Not By Works

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eternally-gratefull

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When we get off our high horse and remember we are all human, and we are mostly in the same boat, and we are supposed to be helping each other, not correcting each other (did that work on you at school, or did your parents treat you that way?) then that is what matters.
Who is on a high horse here? Do you see me accusing you of things then running when you ask me to prove my accusations?

All I did was say I do not believe the same as people. After you THANKED me for saying we all are going to heaven. Which was not true.

Those who believe they are saved, should really express kindness to others, if they really are saved, surely that is a sign of it? Even if in disagreement with the view of others. You can always put things another way. Liars, heretics, false teachers, false gospel, whatever, who uses this language? Do you use it in your real life? The fact is, probably not.
How did Jesus reply to those who taught a different Gospel? Paul? James? Peter? It was not. We are not talking about end times stuff. How a person should worship. Whose church is the right church and whose is not. We are talking about the good news of Jesus and how people get to heaven. How many gospels are there?

Try being yourself, just the way God made you. God made you a child, not a parent (non-literally). I sometimes think the ones who act like everyones parent, are the biggest kids. I'm sure dcon for example is a big kid in real life, while trying to make out he is something more here. Well be a big kid here!

Yes, not by works, but surely works are an outcome??
Yes, Not by works, But many here disagree with this,, they claim works are required to maintain salvation. And we try our best to show them they are wrong. And for that we are called being on a high horse, and unloving.
 
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"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16)

We help each other by correcting each other.

I am thankful for all those who corrected me in my lifetime, how about you?
 

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Darn tootin' :)

I was in a cult before I received correction (The Worldwide Church Of God).
I was born and raised a Catholic but for some reason started to receive a magazine called the Plain Truth that is or was published by this organization. Read it for several years, interesting but often conflicted with what is stated in the bible. Haven't read it for years. Looking back it was probably just propaganda. If I remember correctly they had some strange views on the end time events, especially pertaining to the book of Revelation.
 
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Darn tootin' :)

I was in a cult before I received correction (The Worldwide Church Of God).
Not sure it was a cult, but I was a baptist.. Still believe their gospel. But some of the other things I have changed my view.
 

Budman

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If I remember correctly they had some strange views on the end time events, especially pertaining to the book of Revelation.
Ohhhh, yeah. All that and a bag of doctrinal error chips.
 
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It's more about attitude. And if I dare to speak about your attitude, what do I get? Surprise... attitude!

Anyway hi Bryan nice to meet you.

Who is on a high horse here? Do you see me accusing you of things then running when you ask me to prove my accusations?

All I did was say I do not believe the same as people. After you THANKED me for saying we all are going to heaven. Which was not true.



How did Jesus reply to those who taught a different Gospel? Paul? James? Peter? It was not. We are not talking about end times stuff. How a person should worship. Whose church is the right church and whose is not. We are talking about the good news of Jesus and how people get to heaven. How many gospels are there?



Yes, Not by works, But many here disagree with this,, they claim works are required to maintain salvation. And we try our best to show them they are wrong. And for that we are called being on a high horse, and unloving.
 
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Here in Detroit, the weather always stinks! :D
Detroit? Lol, Sorry about that.lol (just messing)

I loved going to Windsor though when i was in the coast Guard. But still go outside Detroit (Novi/New Hudson area) for training.
 
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This post proves nothing other than a bias, uneducated mouthy response void of the facts.....

no need to,

this thread is a reminder of the fig tree with no fruits to feed our Lord.

“Here is what Adonai-Tzva’ot, the God of Isra’el, says to all those in exile, whom I have caused to be carried off captive from Yerushalayim to Bavel: 5 ‘Build yourselves houses, and live in them. Plant gardens, and eat what they produce. 6 Choose women to marry, and have sons and daughters. Choose wives for your sons, and give your daughters in marriage to men, so that they can have sons and daughters — increase your numbers there, don’t decrease. 7 Seek the welfare of the city to which I have caused you to go in exile, and pray to Adonai on its behalf; for your welfare is bound up in its welfare.’

8 For this is what Adonai-Tzva’ot, the God of Isra’el, says: ‘Don’t let your prophets who are living among you and your diviners deceive you, and don’t pay attention to the dreams you urge them to dream. 9 For they are prophesying falsely in my name; I have not sent them,’ says Adonai.


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“For here is what Adonai says: ‘After Bavel’s seventy years are over, I will remember you and fulfill my good promise to you by bringing you back to this place. 11 For I know what plans I have in mind for you,’ says Adonai,‘plans for well-being, not for bad things; so that you can have hope and a future. 12 When you call to me and pray to me, I will listen to you. 13 When you seek me, you will find me, provided you seek for me wholeheartedly; 14 and I will let you find me,’ says Adonai. ‘Then I will reverse your exile. I will gather you from all the nations and places where I have driven you,’ says Adonai, ‘and bring you back to the place from which I exiled you.’



figs or lack of?
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“You say that Adonai has raised up prophets for you in Bavel. 16 But here is what Adonai says about the king occupying David’s throne and about all the people living in this city, your kinsmen who did not go into exile with you — 17 thus says Adonai-Tzva’ot:
‘I will attack them with sword, famine and plague; I will make them like bad figs, so bad they are inedible.
18 I will pursue them with sword, famine and plague and make them an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth; and they will bring on themselves cursing, astonishment, ridicule and reproach among all the nations where I have driven them; 19 because they have not paid attention to my words,’ says Adonai, ‘which I sent to them through my servants the prophets. I sent them frequently, but you refused to listen,’ says Adonai.

20 “So pay attention now to the word of Adonai, all of you in exile, whom I sent away from Yerushalayim to Bavel. 21 Here is what Adonai-Tzva’ot, the God of Isra’el, says about Ach’av the son of Kolayah and Tzidkiyahu the son of Ma‘aseiyah, who prophesy lies to you in my name: ‘I will hand them over to N’vukhadretzar king of Bavel, and he will put them to death before your eyes. 22 In fact, all those exiled from Y’hudah who are in Bavel will take up this formula for cursing:

“May Adonai make you like Tzidkiyahu and Ach’av, whom the king of Bavel roasted in the fire!” 23 because they have done vile things in Isra’el, committing adultery with their neighbors’ wives and speaking words in my name, falsely, which I did not order them to say. For I am he who knows; I am witness to this,’ says Adonai.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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It's more about attitude. And if I dare to speak about your attitude, what do I get? Surprise... attitude!

Anyway hi Bryan nice to meet you.
when you get person after person making false accusations against you, then refuse to back their charges up. You seem to get sick of it and end up showing an attitude. Forgive me if I showed an attitude, I am in the wrong there

But it still does nto forgive you for not backing up your charges against me.
 

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Hi Ralph...Some people take Christianity for a test drive , they like the idea that they can go to heaven and live happy ever after , but once their honeymoon period is over , the truth self comes out and they no longer want anything to do with it , these people are not nor where saved...

We real Christians , who follow Christ because we hear His voice are His , we are the branches on the Vine , the Vine is dressed by God Himself...We walk in the works that God had and has planned for us ...God forbid should I have a stroke or get run over and end up disabled and can only blink my eyes , what then , what if these things happened and I cannot do anything , how would Jesus view me when He comes back , there is no rule for able and disabled , blessed are those who have not seen yet believe...

Any works I do are only because of the Holy Spirit leading me to do , some people like myself who has suffered severe mental illness episodes can sometimes only manage to get out of bed to use the bathroom , sometimes I have been stuck in bed for months , but then we are reminded that Jesus has not left us on our own to travel this narrow path , He has the Helper , the Comforter , the Counselor etc , that He has given us , we do not need to rely on ourselves , it is His Will and His Will alone that drives us , and there are lazy Christians who will have their works burnt in the fire , but they are still saved , maybe I have gone of topic a bit , but as I grow in Christ , I become more secure in Him , He becomes more precious to me , everyday I love Him more then the day before ...

I used to think I was not doing enough work as a Christian , but as I look back over these past 2 1/2 years , I see how He is changing my heart , my ways of old into newness and becoming more like Him , I have done none of this , if it was my work I would pat myself but I can`t because all the work is from Him...

So if it is Christ who enables us to change , why would we have to worry about when He finds us for those who are in Him , He will find us just as He has made us , into His likeness , and those who have depended on themselves and took away His glory through their own pride and self righteousness , it will be them that He says " Go away I never knew you "...xox...
I can't even do all my housework let alone go out to do anything. I'd be in flames too. :)

What we can do is worship Him. I know Jesus, Father, and Holy Spirit loves this!
 

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Everybody who believes is in the vine.

The scary part is the doctrine that says you know for sure if you are saved by if you endure all the way to the end (the argument being that if you fail along the way you were never really in the vine to begin with).
That means you can never know in this life if you are truly born again.
You can only know if you are truly born again when you get to the end.

But good for us, the bible explains that you can know if you truly believe by if the Christ child is being reproduced in you.
That is a blasphemous LIE.

CORRECTION:

John 15:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without Me.


John 3:36 (CSBBible)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] The one who believes in the Son has eternal life,
but the one who rejects the Son will not see life;
instead, the wrath of God remains on him.



John 5:24 (CSBBible)
[SUP]24[/SUP]
"Truly I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me
has eternal life
and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.

John 10:26-28 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But you don’t believe because you are not My sheep.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever!
No one will snatch them out of My hand.





1 John 4:2 (CSBBible)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] This is how you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

1 John 2:3-5 (HCSB)


[SUP]3 [/SUP] This is how we are sure that we have come to know Him: by keeping His commands.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” yet doesn't keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But whoever keeps His word, truly in him the love of God is perfected. This is how we know we are in Him:

1 John 3:14-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋—how can God’s love reside in him?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Little children, we must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] This is how we will know we belong to the truth and will convince our conscience in His presence,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] even if our conscience condemns us, that God is greater than our conscience, and He knows all things.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Dear friends, if our conscience doesn’t condemn ⌊us⌋, we have confidence before God

Luke 1:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] so that you may know the certainty of the things about which you have been instructed.

Ephesians 3:16-19 (CSBBible)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] I pray that he may grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with power in your inner being through his Spirit,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. I pray that you, being rooted and firmly established in love,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the length and width, height and depth of God's love,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] and to know Christ's love that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Ephesians 1:17-19 (ESV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might

Philippians 1:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.


1 John 5:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

Philippians 1:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you
will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus
.




I HAVE KNOWN THAT HE TRULY HAS CAUSED MY BORN AGAIN HUMAN SPIRIT TO COME ETERNALLY ALIVE IN ME, SINCE THE NIGHT OF MY THIRD ATTEMPT AT SUICIDE, WHEN HE SAVED ME, THE NIGHT BEFORE NEW YEARS EVE, OF 1977. NO DOUBT HAS EVER CREPT IN MY MIND, OR MY HEART.
AS HE HAS SAID, "GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN!"
 
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Budman

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Bill waxes poetic and cryptic occasionally HAHAHHAHAHHA We love Bill....he knows JESUS and Jesus knows him...by FAITH

LOL! Okay. Well, I have a night job, so I'm off to get a couple hours sleep. Later gators! :)
 

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Process of "birthing the Son"?

What the....?

Is that one more condition you're adding? Is salvation a "process" to you?

Are you a Roman Catholic? (I asked this before, and you never answered it).
It would give her away...