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No, ideas yes.
Look at the context:
2 Th 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
2 Th 2:6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
First, you have to wonder why Paul would be addressing this issue if it was hundreds of years into their future - it would have no practical use for the conditions that they were living in.
Second, Paul is stating that the man of lawlessness is alive but being restrained when Paul wrote.
lol, That is a good question if we bare in mind Acts 15 in that what is said to Abraham cannot be nulled by one 430 years later but of the gentiles are they under the the one in Genesis 6:19? lol, it seems that both must say that any covenant that is given afterwards is an "new covenant" seeing that all are under one prior to it...
Were the gentiles under a prior covenant or is the "new" covenant the first one they were ever under with God?
It could be argued they were under the Noahic Covenant - but I still don't follow your reasoning soandso.
Are you trying to associate this with the covenant mention in Daniel?
iamsoandso: Yes it is still open for fulfillment. Notice the 2 thes 2:3 speaks of two different being or are they..... The man of Sin and the Son of Perdition.
The story will go like this according to the Bible.
The Man of Sin (anti-christ) will CONFIRM a covenant with Israel and "Death and Hell". This covenant will allow the Jewish nation to rebuild their temple in order to have animal sacrifices necessary (they believe) to bring their messiah to earth. This they believe the Messiah will remove the scourge (armies camped around the Holy City).
Toward the end of the next 42 months, the Man of Sin will be assassinated. This will coincide with the throwing Satan out of Heaven event. Satan will then take over the Man of Sin's body, heal His head and arm wounds. The Son of Perdition/man of Sin has been resurrected. He (son of Perdition) will walk into the Holy of Holy and declare that He is GOD!
It is at this time the last 42 months of Jacob;s troubles (Daniel's 70th week) will begin.
hope you have a blessed day \
Blade
well no I said to you that in Acts 15 the apostles gave their opinion of the matter the question is do they say that the gentiles are to follow the one in Genesis 6:19 o the one that is being given to the ones who were promised a "New" covenant? Now which did the apostles say?...
This is the most ridiculous piece of eisegesis I've ever seen.https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C...d=0ahUKEwj33I-99pfZAhUF9WMKHSy-C2AQkeECCCQoAA
The were being told that they need not follow the law of Moses in regards to circumcision etc, but that applies in the new covenant.
lol, the issue is that if they were under the new then why are they being told to follow the covenant made in Genesis 6:19 instead of the new one,,,bare in mind the issue in Acts 15 is not if they should follow the new one but the old one...
It's pretty simple like preston39 ask in post #361 "which one",,,if they were under the new in their minds then the issue in Acts 15 would not be if they were to fulfill the old ones they were under but how they would do this under the new one. Thats not what they thought though they argued that the gentiles were not to be under the old that they could not fulfill and that they do what they were told by God beforehand,,,,neither of the two were being dismissed and spoken of as if there was another to hold to by either the Jews or the gentiles.
You have to understand that early on their whole understanding was under going change soandso, the Gentiles were predicted to come under the banner/ensign of Christ (Isa 11:10), but when that came to pass with Cornelius they had a hard time accepting it. It looks like so are you.
I don't understand why I have to explain such basic things to you.
I don't understand why I have to explain such basic things to you.
lol,make up your mind if it's "basic" you see you also say that apostles and disciples had a hard time accepting it...
It's basic to us because we have the gospels and the letters in the New Testament.
All you've done is waffle around here, to no good end.
Well then were they suppose to be circumcised and follow the law or not at the end when they wrote the letter and sent it with Silas and Judas?
The first thing the AC does is establish that seven year covenant, which will allow Israel to build their long awaited temple. In Dan.9:27, it states that in the middle of the seven years, he causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease, which tells us that sacrifices and offerings will be going on during the first 3 1/2 years, which means that the AC will not yet have proclaimed himself to be God during that time. It is not until the middle of the seven years, that he stops their sacrifices and offerings and sets up that abomination, which causes them to flee out into the desert to that place God will have prepared for them and where they will remain until Jesus returns at the end of that last 3 1/2 years to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.
If the AC proclaimed himself to be God at the beginning of the seven years, then Israel would not be able to build their temple to sacrifice to God during the first 3 1/2 years.
Beginning of the seven = AC makes a seven year covenant with Israel and worship God during the first 3 1/2 years
Middle of the seven = AC stops the sacrifices and sets up the abomination and at some point stands in the temple proclaiming to be God. the abomination causes Israel to flee out into the desert for 1260 days (3 1/2 years)
End of the seven = Seventh bowl is poured out and Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.
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I dont think it ties in.
The 5 foolish had no such testimony as you ascribe to them.
It appears you are trying to ascribe osas doctrine to a non osas dynamic.
Thankfully that doctrine is not needed or implied to the virgin parable.
Rabbit trail big time