Has Jesus Christ returned?
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Revelation 3:12 and Hebrews 12:22 are speaking of the same city.
Revelation 3:12 “The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.”
Hebrews 12:22 “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,”
I hope this answers your question.
Revelation 3:12 “The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.”
Hebrews 12:22 “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,”
I hope this answers your question.
Brother Ahwatukee,
I understand if you lead the one from error you save a soul. Even with the views of Preterism, Amillennialism, even Calvinism ( a view that many people have ) If they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ who came down from heaven, died, rose again, they are spirit filled believers.
I think a lot of policing can be done in Scripture game, to see who is being for real or not I guess, but I don't rely on the scripture police, I just rely on the Lord Jesus Christ, and live by the spirit of God, and Love God and Others.
There is an orthodoxy way of doing things, that has been done for 2000 years, or you can Live a life without having any orthodoxy in your life, because of the Lord Jesus Christ and everything He did. The Freedom that is allowed by the Holy Spirit.
There are many people who do like being told what to do, what to believe, and what to think about scripture.
Some take the scripture so literally, that all the women in the church better be quiet, and you better pay your tithing otherwise you stealing from God, and that you if you don't accept the Lord Jesus Christ, you're gonna go and burn in hell forever when hell isn't even on fire. Subjection to the bible, should come with a warning because if you get to carried away, someone might be the next prophet...
Just generally talking with you friend.
Thank you for sharing more scripture with us. Brother Prove-all.
I do not believe however, Jesus Christ's Kingdom can be seen, for it heavenly. The Kingdom of God is just the Holy Spirit, and the New Jerusalem, is heavenly. So it's unseen. (Wasn't it John who had a vision of the kingdom coming out of the sky?)
I do believe however there will never be an end to Jesus Christ's Kingdom as it indicated in Isaiah 9:6-7
I've come to the reality that this world will never end. The age to end back then was the Age of Moses, and the Law. The Age to come was the Messiah, and the covenant age.
Brother wolfwint,
They all have the same Holy spirit, the only the difference between believers that were back before the Age of Moses, and the Law ended, where going to go through a whole lot more than we would ever go through today, as noted they would see a great tribulation that would never be so again, and remember He is talking to His disciples...
You can make out to be whatever you want to be though. I believe the difference also can be noted that Jesus Christ would gather His Church back then, the elected, and beloved.
Just like we will be taken, when we die... (Jesus Christ still loves us as much as He did them) (God still loves us as much as He Did them)
People tell people be prepared the Lord Jesus Christ is going to come, and you know I wonder if there is people out there actually scared of this because of all thing it would entail...
A ruler over the nation, the mark of the beast, plagues to happen to the land, with faminies, and starvation.
you know then there would be a 7 year peace though thank the Lord Jesus Christ, so Christ can grab all the Jewish believers, back in the day the 144,000 people of the 12 Jewish Tribes. (Just speaking about all this generally)
Listen if you really want to believe these things are gonna come down to be something like this one day, you're entitled to believe it but how scary and dreadful, to be expecting a day like to come around where everything would go in such array.
Don't you believe that God is really in Control? Some people think Satan is still ruling this world, while Jesus Christ has His feet on top of His head underneath Him. Where He stays defeated forever.
Sister Beta,
You are too kind. I'm still want to try to talk to about this as much as I but as constructive I can. But at the same time, there is frustration that can come with it because, it's very difficult to grasp the concept of looking at the bible as fully completed, because if that is so, it most certainly a cause for investigation.
Johnny_b brother,
Thank you so much for taking time to answer my question here. I was hoping that they were the same. The heavenly Jerusalem...
If you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ did you know you are a Citizen of this Heavenly place? Haha. How fancy ay?
I've come to a realization this World will never end... The Earth as it is now, will never end, because there can't be an end to Christ Jesus's Kingdom that would be established, and it is not seen... It is believed on, by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 9: 6 For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.7 To the increase of the princely power, And of peace, there is no end, On the throne of David, and on his kingdom, To establish it, and to support it, In judgment and in righteousness, Henceforth, even unto the age, The zeal of Jehovah of Hosts doth this.
I understand if you lead the one from error you save a soul. Even with the views of Preterism, Amillennialism, even Calvinism ( a view that many people have ) If they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ who came down from heaven, died, rose again, they are spirit filled believers.
I think a lot of policing can be done in Scripture game, to see who is being for real or not I guess, but I don't rely on the scripture police, I just rely on the Lord Jesus Christ, and live by the spirit of God, and Love God and Others.
There is an orthodoxy way of doing things, that has been done for 2000 years, or you can Live a life without having any orthodoxy in your life, because of the Lord Jesus Christ and everything He did. The Freedom that is allowed by the Holy Spirit.
There are many people who do like being told what to do, what to believe, and what to think about scripture.
Some take the scripture so literally, that all the women in the church better be quiet, and you better pay your tithing otherwise you stealing from God, and that you if you don't accept the Lord Jesus Christ, you're gonna go and burn in hell forever when hell isn't even on fire. Subjection to the bible, should come with a warning because if you get to carried away, someone might be the next prophet...
Just generally talking with you friend.
Thank you for sharing more scripture with us. Brother Prove-all.
I do not believe however, Jesus Christ's Kingdom can be seen, for it heavenly. The Kingdom of God is just the Holy Spirit, and the New Jerusalem, is heavenly. So it's unseen. (Wasn't it John who had a vision of the kingdom coming out of the sky?)
I do believe however there will never be an end to Jesus Christ's Kingdom as it indicated in Isaiah 9:6-7
I've come to the reality that this world will never end. The age to end back then was the Age of Moses, and the Law. The Age to come was the Messiah, and the covenant age.
Brother wolfwint,
They all have the same Holy spirit, the only the difference between believers that were back before the Age of Moses, and the Law ended, where going to go through a whole lot more than we would ever go through today, as noted they would see a great tribulation that would never be so again, and remember He is talking to His disciples...
You can make out to be whatever you want to be though. I believe the difference also can be noted that Jesus Christ would gather His Church back then, the elected, and beloved.
Just like we will be taken, when we die... (Jesus Christ still loves us as much as He did them) (God still loves us as much as He Did them)
People tell people be prepared the Lord Jesus Christ is going to come, and you know I wonder if there is people out there actually scared of this because of all thing it would entail...
A ruler over the nation, the mark of the beast, plagues to happen to the land, with faminies, and starvation.
you know then there would be a 7 year peace though thank the Lord Jesus Christ, so Christ can grab all the Jewish believers, back in the day the 144,000 people of the 12 Jewish Tribes. (Just speaking about all this generally)
Listen if you really want to believe these things are gonna come down to be something like this one day, you're entitled to believe it but how scary and dreadful, to be expecting a day like to come around where everything would go in such array.
Don't you believe that God is really in Control? Some people think Satan is still ruling this world, while Jesus Christ has His feet on top of His head underneath Him. Where He stays defeated forever.
Sister Beta,
You are too kind. I'm still want to try to talk to about this as much as I but as constructive I can. But at the same time, there is frustration that can come with it because, it's very difficult to grasp the concept of looking at the bible as fully completed, because if that is so, it most certainly a cause for investigation.
Johnny_b brother,
Thank you so much for taking time to answer my question here. I was hoping that they were the same. The heavenly Jerusalem...
If you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ did you know you are a Citizen of this Heavenly place? Haha. How fancy ay?
I've come to a realization this World will never end... The Earth as it is now, will never end, because there can't be an end to Christ Jesus's Kingdom that would be established, and it is not seen... It is believed on, by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 9: 6 For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.7 To the increase of the princely power, And of peace, there is no end, On the throne of David, and on his kingdom, To establish it, and to support it, In judgment and in righteousness, Henceforth, even unto the age, The zeal of Jehovah of Hosts doth this.
Yes, and this presence of Jesus in our life is through the Holy Spirit who was promist and sent from our Lord Jesus who is now in heaven. So the answer to the OP question can only be: No!
Non of the writers of the Bible wrote that Jesus would return after his ascending to heaven spiritually. And also Jesu never told that he would come spiritually.
So I wonder where this teaching is come from. I cant see a biblical foundation for it. That Jesus lives through the Holy Spirit in us has nothing to do with his return. If it would be so, Why we cant find this important teaching in any epistel? Its sounds good, but is wrong!
Non of the writers of the Bible wrote that Jesus would return after his ascending to heaven spiritually. And also Jesu never told that he would come spiritually.
So I wonder where this teaching is come from. I cant see a biblical foundation for it. That Jesus lives through the Holy Spirit in us has nothing to do with his return. If it would be so, Why we cant find this important teaching in any epistel? Its sounds good, but is wrong!
Brother WolfWint,
Freedom comes from the Lord.
I don't have all the answers but there is a scripture I find interesting, It is in 2 Corinthians 3:16-18
16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him worship Him in spirit and in truth.
I can't tell you or give you pictures, I just live off of Faith that the Lord Jesus Christ did what He said He did, and I don't worry about Him returning anymore because He is with us right now here today. His Kingdom is reigning in the hearts of those who believe in Him, and His government that He Establishes, brings us peace in our life by living in faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and everything He did.
Anyone who turns to the Lord, the light shines, and there is freedom, and the Spirit that is of the Lord's changes a human's heart when they have a relationship changing into a more Christ-like person.
I find intresting really. That you know people still talk about second coming, demons, and satan, and what not.
I don't preach to anyone that the Lord Jesus Christ is coming back, there was a point in my life, where I did but I do not anymore. Dont preach about Satan tempting human beings, Don't talk about the rise of the anti-christ even though I do have a christian friend who is intrested in the Return of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Anti-christ.
People gonna believe how they gonna believe, some people believe that Satan is still the ruler of this world like I said before...
God has it all under control, and He sees and watches every thing, and He loves everyone.
And He wants everyone to come to the knowledge and truth about His Son Jesus Christ, who came down, died, and rose again.
Signifying, that all would be raised again, and sin was paid for, and because of everything He did we can have a relationship with GOd, and the Lord Jesus Christ freely.
Freedom comes from the Lord.
I don't have all the answers but there is a scripture I find interesting, It is in 2 Corinthians 3:16-18
16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him worship Him in spirit and in truth.
I can't tell you or give you pictures, I just live off of Faith that the Lord Jesus Christ did what He said He did, and I don't worry about Him returning anymore because He is with us right now here today. His Kingdom is reigning in the hearts of those who believe in Him, and His government that He Establishes, brings us peace in our life by living in faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and everything He did.
Anyone who turns to the Lord, the light shines, and there is freedom, and the Spirit that is of the Lord's changes a human's heart when they have a relationship changing into a more Christ-like person.
I find intresting really. That you know people still talk about second coming, demons, and satan, and what not.
I don't preach to anyone that the Lord Jesus Christ is coming back, there was a point in my life, where I did but I do not anymore. Dont preach about Satan tempting human beings, Don't talk about the rise of the anti-christ even though I do have a christian friend who is intrested in the Return of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Anti-christ.
People gonna believe how they gonna believe, some people believe that Satan is still the ruler of this world like I said before...
God has it all under control, and He sees and watches every thing, and He loves everyone.
And He wants everyone to come to the knowledge and truth about His Son Jesus Christ, who came down, died, and rose again.
Signifying, that all would be raised again, and sin was paid for, and because of everything He did we can have a relationship with GOd, and the Lord Jesus Christ freely.
People do believe that Hell, and the Lake of Fire exist ( i still believe they exist), and those who were not saved in this life may experience a placement in those places, but I believe that God is so good, that He will reconcile even those people to Himself.
Those places serve a purpose for God, and scripture does say. that One day, all tounges will confess Jesus Christ is the Lord for the Glory of God, and that the Lord desires none to perish but all to come to repentance (change of mind).
As far-fetched as it may sound to anyone. I believe God can still reach those who passed on in this life, who never knew Jesus Christ.
Those places serve a purpose for God, and scripture does say. that One day, all tounges will confess Jesus Christ is the Lord for the Glory of God, and that the Lord desires none to perish but all to come to repentance (change of mind).
As far-fetched as it may sound to anyone. I believe God can still reach those who passed on in this life, who never knew Jesus Christ.
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Hello MatthewG,
Regarding the above, just fyi, for those who were not saved in this life it is guaranteed that they most surely will experience Hades and the lake of fire. There is none righteous for all have sinned and the reward for sin is death, which is separation from God in the lake of fire.
Since Jesus is the only One who shed His righteous blood for our sins, then anyone who does not receive Christ as Lord and Savior are already on the road to condemning judgment, guaranteed. Everyone who comes into the world is on that road until they receive Christ. Regarding this, scripture states that "unless there is a shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness for sins. It is also written "Whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life and the wrath of God rests upon him." So there is no "may experience a placement in those places" but are destined to be placed in those places because they are without Christ.
The above is also not supported by scripture. You should study these things before proclaiming them.
God is a God of love. In fact, scripture states that "God is love." But, God is also righteous and a God of justice. After death God's mercy and grace are no longer in operation. You've heard that phrase regarding "the judge is going to throw the book at you?" Well, that is exactly what is going to happen to all who have not been reconciled to God.
Jesus paid the penalty for every believers sins and was held accountable for all of them. Therefore, when someone believes in Christ, God's wrath and the payment of them has already been satisfied. However, for those who reject Christ and die in that state, when they stand before God at the great white throne judgment (Rev.20:11-15) they will be held accountable for every sin and idle word they ever spoke and every evil thought.
You are correct, but that doesn't mean that everyone who bows and confesses his name are saved. The scripture that you are quoting from is inferring that everyone both angels, the saved and the unsaved, will all bow their knees and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, including those who will have died without Him who are under the earth in Hades. Below is the scripture.
"Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place, and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is
Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Regarding the above, just fyi, for those who were not saved in this life it is guaranteed that they most surely will experience Hades and the lake of fire. There is none righteous for all have sinned and the reward for sin is death, which is separation from God in the lake of fire.
Since Jesus is the only One who shed His righteous blood for our sins, then anyone who does not receive Christ as Lord and Savior are already on the road to condemning judgment, guaranteed. Everyone who comes into the world is on that road until they receive Christ. Regarding this, scripture states that "unless there is a shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness for sins. It is also written "Whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life and the wrath of God rests upon him." So there is no "may experience a placement in those places" but are destined to be placed in those places because they are without Christ.
The above is also not supported by scripture. You should study these things before proclaiming them.
God is a God of love. In fact, scripture states that "God is love." But, God is also righteous and a God of justice. After death God's mercy and grace are no longer in operation. You've heard that phrase regarding "the judge is going to throw the book at you?" Well, that is exactly what is going to happen to all who have not been reconciled to God.
Jesus paid the penalty for every believers sins and was held accountable for all of them. Therefore, when someone believes in Christ, God's wrath and the payment of them has already been satisfied. However, for those who reject Christ and die in that state, when they stand before God at the great white throne judgment (Rev.20:11-15) they will be held accountable for every sin and idle word they ever spoke and every evil thought.
You are correct, but that doesn't mean that everyone who bows and confesses his name are saved. The scripture that you are quoting from is inferring that everyone both angels, the saved and the unsaved, will all bow their knees and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, including those who will have died without Him who are under the earth in Hades. Below is the scripture.
"Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place, and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is
Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
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Brother Nehemiah6
It's very far out there that is for sure my friend. But no different than someone that tells you they have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, and God and believe in reincarnation, and I'm kinda glad God has pushed me to this point, and hanging on the edge of my faith with this because I trust God in everything that He is gonna do. I like being the odd ball, and different than most of everyone else. But my faith does reside in the Lord Jesus Christ just like yours, and we are brothers in Christ Jesus. Because we believe that Jesus Christ came, down, died, and rose again by God, and if we believe this in our heart, and confess the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, and changed.
God is Good, and Is Love, He has provided breath for every human being that has ever lived on this earth.
Love sometimes can be one of the most difficult things to grasp I think, and I don't even do that perfectly, but Christ Jesus in us, can.
Brother Wolfwint,
The things I say are nothing new, they have been believed way a long time ago too, it's not like I'm the only one with this belief, that is abstracted from what people have learned over the years it fascinates me.
I do not expect anyone to believe me, and I would encourage anyone to read the Word of God, and for them Study.
Why should anyone repent from sin in this life ?
Well, to change your mind from not having in God in your life, right now on this earth, into walking with God is a great change in this life as we live. Because God changes peoples hearts, plus Jesus Christ gives us hope in that God does love us, and Care for us, and so does Jesus Christ and they care about everything going in our life right now today, and we can talk to them, and tell them about out troubles worries, and prayers for others.
Now, if someone was to be placed in Hell, which (some) people say last forever, I see it as a duration of time kinda of like prison can't get out till the payment is fully made most sentences last a duration of time, but also a place no one should want to go to. But this place can cause someone to change their mind, from their own mental anguish that could possibly in-sue.
Philippians 2: 9Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place,and gave Him the name above all names,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
Is this a true statement or a lie?
I've have had people tell me oh when they come to judgement they will confess, but then after that they going to straight to hell... I don't understand that because it says all tounges would be confessing that Jesus Christ is Lord, to Glory of the Father...
My only question is also how could all tounges do this, unless they had help from the spirit, and have come to repentance, and change of mind willingly and not forcefully.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Is this a true statement or a lie?
People have told me, this could not happen. Not everyone will come to repentance, the Lord can't get what He desires.
1 Timothy 4:10 This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers. Is this a true statement or a lie?
What in the world does this even mean!! Haha. Great scripture right here because it talks about God who is the Saviour of all people, and particularly for all believers.
Very interesting line, here.
1 Timothy 2: 1 First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be offered on behalf of all men 2 for kings and all those in authority, so that we may lead tranquil and quiet lives in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Is this a true statement or a lie?
Trying to show a little bit more of the nature of God, the goodness that is in Him.
I'm insane aren't I?
God bless you all, in the Lord Jesus Christ name, amen.
It's very far out there that is for sure my friend. But no different than someone that tells you they have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, and God and believe in reincarnation, and I'm kinda glad God has pushed me to this point, and hanging on the edge of my faith with this because I trust God in everything that He is gonna do. I like being the odd ball, and different than most of everyone else. But my faith does reside in the Lord Jesus Christ just like yours, and we are brothers in Christ Jesus. Because we believe that Jesus Christ came, down, died, and rose again by God, and if we believe this in our heart, and confess the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, and changed.
God is Good, and Is Love, He has provided breath for every human being that has ever lived on this earth.
Love sometimes can be one of the most difficult things to grasp I think, and I don't even do that perfectly, but Christ Jesus in us, can.
Brother Wolfwint,
The things I say are nothing new, they have been believed way a long time ago too, it's not like I'm the only one with this belief, that is abstracted from what people have learned over the years it fascinates me.
I do not expect anyone to believe me, and I would encourage anyone to read the Word of God, and for them Study.
Why should anyone repent from sin in this life ?
Well, to change your mind from not having in God in your life, right now on this earth, into walking with God is a great change in this life as we live. Because God changes peoples hearts, plus Jesus Christ gives us hope in that God does love us, and Care for us, and so does Jesus Christ and they care about everything going in our life right now today, and we can talk to them, and tell them about out troubles worries, and prayers for others.
Now, if someone was to be placed in Hell, which (some) people say last forever, I see it as a duration of time kinda of like prison can't get out till the payment is fully made most sentences last a duration of time, but also a place no one should want to go to. But this place can cause someone to change their mind, from their own mental anguish that could possibly in-sue.
Philippians 2: 9Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place,and gave Him the name above all names,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
Is this a true statement or a lie?
I've have had people tell me oh when they come to judgement they will confess, but then after that they going to straight to hell... I don't understand that because it says all tounges would be confessing that Jesus Christ is Lord, to Glory of the Father...
My only question is also how could all tounges do this, unless they had help from the spirit, and have come to repentance, and change of mind willingly and not forcefully.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Is this a true statement or a lie?
People have told me, this could not happen. Not everyone will come to repentance, the Lord can't get what He desires.
1 Timothy 4:10 This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers. Is this a true statement or a lie?
What in the world does this even mean!! Haha. Great scripture right here because it talks about God who is the Saviour of all people, and particularly for all believers.
Very interesting line, here.
1 Timothy 2: 1 First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be offered on behalf of all men 2 for kings and all those in authority, so that we may lead tranquil and quiet lives in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Is this a true statement or a lie?
Trying to show a little bit more of the nature of God, the goodness that is in Him.
I'm insane aren't I?
God bless you all, in the Lord Jesus Christ name, amen.
Hello wolfwint,
Kinda gets rid of the need for Hades and the lake of fire if everyone ends up saved at the end, huh? Too many people think of God as this, and I'll use a borrowed saying, big cosmic teddy bear of nothing but love. Little do they know that, after death God's grace and his mercy are no longer in operation. Those who stand before him will be held accountable for ever sin they committed. Where, if they have believed in Christ, He would have been held accountable for all of them.
Kinda gets rid of the need for Hades and the lake of fire if everyone ends up saved at the end, huh? Too many people think of God as this, and I'll use a borrowed saying, big cosmic teddy bear of nothing but love. Little do they know that, after death God's grace and his mercy are no longer in operation. Those who stand before him will be held accountable for ever sin they committed. Where, if they have believed in Christ, He would have been held accountable for all of them.
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Brother Wolfwint,
The freedom I am speaking of is Loving God, and Loving Others. You have to freedom to do this in the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the freedom I am talking about. Freedom to walk by the spirit. Share the Good news that Jesus Christ has given you. (Romans 8) (Galatians 5)
Having God in our life should bring around some peace, right? I mean was there ever a point where you didn't have God in your life can you look back and see how much He changed you from the old person you once was?
Philippians 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice; 5 let your forbearance be known to all men; the Lord [is] near;6 for nothing be anxious, but in everything by prayer, and by supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known unto God;7 and the peace of God, that is surpassing all understanding, shall guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.
I'm tempted by my own thoughts. Never Satan.
James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed.
Hmm, interesting.
The freedom I am speaking of is Loving God, and Loving Others. You have to freedom to do this in the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the freedom I am talking about. Freedom to walk by the spirit. Share the Good news that Jesus Christ has given you. (Romans 8) (Galatians 5)
Having God in our life should bring around some peace, right? I mean was there ever a point where you didn't have God in your life can you look back and see how much He changed you from the old person you once was?
Philippians 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice; 5 let your forbearance be known to all men; the Lord [is] near;6 for nothing be anxious, but in everything by prayer, and by supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known unto God;7 and the peace of God, that is surpassing all understanding, shall guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.
I'm tempted by my own thoughts. Never Satan.
James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed.
Hmm, interesting.
