Not By Works

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NoNameMcgee

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And you're not part of His work obviously 'coz you're not a part of Him who do His work of salvation here on earth, His body, the church
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false accusation


otherwise you will call yourself a WORKS SALVATIONIST
false assumption

which you invented to create division in the church.
the only divison he is making is between those who trust in the promises of Jesus Christ

and those who trust in themself

swing and a miss
 
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joefizz

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Well back to having a headache my uncle's back.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So you are being ignored, just like I am being ignored. It reminds me of the JWs and Mormons, that come knocking at your door. You give them Bible Truths, and they ARE TRAINED TO IGNORE IT, so they just change the subject, so that your statement or questions they won't interfere with their SPIEL, instead of answering it. Like my unanswered explanation of James 2:14-18, when he said Faith without works is Dead, IS ONLY HOW OUR LOVE must be exhibited, or it really isn't GOD'S LOVE inside of us; comparing it to GOD's parallel verse in 1 John 3:14-18,#52906 .

I respond to their ignoring me, in a different way. Let it be what they emulate, they want to identify with known psuedo-christian cults, so be it.

I hear ya bro.. How have you been feeling? Hope your doing better!
 
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NoNameMcgee

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That is hilarious.....the only thing I am dividing are the tares who teach a working for false dogma from those who rightfully and biblically teach salvation by grace dia faith.......come back with something of value.......
oh you beat me to it

lol

i spent too much time quoting
 

BillG

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One thing that always amazes me about the workers for is the simple truth that JESUS did not say to the many in number that they had not done the wonderful works in his name....he does say that he never knew them which goes to the root....they were never saved and yet in their mind they were saved, knew Christ and were very religious and working under the banner of his name.....how hard is it to equate this to many so called Christian religions today....

a. They claim to know JESUS...
b. They do any works in his name or under his banner...
c. They believe it is part of the equation that allows entrance into heaven...

YET their ROOT or SALVATION is based upon a false pretense and under an incorrect view that their works are part of the equation.......NO MATTER how many works one does, even in the name of JESUS, if the LORD does not know you by your faith and belief into the correct message of salvation you will be found in your sins and a worker of iniquity<---Just like he told the Pharisee of his day....YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS.......
That's why people should really read and get a understanding of

Matthew 25:31-46
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?
39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’
45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Matthew 7:21-23
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

What is it they lacked?
Was it great works?
Feeding the hungry is a great work.

Just as casting out demons.

The work of the Father is to believe in the one he sent JESUS
Out of that we do great works that he considers worthy.

Repent, believe and do works out of love, because we love him and know him.
Works that are crap will be burned up, yet we will not.
Because we are in Jesus and he is in us.
 
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That's why people should really read and get a understanding of

Matthew 25:31-46
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?
39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’
45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Matthew 7:21-23
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

What is it they lacked?
Was it great works?
Feeding the hungry is a great work.

Just as casting out demons.

The work of the Father is to believe in the one he sent JESUS
Out of that we do great works that he considers worthy.

Repent, believe and do works out of love, because we love him and know him.
Works that are crap will be burned up, yet we will not.
Because we are in Jesus and he is in us.
AMEN bro..........the road to hell is paved with good intentions and good works <----(void of JESUS by faith that is and or devaluing said faith by additions and embellishments)
 

stonesoffire

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nope
lol

those who are correct only need to look to the truth

answers right there


and those with a false gospel typically just pull random garbage out of their open sepulchre
aw, man...what does it take to be able to rep again?
 

BillG

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AMEN bro..........the road to hell is paved with good intentions and good works <----(void of JESUS by faith that is and or devaluing said faith by additions and embellishments)
It's all about faith and why we do it.
It's all about the foundation we build on.
I'd it's worthless it will be burned up, but not us.

I have spoke with many a person who say "I hope my good works well save me when I meet God"
Most being non believers in Jesus.
When I talk about Jesus they poo poo Him.
Just a man nothing more nothing less. A guru. Yet some just say he is a myth.

I do think though that genuine believers who build or teach incorrectly will still be saved, even if am works are burned.

It is by faith we have been saved. Nothing more or nothing less.
 

Seohce

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One thing that always amazes me about the workers for is the simple truth that JESUS did not say to the many in number that they had not done the wonderful works in his name....he does say that he never knew them which goes to the root....they were never saved and yet in their mind they were saved, knew Christ and were very religious and working under the banner of his name.....how hard is it to equate this to many so called Christian religions today....

a. They claim to know JESUS...
b. They do any works in his name or under his banner...
c. They believe it is part of the equation that allows entrance into heaven...

YET their ROOT or SALVATION is based upon a false pretense and under an incorrect view that their works are part of the equation.......NO MATTER how many works one does, even in the name of JESUS, if the LORD does not know you by your faith and belief into the correct message of salvation you will be found in your sins and a worker of iniquity<---Just like he told the Pharisee of his day....YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS.......
1 Corinthians 8:1-3 Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that we all possess knowledge. KàNOWLEDGE PUFFS UP, BUT LOVE BUILDS UP. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God.

IT IS ONE THING TO SAY AND CLAIM AND ANOTHER THING TO DO AND WALK THE TALK.( 1 John chapter 1 )

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what i say?

Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

A SERVANT WHO DOES NOT FOLLOW AND OBEY HIS MASTERS INSTRUCTIONS ARE NOT WORTHY SERVANTS OF HIS MASTER OR LORD.

Matthew 25:26-30 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. “‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
 

stonesoffire

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There's just so much more to build on the foundation. Am itching to go there, but cant.
 

Seohce

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Matthew 25:31-46 The Sheep and the Goats “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’ “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
 
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valleyofdecision

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And you're not part of His work obviously 'coz you're not a part of Him who do His work of salvation here on earth, His body, the church, otherwise you will call yourself a WORKS SALVATIONIST which you invented to create division in the church.
John 10:37-38

[SUP]37 [/SUP]If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; [SUP]38 [/SUP]but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”

Jesus did not do his works to be saved, Jesus did works so that it would lead people to see the Father in him and that Father and Jesus "knew" each other or were one with each other.

The lesson for us today by this passage is simple:

We do not do works to gain salvation, we do works after salvation so that that it would lead people to see the Christ in us and that Jesus and Us "knew" each other or were one with each other.

This is expounded all over the Gospels:

Matt 5:16

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
 
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John 6



26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.



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praise God for His promises


even out of His own mouth

im so greatful for the first fruits He provided

because now ive seen i am a new creature and i KNOW He keeps His promises

ALL glory to God for my salvation
and any good that He uses me for

may He bless those here in error with the TRUTH so they too can be fruitful and be at peace in HIM
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i have to go back to work
Hey joaniemarie, are you repeating your own posts again?

Wait, that's not her.

Yeah, she doesn't use 1 inch tall letters.

Sorry JM!
 
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That is hilarious.....THE ONLY THING I AM DIVIDNG ARE THE TARES who teach a working for false dogma from those who rightfully and biblically teach salvation by grace dia faith.......come back with something of value.......
New International Version 1984 1 Corinthians 4:5-7 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

21st Century King James Version Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “Gather ye TOGETHER first the tares, and BIND THEM IN BUNDLES TO BURN THEM, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

YOU WILL BE WORKING AS A REAPER COME HARVEST TIME AND THAT WILL CONTRADICT YOUR INVENTED WORKS SALVATION DOCTRINE.