GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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GODS COMMANDMENTS BEFORE EXODUS 20

Genesis 26
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Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Genesis 5
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And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Genesis 6
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But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9, These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

God destroys mankind because of sin......

Genesis 6
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And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only EVIL CONTINUALLY.
6, And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7, And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8, But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.


What are these CONTINUAL EVIL THOUGHTS?

Matthew 15
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For out of the heart proceed EVIL THOUGHTS, MURDERS, ADULTERIES, FORNICATION, THEFTS, FALSE WITNESS, BLASPHEMIES
20, These are the things which defile a man:

Evil is breaking God's Commandments in thought and actions.

Cain was punished by God for Murder......

Genesis 4
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And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9, And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
10, And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11, And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
12, When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
13, And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

links to....

1 John 3
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Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15, Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

The Mosaic laws for remission of sin (SACRIFICIAL SIN OFFERINGS) were also practiced BEFORE Sinai....

Genesis 4
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And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering.

Genesis 8
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And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar


SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 Commandments) please read Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:11. God's LAW gives us a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20) SIN offereings were only practiced in the OLD Covenant for the remission or forgiveness of SIN (Breaking God's 10 Commandments) If God's people did not have God's LAW why are they offering SIN offereings to God if these laws were only known about in Mt Sinai?

Abraham and his son practiced and knew about sin offerings...

Genesis 22
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And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
8, And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Exodus 10
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And Moses said, Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God.

Yep once again before Sinai...

The Sabbath was also kept by our first parents and also others BEFORE Sinai. The reason God gave the 10 Commandments again was being His people had been slaves in Egypt for 430 years (Exodus 12:40). God delivered his people from Egypt (the World) and needed to re-teach them his ways which were mostly forgotten by this time.

So yep God's LAW and the laws for remission of sin and burnt offerings of the OLD Covenant were indeed practiced BEFORE Sinai.


Deuteronomy 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
(NOTE: The Sabbath commandment came after the deliverence from Egypt. And was given only to the Nation of Israel) Conclusion: Sabbath observance did not precede the Law of Moses. God's requirement for ""Israel"" to keep the Sabbath does not exist until after the deliverance from Egyptian bondage. And gentiles were never a part of this Law Covenant.[/QUOTE]

Well that is not true at all either. The Sabbath was made at the 7th Day of the creation week and given to Adam and Eve. Let's look at the scriptures........

Genesis 2
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Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
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And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
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And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

RESTEDH7673שָׁבַת shabath
(shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.
{used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific)}[a primitive root]KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep Sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away. Some points to note from the scriptures...............

v1
God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
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God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
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God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
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The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEKLet's now look at God's 4th commandment............

Exodus 20
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Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
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Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
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But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
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For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested theSEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

SABBATH H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath
(shab-bawth') n-e. 1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest.[intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) Sabbath. Root(s): H7673Now who did God make the 7th day a Holy day for? Is he making that day a Holy day for himself? Of course NOT God is already Holy. He has made the day for MANKIND as a HOLY DAY.

Let’s see what Jesus says…………

Mark 2
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And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the Sabbath.
The Sabbath was made for WHO? The Sabbath was made for MAN. So here we have the God of creation telling us why the 7th Day was made a Holy day. It was made for MANKIND

STRONGS Greek MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos
(an'-thrō-pos) n.
1. (literally) man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).
2. (concretely, in Hebrew) a clay being (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). 3. (generically, in English) a human being. 4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone).
[from G435 and ops “the countenance” (from G3700)] KJV: certain, man Root(s): G435, G3700

So the Sabbath was made for Human beings; clay beings (we are made out of the dust); male and female

So God made the 7th day of the week a HOLY day and blessed it for MAN
this now ties in very nicely with the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) God says that it is a specific day which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK that he has made to be a HOLY DAY.

Jesus says it was made Holy in the creation week for mankind. All scriptures connect and are in harmony. Genesis where God made the Day a HOLY DAY;

God’s 4th commandment to His people that says to REMEMBER the Sabbath day to KEEP it a HOLY DAY and Jesus stating that the Sabbath was made for MANKIND (Human beings; male and female).

Now if God made the Sabbath for mankind then obviously Adam and Eve had the Sabbath

The GREEK Word for MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n. is a clay being(a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). There is only two people made out of clay (dust) and that is Adam and Eve. Yep God's Sabbath given to mankind in the Garden of Eden and made in the Creation WEEK. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE it. Those that do not BELIEVE God's Word are UNBELIVERS and UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's Kingdom.

Now I have taken some time to address all of your posts. Please if you disagree please state your case and your scriptures? Simply ignoring my posts does not make the scriptures go away that disagree with you................

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
 

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Where in the letters of the New Testament (inc James and Hebrews) are we once told to observe the Sabbath?

We ARE told not to judge concerning new moons and Sabbaths.

WE believe God
 
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Jackson you are so far behind in understanding you are still wandering about in the wilderness !!! A whole NT has been written for centuries of which you have no knowledge...so a single verse is not going to work miracles for you.
Christ's Grace and forgiveness is totally passing you by while you are still groping in the dark and not letting go of the OT observances. The 'letter of the law demanded instant punishment...the Grace of the NT is of love and time for teaching and correction.
Sorry for 'plain speaking but all else seems lost on you ! this will have to be my last effort as you can't seem to be helped !
Beta, I am not OT observance, I save by grace, that is why I am not observe sabbath.

but brother shamah keep saying the word never pass even a dot, refer to sabbath, this is double standart, If he do believe all word never pass why don't he kill sabbath violator?

[h=1]Numbers 15:32-35King James Version (KJV)[/h]32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
 

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Beta, I am not OT observance, I save by grace, that is why I am not observe sabbath.

but brother shamah keep saying the word never pass even a dot, refer to sabbath, this is double standart, If he do believe all word never pass why don't he kill sabbath violator?

Numbers 15:32-35King James Version (KJV)

32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
How many more times do you have to be told we don't kill violators of the law in the NT...we try to teach them 'repentance and obedience...but if they stubbornly refuse they will be killed by God Himself in the lake of fire from which there is no return... because the disobedient will not be in the Kingdom.

Concentrate on your OWN rehabilitation man and stop worrying what other people do !
 

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Everyone is arguing about the Sabbath but here is some food for thought. We as Christians get our weekly spiritual charge for our Souls from gathering with others. We get tired spiritually if we do not go for a long time, much like not eating does to the body. So if the Sabbath is being violated why does this Spiritual filling from the Holy Ghost continue no matter what day of the week we gather together for service and worship of God? This to me is proof that it does not matter what day of the week you go to worship God with others. Just Go!
 

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Everyone is arguing about the Sabbath but here is some food for thought. We as Christians get our weekly spiritual charge for our Souls from gathering with others. We get tired spiritually if we do not go for a long time, much like not eating does to the body. So if the Sabbath is being violated why does this Spiritual filling from the Holy Ghost continue no matter what day of the week we gather together for service and worship of God? This to me is proof that it does not matter what day of the week you go to worship God with others. Just Go!
Who says the Holy Ghost continues to fill you regardless of .....
Acts 5v32 states that you don't even have the HS unless you are obedient TO GOD ! going to church whenever won't save you.
Are you not aware that there are false christs who teach lies and deceive people ? Mat 24.
 

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Hello Jackson, my friend

You should listen to Shamah and beta my dear friend. They are only trying to help you.

All your questions have already been answered so many times already with God's Word, but you ignore all the posts and scriptures sent to you to help you.

It is ok my friend you are free to choose what you wish to of course. Your salvation is between God and you. Please do not feel you need to answer to anyone here. Maybe you can pray about it all at home.

Just for your interest though your questions have been answered with God's Word in the following posts as well if you want to go back and read them ....

CIVIL LAW of ISRAEL.... Post # 3426; Post # 3721......

COOKING on Sabbath.. - POST # 3654; Post # 3726.

If you do not know how to respond to these posts and the scriptures in them it is ok. Please pray about it at home.


However, simply ignoring the posts and the scriptures sent to you does not make God's Word disappear. They are there for all to see. If you do not BELIEVE. I do not judge you. This is between you and God.

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If disagree with any of the above posts please answer the posts above that you have not responded to using scriptures.
If you cannot you it is wise to BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God.

Those who break God's Commandments and teach against God's LAW and the prophets will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
my Dear friend, I humbly try to show your church inconsistency.

you not cook mean you obseve mosaic law


[h=1]Exodus 35:3[/h]
“Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.”

than you not kill sabbath violator because you say mosaic law is not valid anymore
 

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so you make correction

numbers 15:32-35 God want congregation stoned sabbat violator

you change to

wait till the end time when every body die

So you Will stone sabbath violator after they die?

Is there any stone there?

They allready die, you stone they soul?

seem to me this verse is talking about earthly stone

Numbers 15:32-35King James Version (KJV)

32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
no I dont "make correction"

Why don't you carry out the works of the High Priest?

Is it because Yahsha/Jesus is the Hgih Priest and it is His job not yours?

Jackson, so why don;t you carry out the work of the High Priest?
 

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Who says the Holy Ghost continues to fill you regardless of .....
Acts 5v32 states that you don't even have the HS unless you are obedient TO GOD ! going to church whenever won't save you.
Are you not aware that there are false christs who teach lies and deceive people ? Mat 24.
Jesus is God's Christ, period. I do not teach otherwise.

What I am talking about is the refreshing that a Christian gets when he goes to service. If you don't go to church for a long time and then go you will know exactly what I am talking about. This is a Spiritual recharging of a Christian done by the Holy Ghost. I do suppose this happens when a Christian is in need but on the Norm it happens when you go to Church weekly no matter the day.

This is common sense to those who are Christians and we do feel the refreshing of the spirit.

And as far as obeying the Law, Christ is Grace imparted to us. The Mosaic Law is Death to us. To Teach Otherwise is Judaism not Christianity. So if you obey the Mosaic Law, when was the last time you went to the Temple Mount to make a Sacrifice? Exactly, Old things are done away with because Jesus Christ has made the New way possible. Do not put Old Wine into New Wineskins brother.
 
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Where in the letters of the New Testament (inc James and Hebrews) are we once told to observe the Sabbath? We ARE told not to judge concerning new moons and Sabbaths. WE believe God
The two great witnesses stand before you and both are in agreement. The one witnesses to the other. One is OLD and one is NEW both testify of the Word of God.

You cannot disregard and ignore the OLD Testament scriptures that are the foundation of the NEW Testament. The NEW Testament is built on the Old Testament and together they are the Word of God and is why God's Word says;

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16) and again....

Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4)The Old Testament bears witness to the NEW Testament. Together theses are the two great witnesses that agree together. The Old Testament was the bible of Jesus and the Apostles and is where the NEW Testament scriptures come from. To ignore the Old Testament is to ignore the Word of God and can lead you into a false interpretation of God's Word. The OLD bears witness to the NEW and together they are in harmony with each other.

Genesis 2
1,
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2,
And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3,
And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

RESTEDH7673שָׁבַת shabath (
shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.
{used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific)}[a primitive root]KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep Sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

Some points to note from the scriptures...............

v1
God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v2
God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v3
God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made TH E 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
v2
The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEKLet's now look at God's 4th commandment............

Exodus 20
8,
Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9,
Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested theSEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

SABBATH H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e. 1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest.[intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) Sabbath. Root(s): H7673 REST

The commandments is given to all mankind as a memorial of Creation. It is God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments and we are to remember that God is our creator and keep the 7th day of every week as a holy day. The 7th Day of every week is to be a holy day and no work is to be done on it this day whatsoever.

BUILDING on the OLD to the NEW Testament scriptures which are the two great witnesess the NEW BUILDING on the OLD. The Old Testament scriptures are the foundation of the NEW. This is what it means to build your house on the ROCK and not on sand.

* No uneccessary work to be done on the Sabbath especially business and secular work and housework and work that can be done any other day of the week. It is a day of rest and worship and time dedicated to God.

* We are to prepare for the Sabbath by preparing all meals food and completing houseword and other bussiness and shopping as this is to be avoided on the Sabbath where possible and done before the Sabbath starts

The NEW Testamnent scriptures build on these scriptures. In the NEW Testament Jesus and the scriptures teach us that.........

1. So Jesus taught that it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
and we are not to be budened by man made teaching around God's Sabbath because the Sabbath was made for mankind to be a delight not a buden.

2. Jesus taught that God's Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath; rebuking the tradtions of the Jew in regards to their interpretation around Sabbath keeping? (Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8)

3. Jesus taught that he was the maker and creator of the Sabbath and the God of creation (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)

4. Paul taught that we cannot enter into God's Sabbath rest if we do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God (Hebrews 3 and 4)

5. Jesus is our example who kept the Sabbath as well as all those who followed him (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

6. God's Sabbath is the Lord's Day and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us (Matthew 12:8).

Hope this helps....

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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Everyone is arguing about the Sabbath but here is some food for thought.
It is only those that do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word are arguing with him. What is being shared however is the Word of God. Some will BELIEVE and FOLLOW it some will not. Sin will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM

We as Christians get our weekly spiritual charge for our Souls from gathering with others.
If you are a BELIEVER and FOLLOWER of Jesus then you will BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. UNBELIEVERS are those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God.

We get tired spiritually if we do not go for a long time, much like not eating does to the body. So if the Sabbath is being violated why does this Spiritual filling from the Holy Ghost continue no matter what day of the week we gather together for service and worship of God?

God has many people in all Churches. Many worship God out of ignorance from what they have been taught from the teachings and traditions of men that do not follow the Word of God. These are sincere lost sheep. God is a spirit and those that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth. God is calling his Sheep out to follow him and whorship him in Spirit and in truth...

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:3-4)

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that OBEY HIM (Acts 5:32).

This to me is proof that it does not matter what day of the week you go to worship God with others. Just Go!
The only proof if one is a BELIEVER is if you are BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING GOD'S Word (John 8:31). If you are not God says these people are UNBELIVERS (1 John 2:3-4).

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
 
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Jesus is God's Christ, period. I do not teach otherwise.
If you teach against God's Word then you do indeed teach something different to God's Word.

What I am talking about is the refreshing that a Christian gets when he goes to service.
Unbeliever meet together as well as those of the world. Yet those who practice SIN will not enter into God's Kingdom.

If you don't go to church for a long time and then go you will know exactly what I am talking about. This is a Spiritual recharging of a Christian done by the Holy Ghost. I do suppose this happens when a Christian is in need but on the Norm it happens when you go to Church weekly no matter the day.
God has many people in all Churches. Many worship God out of ignorance from what they have been taught from the teachings and traditions of men that do not follow the Word of God.

These are sincere lost sheep. God is a spirit and those that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth. God is calling his Sheep out to follow him and whorship him in Spirit and in truth...

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).


This is common sense to those who are Christians and we do feel the refreshing of the spirit.
God only gives His Spirit to those who BELIEVE and OBEY him (Acts 5:32)

And as far as obeying the Law, Christ is Grace imparted to us. The Mosaic Law is Death to us. To Teach Otherwise is Judaism not Christianity.
No one is teaching anyone that we are saved by keeping God's LAW. We are saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8)

However if your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's LAW through LOVE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son. (James 2:18; 20; 26). If you are still in your SINS then your tree will be cast down and thrown into the FIRE (Matthew 7:12-23; Hebrews 10:26-27)

So if you obey the Mosaic Law, when was the last time you went to the Temple Mount to make a Sacrifice? Exactly, Old things are done away with because Jesus Christ has made the New way possible. Do not put Old Wine into New Wineskins brother.
This statement only shows you have not read the OP and do not know what the OLD and NEW Covenants are. Please read the OP. If you disagree with it once you have read it share your thoughts and scriptures. If you have not read the OP how can you offer anything to the discussion?

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 

FlyingDove

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Who says the Holy Ghost continues to fill you regardless of .....
Acts 5v32 states that you don't even have the HS unless you are obedient TO GOD ! going to church whenever won't save you.
Are you not aware that there are false christs who teach lies and deceive people ? Mat 24.

At savlation God gives us the HOLY SPIRIT as: A Seal, A Down Payment, A deposit, A Guard, A pledge. ITS A GUARANTEE!

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed "ye were sealed with that holy Spirit'' of promise
(NOTE: When you believed, you were "SEALED" by the HOLY SPIRIT, a promise of God)

Eph 1:14 Which is the down payment of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession
(NOTE: The HOLY SPIRIT the you were SEALED with is GODS down payment on your salvation)

Eph 4:30 grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are "sealed" unto the day of redemption
(NOTE: GODS HOLY SPIRIT IS A SEAL given unto you receive your incorruptible heavenly body (1 Cor 15:42-44-53) on the day of redemption)

Tim 1:14 The Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you
(NOTE: God gives us the HOLY SPIRIT as a deposit. To guard us until the final day of redemption)

2 cor 1:22 Who hath also "sealed us" & "given the earnest" of the Holy Spirit in our hearts
(NOTE: God has SEALED us with a down payment of the HOLY SPIRIT)

2 Cor 5:5 God, who also hath given unto us "the earnest" of the Spirit
(NOTE: God have given us the HOLY SPIRIT as a down payment = the earnest)
 
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At savlation God gives us the HOLY SPIRIT as: A Seal, A Down Payment, A deposit, A Guard, A pledge. ITS A GUARANTEE!

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed "ye were sealed with that holy Spirit'' of promise
(NOTE: When you believed, you were "SEALED" by the HOLY SPIRIT, a promise of God)

Eph 1:14 Which is the down payment of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession
(NOTE: The HOLY SPIRIT the you were SEALED with is GODS down payment on your salvation)

Eph 4:30 grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are "sealed" unto the day of redemption
(NOTE: GODS HOLY SPIRIT IS A SEAL given unto you receive your incorruptible heavenly body (1 Cor 15:42-44-53) on the day of redemption)

Tim 1:14 The Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you
(NOTE: God gives us the HOLY SPIRIT as a deposit. To guard us until the final day of redemption)

2 cor 1:22 Who hath also "sealed us" & "given the earnest" of the Holy Spirit in our hearts
(NOTE: God has SEALED us with a down payment of the HOLY SPIRIT)

2 Cor 5:5 God, who also hath given unto us "the earnest" of the Spirit
(NOTE: God have given us the HOLY SPIRIT as a down payment = the earnest)
Hello Friend,

God has many people in all Churches. Many worship God out of ignorance from what they have been taught from the teachings and traditions of men that do not follow the Word of God.

These are sincere lost sheep. God is a spirit and those that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth. God is calling his Sheep out to follow him and whorship him in Spirit and in truth...

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).


God's Spirit is a HOLY Spirit. Those that are still in their SINS do not have God's Spirit because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son. Those that practice KNOWN SIN do not KNOW HIM who call them in LOVE to LOVE (1 John 2:3-4)

DO YOU KNOW GOD


1 John 2
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My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.DO YOU WANT GODS HOLY SPIRIT

John 14
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If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

DO YOU WANT GODS HOLY SPIRIT

John 14
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If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Acts 5
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And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom GOD HAS GIVEN TO THOSE WHO OBEY HIM.

WANT TO BE ONE OF GODS SAINTS

Revelation 14
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Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God, and the faith of Jesus

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
 

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Jesus is God's Christ, period. I do not teach otherwise.

What I am talking about is the refreshing that a Christian gets when he goes to service. If you don't go to church for a long time and then go you will know exactly what I am talking about. This is a Spiritual recharging of a Christian done by the Holy Ghost. I do suppose this happens when a Christian is in need but on the Norm it happens when you go to Church weekly no matter the day.

This is common sense to those who are Christians and we do feel the refreshing of the spirit.

And as far as obeying the Law, Christ is Grace imparted to us. The Mosaic Law is Death to us. To Teach Otherwise is Judaism not Christianity. So if you obey the Mosaic Law, when was the last time you went to the Temple Mount to make a Sacrifice? Exactly, Old things are done away with because Jesus Christ has made the New way possible. Do not put Old Wine into New Wineskins brother.
In your earlier post you made ref to the Sabbath day which is one of GOD's Commandments...not Moses....so why are you changing the subject ?
There is no commandment or requirement to attend church any day you like...that is MAN's teaching you are promoting...you know what JESUS says about man's traditions ? You are not a 'sound teacher !
 

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Salvation for all nations

Isaiah 56:3-5

3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

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For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

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Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

These verses are not speaking about the second temple that was in Jerusalem.

Shalom
 
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At savlation God gives us the HOLY SPIRIT as: A Seal, A Down Payment, A deposit, A Guard, A pledge. ITS A GUARANTEE!

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed "ye were sealed with that holy Spirit'' of promise
(NOTE: When you believed, you were "SEALED" by the HOLY SPIRIT, a promise of God)

Eph 1:14 Which is the down payment of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession
(NOTE: The HOLY SPIRIT the you were SEALED with is GODS down payment on your salvation)

Eph 4:30 grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are "sealed" unto the day of redemption
(NOTE: GODS HOLY SPIRIT IS A SEAL given unto you receive your incorruptible heavenly body (1 Cor 15:42-44-53) on the day of redemption)

Tim 1:14 The Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you
(NOTE: God gives us the HOLY SPIRIT as a deposit. To guard us until the final day of redemption)

2 cor 1:22 Who hath also "sealed us" & "given the earnest" of the Holy Spirit in our hearts
(NOTE: God has SEALED us with a down payment of the HOLY SPIRIT)

2 Cor 5:5 God, who also hath given unto us "the earnest" of the Spirit
(NOTE: God have given us the HOLY SPIRIT as a down payment = the earnest)
Yes, and you seem to totally IGNORE what happens when you GRIEVE the Holy Spirit and fall behind or away from the promise ...which MANY do ...since they will NOT be in the Kingdom Mat7v21,22.
They mistakenly take for granted that the downpayment/deposit is sufficient to get them saved....they miss the point that 'full payment must be made....according to GOD's Will.
 

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no I dont "make correction"

Why don't you carry out the works of the High Priest?

Is it because Yahsha/Jesus is the Hgih Priest and it is His job not yours?

Jackson, so why don;t you carry out the work of the High Priest?
I do not know what do you mean by not make correction.

the word say you AS congregation must kill sabbath violator, and you say It is wrong, Jesus must kill sabbath violator