What does this mean: "I have said, Ye are gods..."
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Naw just to be clear, there is One God, as i have stated in those comments more than Once. the issue is " does the scripture, call them gods to whom the word of God came" the answer, is yes scripture does say that, and then, you have Jesus lol explaining it too. om not sure how that means i believe in more than One God
id have to stick that one back in ur hip pocket yu will never find a word of mine claiming more than the One true and Only God.that being said it does not change the fact that scripture does say exactly what Jesus Christ the Son of God, said. Jesus claim, was to be the Son of God, not God. the jews, then heard this and accused Him of blasphemy, because he said He was Gods Son, thats the only reason, Jesus brings up those scriptures. for the record, Jesus is not saying anyone are gods, he is saying, that the scripture says it, in thier Law, as a defense because they worshipped the Law.
Notice later they then claim that thier Father is God. yet they are accusing Jesus, of blasphemy for saying it. this isnt really even a debate. were not discussing our opinions here, does the scripture call them gods, to whom the Word of God came? i mean its not a debate, its a provable fact ive quoted the scriptures more than once . sometimes, people think they Know so much that we look directly at scripture and refuse it. who is the scripture referring to?
psalm 82 " God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. < Gods constant rebuke of israel
"3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. << Gods constant instruction to Israel
4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked < Gods constant call to israel see isaiah 58)
5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. ( Israel who refused to see and Hear again a constant statement through the bible.)
6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." <<< who are the children of God ?
again, God calls them gods, and they refused to hear, He offered man life, and we chose death. Jesus is absolutely correct and He is absolutely quoting this psalm, whoch is about those who receive Gods Word, its just what is written there doesnt seem a debate really.
here i forgot to add this
6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." <<< who are the children of God ?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
v9 " That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11He came unto his own, ( israel) and his own received him not. 12But as many as received him,( all nations) to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
those who receive Gods word....have the power to be sons of God. and the scripture does say what it says about Children of the Most High God he called them gods......
sorry to get off track here tho friend, i hope theres no personal offense or anything, to me its just whats there Just Like Jesus said, and it actually meant just what He said. " gods" can be a wooden voodoo doll, al ofthe many idolatrous peoples inventions can be called " gods" , even today, technology could be called a god. certainly scrioture calls those who receive Gods word, His Children and that in at least the pharisees view, it was blasphemous. i think this ios one of those deals where people all have thier own idea of the term " god"
6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." <<< who are the children of God ?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
v9 " That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11He came unto his own, ( israel) and his own received him not. 12But as many as received him,( all nations) to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
those who receive Gods word....have the power to be sons of God. and the scripture does say what it says about Children of the Most High God he called them gods......
sorry to get off track here tho friend, i hope theres no personal offense or anything, to me its just whats there Just Like Jesus said, and it actually meant just what He said. " gods" can be a wooden voodoo doll, al ofthe many idolatrous peoples inventions can be called " gods" , even today, technology could be called a god. certainly scrioture calls those who receive Gods word, His Children and that in at least the pharisees view, it was blasphemous. i think this ios one of those deals where people all have thier own idea of the term " god"
How can you make that statement against this scripture?
In whomthe god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
satan is the god of this world who blinds minds as He has always done to man. again, please dont take this and now say i believe satan is god or anything lol there are gods, that is not the same as the truth that there is One God and Father of creation, and One Lord seated at His right hand.
i think maybe you are thinking the term god means one thing, and others including myself understand the difference in the many gods that exist in heaven and in eearth, and the TRUE GOD, who is the Only GOD. we are made in His image......and there are many gods, including the god of this world. and the many spoiroitual powers and principalities we are warned of in the heavenly realms.
there is One God, and many gods.
you are not determining
the difference in God almighty, and the fact that God, calls those who accept His word, gods. its a fact
is paul a polythiest also ?
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, << this is the subject ) we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."
One God, One Lord, many gods many lords in heaven and earth, yet unto us, the church there is one God and Father and One Lord Jesus Christ accomplished according to peter, this way
J
the DSS and LXX both agree that it is in fact "gods"
DSS -
6 I said, “You are gods,
all of you are sons of the Most High.
LXX -
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you children of the Most High. 7 But ye die as men, and fall as one of the princes.
mainstream Jews argue this same subject and i have never heard any of them mention this "accent" theory. and these guys have been in Hebrew school since they were five.
DSS -
6 I said, “You are gods,
all of you are sons of the Most High.
LXX -
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you children of the Most High. 7 But ye die as men, and fall as one of the princes.
mainstream Jews argue this same subject and i have never heard any of them mention this "accent" theory. and these guys have been in Hebrew school since they were five.
It is one thing to simply quote Scripture, and it is another thing to understand what is being said. Yes, God called His judges "gods" (*the mighty* = mighty ones) and at the same time He soundly rebuked them for their evil deeds. Had the translators used *mighty ones* in that Scripture, it would have been consistent with the meaning of elohim. But since they chose to use *gods* we have a duty to interpret Scripture properly.
So in essence God was not saying that they were literally gods, but that they were supposed to represent the justice of God on earth -- standing in the place of God -- but were engaging in injustice.
Also, we need to see what the whole Bible has to says about *gods*. All the gods of the heathen are clearly identified as false gods and demons. So do we accept them as *gods* (and *goddesses*) or do we reject them as false gods (Q)
So in essence God was not saying that they were literally gods, but that they were supposed to represent the justice of God on earth -- standing in the place of God -- but were engaging in injustice.
Also, we need to see what the whole Bible has to says about *gods*. All the gods of the heathen are clearly identified as false gods and demons. So do we accept them as *gods* (and *goddesses*) or do we reject them as false gods (Q)
J
so im guessing these WOF people have a doctrine based on this verse. i didnt know this. im not trying to proclaim some new doctrine and start a new sect of Christianity, i just want to understand the proper translation of a passage.
again, no one is making a doctrine.
this megeth does not make the word judges being as you have the same word with the same megeth in other places of the bible and its not judges.
here is the hebrew word for judge:
1777. din
Short Definition: judge
see post 145
no ones making doctrine. im just trying to let the scriptures speak for themselves and not conform them to fit within my perimeter of limited understanding. to many times we dont understand things but rather than try and study it we just say it must mean something else
i will be happy to answer but first you have to explain how it is relevant to this subject.
again, no one is making a doctrine.
this megeth does not make the word judges being as you have the same word with the same megeth in other places of the bible and its not judges.
here is the hebrew word for judge:
1777. din
Short Definition: judge
see post 145
no ones making doctrine. im just trying to let the scriptures speak for themselves and not conform them to fit within my perimeter of limited understanding. to many times we dont understand things but rather than try and study it we just say it must mean something else
i will be happy to answer but first you have to explain how it is relevant to this subject.
Philippians 3
Or maybe we can go with do not judge anything before the time
yes, we judge all things but we don’t abuse our authority and curse or judge SNYONE unto condemnstion
brvsize there is Dejesus the possibility that the ignorance might be given the knowledge of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and repent
Or maybe we can go with do not judge anything before the time
yes, we judge all things but we don’t abuse our authority and curse or judge SNYONE unto condemnstion
brvsize there is Dejesus the possibility that the ignorance might be given the knowledge of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and repent
J
i already said they where judges, you even added the quote where i say they are judges so what are you talking about. are you saying they are human judges like us? they walk in darkness means what exactly? fallen angels can not walk in darkness? they will die like men, yeah because men so often forget that they have a mortal life? these judges are obviousely being judged by the Almighty and your saying that His judgment is for them to die like men which according to you they are men so they are going to die anyway, that makes little sense.
im reading nothing into the text, the text says gods, i understand it to mean gods, its not an assumption, its right there in scripture. complicating things would be taking a word, such as "gods" and changing it to "men".
You also made this statement, "so when the Almighty says sons of the Most High are in fact gods, is this an error?" It is not a matter of being in error, it's a matter of rightly understand what God means by READING THE CONTEXT." Why complicate things with "assumptions, presumptions, or reading into the text something that is not there. There are times when one should not be a "literalist" just like you saying, "The Most High says they are in fact gods, is this an error?" No, it's not an error. Jesus said He is the bread of life so would you take that literally and think that Jesus is a loaf of bread? Come on, THINK!
IN GOD THE SON,
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IN GOD THE SON,
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J
Exodus 23:13
“Pay attention to all that I have said to you, and make no mention of the names of other gods, nor let it be heard on your lips.
Deuteronomy 6:14
You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are around you—
Deuteronomy 32:17
They sacrificed to demons that were no gods, to gods they had never known, to new gods that had come recently, whom your fathers had never dreaded.
Exodus 15:11
“Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?
Joshua 24:2
And Joshua said to all the people, “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Long ago, your fathers lived beyond the Euphrates, Terah, the father of Abraham and of Nahor; and they served other gods.
Deuteronomy 10:17
For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe.
“Pay attention to all that I have said to you, and make no mention of the names of other gods, nor let it be heard on your lips.
Deuteronomy 6:14
You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are around you—
Deuteronomy 32:17
They sacrificed to demons that were no gods, to gods they had never known, to new gods that had come recently, whom your fathers had never dreaded.
Exodus 15:11
“Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?
Joshua 24:2
And Joshua said to all the people, “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Long ago, your fathers lived beyond the Euphrates, Terah, the father of Abraham and of Nahor; and they served other gods.
Deuteronomy 10:17
For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe.