Joanie, I have read you post in the past about being hurt in confusion about God's Word. That wasn't a stab in the dark.
Honestly, you aren't doing so bad a job of distorting some of the beliefs of believers like me yourself. I have consistently said I believe the Lord can and still does all the miracles you have listed.
The qualitative difference is that I believe ALL those miracles happen in accord with the Will of God, which may not always jive with the will of me. I am willing to surrender to Him, knowing that He has my best interests at Heart.
Meditate on this verse Joanie:
1 John 5:14 New King James Version (NKJV)
Confidence and Compassion in Prayer
14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, He hears us.
Now I have heard the twisting of Paul's account of God saying NO to him when he prayed 3 times to remove his thorn in the flesh. But it really is just that. TWISTING.
What CAN'T be twisted is the Father's silence, which equates to a no, when His Son asked Him 3 times to take the cup of the Cross from Him.
If God can say no to His Son's request, WHICH RESULTED IN THE SON'S ULTIMATE GLORY, what makes you think He can't say no to us knowing that it will be for OUR ultimate good?
Honestly, you aren't doing so bad a job of distorting some of the beliefs of believers like me yourself. I have consistently said I believe the Lord can and still does all the miracles you have listed.
The qualitative difference is that I believe ALL those miracles happen in accord with the Will of God, which may not always jive with the will of me. I am willing to surrender to Him, knowing that He has my best interests at Heart.
Meditate on this verse Joanie:
1 John 5:14 New King James Version (NKJV)
Confidence and Compassion in Prayer
14 Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, He hears us.
Now I have heard the twisting of Paul's account of God saying NO to him when he prayed 3 times to remove his thorn in the flesh. But it really is just that. TWISTING.
What CAN'T be twisted is the Father's silence, which equates to a no, when His Son asked Him 3 times to take the cup of the Cross from Him.
If God can say no to His Son's request, WHICH RESULTED IN THE SON'S ULTIMATE GLORY, what makes you think He can't say no to us knowing that it will be for OUR ultimate good?
Hi Penn.,
I never said you don't believe or you don't have faith. I said we disagree and then I went on to say what I firmly believe in and why. The qualitative difference being I believe it is God's will to heal all the time and you and others don't. That is the difference. There is no twisting of God's plain and clear will in the Bible there are things He wants us clearly to know and have confidence in. BUT there are many interpretations of these verses on healing and protection.
I believe in healing being paid for in the atonement. Just like we have been given a spirit of power and love and a sound mind. Romans 8:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For [the Spirit which] you have now received [is] not a spirit of slavery to put you once more in bondage to fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption [the Spirit producing sonship] in [the bliss of] which we cry, Abba (Father)! Father!
How those gifts we got when we were saved work out of each of us depends on our walking in the Spirit and not in the flesh. It depends on being transformed in the renewing of our minds... we all will be doing that for all our lives and some are further along than others. None of us have fully arrived yet. I'm not by any means where I want to be in this but I do know it's His will that I have faith for it.
I can post the verses on healing and cover this page and I've done it many times before. But many here do not claim those verses as theirs the way I and others do who believe in healing in the atonement. The thorn in Paul's flesh is not IMO God giving him a thorn., it was other people satan sent following Paul in his ministry who kept refuting and disturbing the teaching each time he left a group of believers scoffers came in and tried to un do what he preached.
If you look up the phrase "thorns in the flesh" you can see it's in relation to annoying people or things . I do not believe God ever gives us thorns in our flesh. We are given every opportunity for walking out the victory Jesus has won for us. It is not valid to say God would send Jesus to pay for all these things so we could walk in victory only to go against the very Son's work on the cross and strike us with tribulations., sickness., sorrow confusion and death.
Tribulations will come but they come from 3 places... 1. The world.... 2. The flesh.... 3. The devil. Not God.
But there are those here on this thread who hold to their belief that it is God. I am not one of them. God promises to love us., to guide us... to protect us... to love us... When we pray for an egg would He give us a snake or a stone? No. He has given us all things pertaining to life and Godliness. Though a 1000 may fall at your side and 10,000 at your right hand it will not come upon you....
I believe God is glorified in His Son and when we allow Jesus to live His life through us as it says in Gal.2:20 we bring glory to God. When we allow Him to love us and we trust in His love for us we bring Him glory. We don't bring Him glory when we blame Him for evil things in the world or in our lives. When we don't trust His love for us and His good intentions for us. Adam and Eve fell big time for that. We need to see their mistake and walk better.
[SUP]0 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
Psalm 91
He who [SUP][a][/SUP]dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall remain stable and fixed under the shadow of the Almighty [Whose power no foe can withstand].
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I will say of the Lord, He is my Refuge and my Fortress, my God; on Him I lean and rely, and in Him I [confidently] trust!
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For [then] He will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence.
[SUP]4 [/SUP][Then] He will cover you with His pinions, and under His wings shall you trust and find refuge; His truth and His faithfulness are a shield and a buckler.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]You shall not be afraid of the terror of the night, nor of the arrow (the evil plots and slanders of the wicked) that flies by day,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Nor of the pestilence that stalks in darkness, nor of the destruction and sudden death that surprise and lay waste at noonday.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]A thousand may fall at your side, and ten thousand at your right hand, but it shall not come near you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Only a spectator shall you be [yourself inaccessible in the secret place of the Most High] as you witness the reward of the wicked.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Because you have made the Lord your refuge, and the Most High your dwelling place,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]There shall no evil befall you, nor any plague or calamity come near your tent.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For He will give His angels [especial] charge over you to accompany and defend and preserve you in all your ways [of obedience and service].
[SUP]12 [/SUP]They shall bear you up on their hands, lest you dash your foot against a stone.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]You shall tread upon the lion and adder; the young lion and the serpent shall you trample underfoot.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore will I deliver him; I will set him on high, because he knows and understands My name [has a personal knowledge of My mercy, love, and kindness—trusts and relies on Me, knowing I will never forsake him, no, never].
[SUP]15 [/SUP]He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]With long life will I satisfy him and show him My salvation.