Calvinists: The Just Shall Live BEFORE Having Faith

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BillG

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The Scriptures never say that. You are making Christ's death unnecessary If OT people were already regenerated.
What do you mean by regenerated?
What is it to be regenerated?
 
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You are misinterpreting those verses you posted because none of them say man is absolutely spiritually dead. I have shown you from the OT only 4 examples of people who were not absolutely spiritually dead and you ignored them.
For the record, nowhere did I even interpret the verses, I merely provided them. There was no ignoring your misused passages whatsoever.

The verses you've provided fall under at least four categories: 1) None of them prove your point; 2) Each of them are being pitted against verses you don't happen to like because they expose your error; 3) You don't respect the word of God nor do you use proper context; 4) You're misusing them to prove OT saints to be saved, but then deny they are saved when convenient, or, you twist the meaning of salvation altogether, forcing upon the word of God your false gospel.

Paul warned of this type of thing in 2 Corinthians 2:17, and 2 Corinthians 4:1-4, and 2 Timothy 3 & 4.
 

Nehemiah6

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I know exactly what I am saying. Calvinists say regeneration happens before someone has faith and that is backwards from Biblical truth.
This is true, but no need to belabor the point. Even Spurgeon failed to explain this bizarre phenomenon, but insisted that that is what happens, as though insisting on a fallacy makes it true.

As you may have noticed, ad hominem attacks are substituted for Bible exposition in this thread.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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I agree, but the Bible never says the OT people were regenerated.
Ezekiel Chapter 36

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.



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1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
 
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Ezekiel Chapter 36

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
That's prophesying the New Testament.
 

posthuman

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They are called the Old Testament (Contract) and New Testament (Contract) for a reason. It is not a single book. Nobody follows an old contract after a new one is made.

you might be surprised LOL ;)








still, in all the scripture Christ is revealed and all scripture testifies of Him. it is all one revelation of God, though it records several covenants.
 

posthuman

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Read and define "dead" in Eph 2:1 as used in its paragraph. Words are defined in their context used not by picking definitions out of a dictionary.

sure.
verse 5 -- God made us alive.
verse 8 -- it is not of ourselves.
verse 12 -- ((while dead)) separate from God

this declares the inability of the dead. it does not say "wounded" or "slightly incapacitated" it says "dead" and the way it is used is entirely consistent with the standard definition of "dead" that we intuit from physical death.

verse 3 -- children of wrath. how many fathers can a man have? can he be a child of wrath and a child of blessing simultaneously?
 
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Devo is avering unregenerate ppl saved. Let that sink in ppl. Let that sink in.

#Heresyabounds
 

DJ2

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This member's purpose seems to be causing dissension and strife.
You and EG need not be so judgmental about my judgement on preacher4truth judgement on post#6 about devotiontobible's judgement.

It is also my judgement that asinine is not a "cuss" word.

BTW, did you also report preacher4truth's use of the same word on post 6 or are you selective about who you tattle on.
 

Magenta

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In my view the above is wrong, wrong, wrong.
One is born “saved”. You lose your “saved” status by your unjust works.
You can on the other hand be forgiven if you repent.
Repent and believe, and you WILL BE saved.

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eternally-gratefull

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"they drank of the same Spiritual Rock that accompanied them, and that Rock was Christ"

amen

I think people forget. YHWH God of the OT was pre-incarnat Christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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sure.
verse 5 -- God made us alive.
verse 8 -- it is not of ourselves.
verse 12 -- ((while dead)) separate from God

this declares the inability of the dead. it does not say "wounded" or "slightly incapacitated" it says "dead" and the way it is used is entirely consistent with the standard definition of "dead" that we intuit from physical death.

verse 3 -- children of wrath. how many fathers can a man have? can he be a child of wrath and a child of blessing simultaneously?

Don;t forget. Eph 2: 8-9 explains the process of how one was made alive, who was dead because of sin.