Not By Works
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WRONG, it comes from the Bible, in fact JESUS CHRIST. They only copied the Doctrine from us true believers.
John 10:27-30 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] The Father and I are one.”
R
You can't bring yourself to say it, can you?
They are UNSAVED. And this is what I'm trying to point out in this thread. People say believers WILL have works but then turn right around and say the Christian who doesn't have works is saved because salvation is not by works, so works don't matter, and they got saved the moment they first believed and you can't lose it once you have it. All of which negates the Biblical truth that the person who doesn't have works IS NOT SAVED.
See, the new once saved always saved doctrine is built on the traditional argument that the born again person can not lose his salvation but which ignores John's other teaching that says the person who has no works is not born again. It's entirely inconsistent, but that is the contradictory doctrine that is seducing the church at this time.
They are UNSAVED. And this is what I'm trying to point out in this thread. People say believers WILL have works but then turn right around and say the Christian who doesn't have works is saved because salvation is not by works, so works don't matter, and they got saved the moment they first believed and you can't lose it once you have it. All of which negates the Biblical truth that the person who doesn't have works IS NOT SAVED.
See, the new once saved always saved doctrine is built on the traditional argument that the born again person can not lose his salvation but which ignores John's other teaching that says the person who has no works is not born again. It's entirely inconsistent, but that is the contradictory doctrine that is seducing the church at this time.
R
So why haven't you been defending against the people who believe 'once saved always saved' but who don't believe the part about the person who isn't working is not even saved to begin with?
Why are you not defending against this new once saved always saved doctrine in the church that says you can not lose your salvation, and you don't have to have works because salvation is not by works? That's not traditional once saved always saved teaching. You knew that, right?
Why are you not defending against this new once saved always saved doctrine in the church that says you can not lose your salvation, and you don't have to have works because salvation is not by works? That's not traditional once saved always saved teaching. You knew that, right?