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If God chooses who will be saved,and not saved,in the beginning,without the choice of the people to accept or reject truth,here are some faults with that.
1.God's kingdom is not true love,for they have no choice but to say I love you seeing no other alternative.I programmed my computer to say,I love you,but does my computer love me.
2.God would be condemning people that have no choice but to reject the truth seeing no other alternative,and God is not evil.
3.All have sinned and come short of the glory of God,and there is no one that does good,no,not one,and all our righteousness is as filthy rags,and God is no respecter of persons,and says who makes you to differ from another,so why would God choose some,and not others,without their choice,when all people are the same as sinners,and if you offend in the least of the law you offend all the law.
4.If God chose them in the beginning without their choice,then their repentance is not real,their confession of Christ is not real,their love for God and Christ is not real,for it does not come from them but God.
5.If God chose who will be saved in the beginning without their choice,then God would of not created the earth,for it would serve no purpose,because He could of created them with a glorified body to dwell with Him,and cut out the earth,and the result would be the same for they have no choice so their choice is not real,and He would not allow all the suffering,and pain,and troubles,that goes on in the earth,and would not condemn anyone that did not have a choice.
They need to understand the Bible.
God says He wants all people to repent,and come to the truth,and be saved,so He did not choose who will be saved or not saved without their choice,although they would of not gotten to the door of truth if God did not intervene in their life,but they have to make the choice to walk through that door,which is to understand that they have to abstain from sin by the Spirit,which some do not do that.
That is why the Bible says many are called but few are chosen,for not everybody walks through that door of truth that confesses Christ,and God does the calling and choosing on earth.
If God chose in the beginning who will be saved without their choice then why would He be calling people on earth that cannot be chosen,for many are called but few are chosen.
God had the plan to give mankind salvation,so it is the same as if the saints have that salvation in the beginning,although it was a future event to all who accept that salvation,like the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world,and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world,although they were future events,for God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened.
The Spirit and bride say,Come,and whosoever will can have that salvation,and Jesus lights every person that is born in this world,which means everybody has the chance to see the light of Jesus and be saved.
God says He wants all people to repent,and come to the truth,and be saved,and many are called but few are chosen,but they will still insist that they were chosen in the beginning,and do not make a choice,so they cannot fall,once saved always saved,but how do they come to that interpretation.
They like to believe that way so they do not have pressure in their life,but the Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,and they can enjoy sin,and do not have to worry about it affecting their relationship with God,but the Bible says the Lord knows them that are His having this seal,which this is the seal that seals the deal,that everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity,and Paul said awake to righteousness,and sin not,but some have not the knowledge of God,and he speaks that to their shame.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
If works do not matter why did Jesus tell them to repent of their lack of works,and their works were not perfect before God,because if you lack works then you lack love,and love is greater than faith.
Paul says love does think an evil thought,and does not sin by the Spirit,but I suppose they are not interested when Paul speaks like that,but they like when he says faith alone,and not saved by works,but that is when we confess Christ,but after we receive the Spirit then it is faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,for we are spiritual then and not fleshy,which Paul says the same thing as James,that if he did not have charity,love in action,then he is nothing,and if they do not have works of love then they have erred from the faith,but I suppose they do not like when Paul says the same thing as James,and they want to drag faith alone,and not saved by works,throughout their walk with Christ.
Faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,means do not lack in love,for if you lack in love then your faith lacks,and you are not being led of the Spirit,which we see many people who claim Christ will enjoy money,and material things,for their wants,which Paul,James,and John,speak against.
1.God's kingdom is not true love,for they have no choice but to say I love you seeing no other alternative.I programmed my computer to say,I love you,but does my computer love me.
2.God would be condemning people that have no choice but to reject the truth seeing no other alternative,and God is not evil.
3.All have sinned and come short of the glory of God,and there is no one that does good,no,not one,and all our righteousness is as filthy rags,and God is no respecter of persons,and says who makes you to differ from another,so why would God choose some,and not others,without their choice,when all people are the same as sinners,and if you offend in the least of the law you offend all the law.
4.If God chose them in the beginning without their choice,then their repentance is not real,their confession of Christ is not real,their love for God and Christ is not real,for it does not come from them but God.
5.If God chose who will be saved in the beginning without their choice,then God would of not created the earth,for it would serve no purpose,because He could of created them with a glorified body to dwell with Him,and cut out the earth,and the result would be the same for they have no choice so their choice is not real,and He would not allow all the suffering,and pain,and troubles,that goes on in the earth,and would not condemn anyone that did not have a choice.
They need to understand the Bible.
God says He wants all people to repent,and come to the truth,and be saved,so He did not choose who will be saved or not saved without their choice,although they would of not gotten to the door of truth if God did not intervene in their life,but they have to make the choice to walk through that door,which is to understand that they have to abstain from sin by the Spirit,which some do not do that.
That is why the Bible says many are called but few are chosen,for not everybody walks through that door of truth that confesses Christ,and God does the calling and choosing on earth.
If God chose in the beginning who will be saved without their choice then why would He be calling people on earth that cannot be chosen,for many are called but few are chosen.
God had the plan to give mankind salvation,so it is the same as if the saints have that salvation in the beginning,although it was a future event to all who accept that salvation,like the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world,and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world,although they were future events,for God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened.
The Spirit and bride say,Come,and whosoever will can have that salvation,and Jesus lights every person that is born in this world,which means everybody has the chance to see the light of Jesus and be saved.
God says He wants all people to repent,and come to the truth,and be saved,and many are called but few are chosen,but they will still insist that they were chosen in the beginning,and do not make a choice,so they cannot fall,once saved always saved,but how do they come to that interpretation.
They like to believe that way so they do not have pressure in their life,but the Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,and they can enjoy sin,and do not have to worry about it affecting their relationship with God,but the Bible says the Lord knows them that are His having this seal,which this is the seal that seals the deal,that everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity,and Paul said awake to righteousness,and sin not,but some have not the knowledge of God,and he speaks that to their shame.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
If works do not matter why did Jesus tell them to repent of their lack of works,and their works were not perfect before God,because if you lack works then you lack love,and love is greater than faith.
Paul says love does think an evil thought,and does not sin by the Spirit,but I suppose they are not interested when Paul speaks like that,but they like when he says faith alone,and not saved by works,but that is when we confess Christ,but after we receive the Spirit then it is faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,for we are spiritual then and not fleshy,which Paul says the same thing as James,that if he did not have charity,love in action,then he is nothing,and if they do not have works of love then they have erred from the faith,but I suppose they do not like when Paul says the same thing as James,and they want to drag faith alone,and not saved by works,throughout their walk with Christ.
Faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,means do not lack in love,for if you lack in love then your faith lacks,and you are not being led of the Spirit,which we see many people who claim Christ will enjoy money,and material things,for their wants,which Paul,James,and John,speak against.
that's more of a problem to me because last I checked his word says clearly "as for God's way his way is perfect".
