read some verses in the Bible during the wedding and prayed. Son became born again right then.
Most of the people I know didn't take years. We didn't even think out what we wanted. We got dinked by God's divine light, and we've been permanently dinked. lol
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No, he wasn't. He was speaking as a slave to sin Ro 7:14 which he just got done explaining in depth in the previous ch 6 is the condition of someone before conversion. And yes, we have the capacity to know what is good before regeneration, but we are powerless to do it.
Sorry your wrong, Paul spoke in present tense.
He spoke of the war that Only children in christ have, A non child of Christ does nto have this war. CHapter 8 is paul showing us how we have victory in this war.
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Are we allowed to? I thought all we could do was read 'Institutes' and argue with dumb Arminians.
You ever wonder why people hate Calvins theology so much? Its not because it is un-biblical. It is because it takes power away from men and gives it back to God where it truly belongs.
You ever wonder why people hate Calvins theology so much? Its not because it is un-biblical. It is because it takes power away from men and gives it back to God where it truly belongs.
I disagree here, I do not think this is why people disagree with calvanism. As for th people who hate it usually love their sin and hate OSAS. And want to live under law. Then again, they hate grace, not calvanism, they just take it out on calvanism because of the term OSAS.
Sorry your wrong, Paul spoke in present tense.
He spoke of the war that Only children in christ have, A non child of Christ does nto have this war. CHapter 8 is paul showing us how we have victory in this war.
He spoke of the war that Only children in christ have, A non child of Christ does nto have this war. CHapter 8 is paul showing us how we have victory in this war.
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He is using a literary device called personating. Paul was not saying that as an Apostle who has traveled the world preaching holy living that he still can't stop sinning, that as an Apostle he does sinful things. That violates what he just said in ch 6 and what he is about to say in ch 8.
Paul is contrasting what happens when we walk int he flesh vs when we walk in the spirit. Your trying to twist his words and take him out of context. We all struggle when we4 chose to follow the flesh and not the spirit. Thats why we continue to sin, because the flesh will still be a part of our lives until we are ressurected.
If you do not think you have a problem with the flesh (self centeredness), then I am worried for you.
There is NO CONTEXT in which any argument should be stating people does not read the Bible.. I know other people do it all the time, but they have been called out also. 2 wrongs do not make a right my friend..
Paul is contrasting what happens when we walk int he flesh vs when we walk in the spirit. Your trying to twist his words and take him out of context. We all struggle when we4 chose to follow the flesh and not the spirit. Thats why we continue to sin, because the flesh will still be a part of our lives until we are ressurected.
If you do not think you have a problem with the flesh (self centeredness), then I am worried for you.
If you do not think you have a problem with the flesh (self centeredness), then I am worried for you.
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A man that was drowning does not boast in his belief that the life guard could save him and that is why he stretched forth his hand. He boasts in his savior, not in his God given ability to stretch forth his hand and be saved. His eyes are not on himself, his boast is not that he believed. His boast is one of gratitude for being saved.
As for faith, it cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. It cometh, as one is awakened if you will to the facts (the truth). It is not as if God has put faith in a concoction and poured it into a bottle to drip into the mouths of those He wishes to save. His desire to save all contradicts with your premise of election, and that Christ died for all also opposes your idea of faith and salvation.
We are not God's slaves, robotic creatures only believing because He has deemed it so by injecting faith into us. What pleasure is it for God to have a man believe if the man's belief is simply instilled by God? That is like drawing a masterpiece and praising your son for his work, illogical.
As for faith, it cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. It cometh, as one is awakened if you will to the facts (the truth). It is not as if God has put faith in a concoction and poured it into a bottle to drip into the mouths of those He wishes to save. His desire to save all contradicts with your premise of election, and that Christ died for all also opposes your idea of faith and salvation.
We are not God's slaves, robotic creatures only believing because He has deemed it so by injecting faith into us. What pleasure is it for God to have a man believe if the man's belief is simply instilled by God? That is like drawing a masterpiece and praising your son for his work, illogical.
So how are we suddenly able to relate to the savior in such a way as to save ourselves? And why in the world are we even needing a lifeguard if we can save ourselves? And why do you need faith since you saved self?
Would you please stop proclaiming the self-saving gospel!
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who died on the cross. Wrote the word. Gave the law to lead us, convicts us, teaches us, shows us?
for apart from these we can never have the faith you ask about.
for apart from these we can never have the faith you ask about.
I don't understand why they both can't be gifts from God.
I have asked this question before but not much of an answer from anyone.
WHERE DOES FAITH COME FROM IF NOT FROM GOD?
I have asked this question before but not much of an answer from anyone.
WHERE DOES FAITH COME FROM IF NOT FROM GOD?
And, if that's true, then two things must happen:
1. I must faint.
2. You just said even faith is part of what God gives us to save us.
(Feeling a little dizzy, but cannot faint until you agree with this. lol)