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Lucifer's fall
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'Not by military force and not by physical strength, but by My spirit,' says the Lord of Hosts.
awesome
Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
8Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 9The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. 10For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
zechariah 3 " And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him. 2And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. 4And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. 5And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by.
6And the angel of the LORD protested unto Joshua, saying, 7Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.
8Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH. 9For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. 10In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree."
revelation 5 " And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth"
acts 2 " This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]....v[/FONT] 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."
revelation 5 " And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."
the beginning of the new covenant. The new song thats all about the lamb who was slain and redeemed us.....
Correct.
Just like the Lord saw that not one stone of the temple would stand on top of another in the future, so too did the Lord see Satan fall from heaven like lightning being in the future.
Like I said.....WOW <-----saying JESUS is LUCIFER...........
and that is rude.....ok...............!! You would have said the same of John the Baptist when he called you a snake and to bring forth fruit worthy of repentance right?
So much for this (Isaiah 14:12) morning stars way leading the nations to death, than this Revelation 22:16 morning stars Way, leading to the way of life.
Isaiah 14:12 [FONT="]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations![/FONT]
Revelation 22:16 [FONT="]I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT]
Isaiah 14:12 [FONT="]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations![/FONT]
Revelation 22:16 [FONT="]I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT]
O Lucifer, son of the morning
The Versions in general agree in this translation, and render heilel as signifying Lucifer, the morning star, whether Jupiter or Venus; as these are both bringers of the morning light, or morning stars,annually in their turn.
Jupiter or Venus does not describe Lucifer. That would be more of a pagan description in respect to those who seek after gods .
Lucifer the counterfit light is a representation of the false gospel ,(no bright light). Christ who is described as the bright and morning star showing he is the bright Light reflected as a work of the father and Son working together in perfect submission and harmony , Like the Sun and the moon working as one.
The Son of the morning has no bright light( the difference )
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
I think he fell when Christ said it is finished, the same time those who were waiting in their grave rose up and entered the first resurrection..
To fall is not to be led by the Holy Spirit as sons of God .Previous Satan was allowed to mingle with the angels that did not fall from their first place of habitation. The veil is rent there will be no more minling with the angels that did not leave thier first place of habitation . He has been judged and never will be among them forever more
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
The Versions in general agree in this translation, and render heilel as signifying Lucifer, the morning star, whether Jupiter or Venus; as these are both bringers of the morning light, or morning stars,annually in their turn.
Jupiter or Venus does not describe Lucifer. That would be more of a pagan description in respect to those who seek after gods .
Lucifer the counterfit light is a representation of the false gospel ,(no bright light). Christ who is described as the bright and morning star showing he is the bright Light reflected as a work of the father and Son working together in perfect submission and harmony , Like the Sun and the moon working as one.
The Son of the morning has no bright light( the difference )
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
I think he fell when Christ said it is finished, the same time those who were waiting in their grave rose up and entered the first resurrection..
To fall is not to be led by the Holy Spirit as sons of God .Previous Satan was allowed to mingle with the angels that did not fall from their first place of habitation. The veil is rent there will be no more minling with the angels that did not leave thier first place of habitation . He has been judged and never will be among them forever more
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
i would say it is quite peculiar,
John the Baptist was born to a priestly line, and had likely grown up being very well fed in Torah portions.
And so if he called the vipers for what they were, then leave it at that.
There is nothing more humble than a man leave all that behind to go out and live like a wild man to call all the broken to be healed.
Lucifer is used in Issiah to inform the saints that the Antichrist will be Latin.
Revelation 12 reveals that Lucifer will fall after, Jesus, he who was to rule with a rod of iron, ascended to heaven, and the open warfare of the red dragon was concluded.
There isn't a clear way to determine the precise date because, the time frame of the warfare of Michael against the red dragon is not specified.
However, even still,Daniel may be helpful in this matter, since Jesus cleansed the temple with his blood.
LUCIFER, is also a code word with significant meanings referring to Satan at the time of the end.
He is referred to as the morning star (not the sun, which is the daystar, referring to Christ and his institution of an eternal daub the 8th day) because Satan will appear as an angel of light immediate to the coming of Jesus Christ.
I'll let some of you work the code out a bit before discussing it if you care to.
Revelation 12 reveals that Lucifer will fall after, Jesus, he who was to rule with a rod of iron, ascended to heaven, and the open warfare of the red dragon was concluded.
There isn't a clear way to determine the precise date because, the time frame of the warfare of Michael against the red dragon is not specified.
However, even still,Daniel may be helpful in this matter, since Jesus cleansed the temple with his blood.
LUCIFER, is also a code word with significant meanings referring to Satan at the time of the end.
He is referred to as the morning star (not the sun, which is the daystar, referring to Christ and his institution of an eternal daub the 8th day) because Satan will appear as an angel of light immediate to the coming of Jesus Christ.
I'll let some of you work the code out a bit before discussing it if you care to.