GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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If you say I am wrong about your statements: Will you agree that we do not need to observe the OT Sabbath, and that not observing the OT Sabbath (as you say the 4th command) is not practicing sin or living an unrepentant life?

Would you agree with that?
Phil,

You need to understand what the OLD Covenant is and what the NEW Covenant is. You need to understand the PURPOSE of God's 10 Commandments in the OLD and NEW Covenants. There pupose is to give us a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS IS (Good and Evil). God's LAW leads us to Jesus who is the Saviour from SIN in the NT.

God's LAW makes nothing perfect it only shows us what SIN is if we break it and what RIGHTEOSNESS is if obeyed. ALL the 10 Commandments are repeated in the NEW Testament. THey are a part of the NEW Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12) but through FAITH we are BORN AGAIN to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling (DOING) of God's LAW for those who accept the GIFT of God's GRACE through FAITH to LOVE another.

If we break ANY of the 10 Commandments we stand GUILTY before GOD of SIN and do not LOVE him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another. If those who CONTINUE in KNOWN SIN do NOT REPENT and CONTINUE in SIN they will NOT enter into God's KINGDOM

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Just like any of the 10 Commandments; God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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Phil,

You need to understand what the OLD Covenant is and what the NEW Covenant is. You need to understand the PURPOSE of God's 10 Commandments in the OLD and NEW Covenants. There pupose is to give us a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS IS (Good and Evil).

God's LAW makes nothing perfect it only shows us what SIN is if we break it and what RIGHTEOSNESS is if obeyed. ALL the 10 Commandments are repeated in the NEW Testament. THey are a part of the NEW Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12) but through FAITH we are BORN AGAIN to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling (DOING) of God's LAW for those who accept the GIFT of God's GRACE through FAITH to LOVE another.

If we break ANY of the 10 Commandments we stand GUILTY before GOD of SIN and do not LOVE him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another. If those who CONTINUE in KNOWN SIN do NOT REPENT and CONTINUE in SIN they will NOT enter into God's KINGDOM

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Just like any of the 10 Commandments; God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

I think my first analysis was correct then. I'l make the question simpler for you:

Are those who continue to practice sin Christians? And is not observing the OT Sabbath (4th comand) sin?
 
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I think my first analysis was correct then. I'l make the question simpler for you:
Are those who continue to practice sin Christians? And is not observing the OT Sabbath (4th comand) sin?
You are free to BELIEVE anything you wish to. I have told you that everything you have been claiming is not true and provided you with the scriptures from God's WORD. You can choose to BELIEVE God's Word of not BELIEVE God's WORD.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD over our own words because it is written;

John 12
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I am come a light into the world, that whoever believes on me should not abide in darkness.
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day. Light has come to those in drakness but men loved darkness rather then light because their deeds were evil. God's Word will judge all who reject it in the last days.

I will answer your question with a question.

Is someone who is professing to be a Christian who CONTINUES to LIVE a LIFE of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN in a SAVED state before God or an UNSAVED state before God?

Nice talking to you Phil. I have to go for now but will be back latter.
 
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Lord forgive them for they know not wahat they do or say!!!!!! No one had to teach on the sabbath beasuse it was Being observed by everyone already.
 

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You are free to BELIEVE anything you wish to. I have told you that everything you have been claiming is not true and provided you with the scriptures from God's WORD. You can choose to BELIEVE God's Word of not BELIEVE God's WORD.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD over our own words because it is written;

John 12
46,
I am come a light into the world, that whoever believes on me should not abide in darkness.
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day. Light has come to those in drakness but men loved darkness rather then light because their deeds were evil. God's Word will judge all who reject it in the last days.

I will answer your question with a question.

Is someone who is professing to be a Christian who CONTINUES to LIVE a LIFE of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN in a SAVED state before God or an UNSAVED state before God?

Nice talking to you Phil. I have to go for now but will be back latter.

Basically its just as an earlier post:

According to you, millions upon millions of christian (past, present and future) who worship on a Sunday are not in the kingdom because they practice sin by not putting themselves under the Old covenant and observe the Old covenant Sabbath.

I don't why you just won't be honest and come straight out with it. We all already know what you are saying.

Your fooling no one, you may word your statements cleverly, but as I said easily discernible.

Do you see how legalism kills?
 
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Basically its just as an earlier post: According to you, millions upon millions of christian (past, present and future) who worship on a Sunday are not in the kingdom because they practice sin by not putting themselves under the Old covenant and observe the Old covenant Sabbath. I don't why you just won't be honest and come straight out with it. We all already know what you are saying. Your fooling no one, you may word your statements cleverly, but as I said easily discernible. Do you see how legalism kills?

That is not true at all Phil,

Now when you ask someone what they believe and they tell you and show you with scripture what they believe and then you go about and tell others that that person believes something different to what they have told you then you are guilty of bearing false witness.

You are free to BELIEVE anything you wish to. I have told you that everything you have been claiming is not true and provided you with the scriptures from God's WORD. You can choose to BELIEVE God's Word of not BELIEVE God's WORD.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD over our own words because it is written;

John 12
46,
I am come a light into the world, that whoever believes on me should not abide in darkness.
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day. Light has come to those in drakness but men loved darkness rather then light because their deeds were evil. God's Word will judge all who reject it in the last days.



 

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that's what's weird

love your neighbor as yourself fulfills all the other commandments
In Judaism, love your neighbour means to love your fellow Jew. Your enemies, you kill, see from Moses to the present day.

This is not Christianity. Jesus ended the Old Covenant.
 

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Dont attack someone when you lose an debate.
LGF NEVER responds to anything without spewing E.G. White's garbage; so debating him is impossible. The best one can do is warn believers not yet grounded in the Word not to become entrapped in her garbage.
 
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LGF NEVER responds to anything without spewing E.G. White's garbage; so debating him is impossible. The best one can do is warn believers not yet grounded in the Word not to become entrapped in her garbage.
Hello MarcR,

You only testify of yourself and speak your own words over the Word of God. Only God's is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

I share only the WORD of GOD and you reject his Words. What scriptures do you disagree with that I have shared with you? If you do not KNOW God's Word how can you BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another?

John 3:34
For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure to him.

He who God does not send speaks of himself...

HOW DO WE KNOW IF SOMEONE IS OF GOD OR NOT?

1 John 2
3,
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3,
And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.


WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
17,
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
12,
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.


WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31,
Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Doesn't look good for some come judgement day.

Do you KNOW the scriptures MarcR? IF your lamp has gone out how can you find your way when the road is dark and narrow?

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).






 
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You are breaking law If you told people that not observe sabbath go to hell
Really Jackson?

Where does it say that if you tell anyone that SIN will keep you out of God's KINGDOM you will not be going to HEAVEN?

So in your view all the Jesus, the Apostles and all the prophets are not going to Heaven because they told people SIN will keep you out of God's KINGDOM?

SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
 

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Hello MarcR,

You only testify of yourself and speak your own words over the Word of God. Only God's is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

I share only the WORD of GOD and you reject his Words. What scriptures do you disagree with that I have shared with you? If you do not KNOW God's Word how can you BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another?

John 3:34
For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure to him.

He who God does not send speaks of himself...

HOW DO WE KNOW IF SOMEONE IS OF GOD OR NOT?

1 John 2
3,
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3,
And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.


WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
17,
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
12,
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.


WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31,
Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Doesn't look good for some come judgement day.

Do you KNOW the scriptures MarcR? IF your lamp has gone out how can you find your way when the road is dark and narrow?

.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).








just so folks will know- the first day of the week is called Sabbath ( greek sabbaton ) in Acts 20 v.7 and 1st Corinthians 16 v. 2.

so, there is proof that sun. was called Sabbath, thus a Biblical transition to the Lord's day as a worship day.
 

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just so folks will know- the first day of the week is called Sabbath ( greek sabbaton ) in Acts 20 v.7 and 1st Corinthians 16 v. 2.

so, there is proof that sun. was called Sabbath, thus a Biblical transition to the Lord's day as a worship day.
Thank you. That is worth knowing.

Act 20:7 KJV
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.


1Co 16:2 KJV
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Joh 20:19 KJV
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

1 Corinthians 16:2
First day of ... week — already kept sacred by Christians as the day of the Lord’s resurrection, the beginning day both of the physical and of the new spiritual creations: it gradually superseded the Jewish Sabbath on the seventh day (Psa_118:22-24; Joh_20:19, Joh_20:26; Act_20:7; Rev_1:10). So the beginning of the year was changed from autumn to spring when Israel was brought out of Egypt. Three annual feasts, all typical of Christian truths, were directed to be kept on the first day of the week: the feast of the wave offering of the first sheaf, answering to the Lord’s resurrection; Pentecost, or the feast of weeks, typical of the fruits of the resurrection in the Christian Church (Lev_23:11, Lev_23:15, Lev_23:16, Lev_23:36); the feast of tabernacles at harvest, typical of the in-gathering of the full number of the elect from one end of heaven to the other. Easter was directed to be kept as a holy Sabbath (Exo_12:16). The Christian Sabbath commemorates the respective works of the Three Persons of the Triune God - creation, redemption (the resurrection), and sanctification (on Pentecost the Holy Ghost being poured out). Jesus came to fulfil the Spirit of the Law, not to cancel it, or to lower its standard.
(Jamieson-Fausset-Brown)
 

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"5 One man regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike.
Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."

That God understands where each one of us is comming from and is aware of every word we have heard and read and takes all that into consideration for believers. We need not worry about causing others to sin. If that were a concern, we should gouge out our eyes and cut off our limbs.

29 If your right eye causes you to sin,
gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you
to lose one part of your body than for your whole
body to be thrown into hell.

For example, suppose you are in a crowd and your hand touches a married woman's rear end. When you get home, cut that arm off.
I'm not sure what difference it should make to me or Paul what one man, who is weak in the Faith thinks or another man, who is weak in the Faith thinks. What should we be convinced of? That man is God? That we should listen to and follow man?

In the true Body of Christ there is only one God, one Faith. Should we all be fully convinced in our own minds of this truth?

I think you misunderstand Paul.

Rom. 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

It doesn't matter what man thinks, only what God says. Can you agree with this?


Rom. 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Paul is saying what does it matters what one man thinks or another man thinks. Jesus, before becoming a man, created Holy and Unholy, clean and unclean, righteous and unrighteousness.

If we choose Him as He instructed we will receive His Spirit.

Jesus said, before becoming a flesh and blood man;

Duet 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (Jesus) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

And again after he became a man;

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

I think the "Weak in Faith" chapter of Romans is greatly misunderstood.
 

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LGF NEVER responds to anything without spewing E.G. White's garbage; so debating him is impossible. The best one can do is warn believers not yet grounded in the Word not to become entrapped in her garbage.
Since I don't know the 'garbage E G White teaches and can not seem to detect it from LGF'posts...would you kindly mention one, two or a few so I would know and be able to avoid them ? It's not asking too much to provide an explanation with the warning ?
 

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I think my first analysis was correct then. I'l make the question simpler for you:

Are those who continue to practice sin Christians? And is not observing the OT Sabbath (4th comand) sin?
What do you call 'OT SaBBATH ? do you mean the 'DAY...or do you mean 'OBSERVANCE ? which is it in your opinion ?
 

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Really Jackson?

Where does it say that if you tell anyone that SIN will keep you out of God's KINGDOM you will not be going to HEAVEN?

So in your view all the Jesus, the Apostles and all the prophets are not going to Heaven because they told people SIN will keep you out of God's KINGDOM?

SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
my Dear,

to tell that sin keep you out of the kingdom is love, but to tell non sabbath observance go to hell is Lie and hatred
 

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Lord forgive them for they know not wahat they do or say!!!!!! No one had to teach on the sabbath beasuse it was Being observed by everyone already.
TRUE ! When Jesus, the Prophets, the Apostles (handpicked by Jesus) and the Bible speak about SABBATH it was/is a 'given' they spoke of the 7th Day and not any other !!!
This DECEPTION of another worship day(s) did not come about UNTIL MEN introduced them....
UNGODLY men who had infiltrated their meetings/assemblies/fellowship. Just because they called themselves 'christian' is no authority to change GOD's Times !!!
 

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TRUE ! When Jesus, the Prophets, the Apostles (handpicked by Jesus) and the Bible speak about SABBATH it was/is a 'given' they spoke of the 7th Day and not any other !!!
This DECEPTION of another worship day(s) did not come about UNTIL MEN introduced them....
UNGODLY men who had infiltrated their meetings/assemblies/fellowship. Just because they called themselves 'christian' is no authority to change GOD's Times !!!
The Lord of Sabbath taught us about the Sabbath much.. that should settle it for any Believer but like you point out there is ungodly men as subtle as the serpent beguiling..
 

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my Dear,

to tell that sin keep you out of the kingdom is love, but to tell non sabbath observance go to hell is Lie and hatred
All wicked UNrepentant sinners will eventually go into the lake of fire if they don't repent and change. Please read Mal ch 4, it's only a few verses...and if you call these lies and hatred your problem is with God not us who are warning you 'in love !
 

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The Lord of Sabbath taught us about the Sabbath much.. that should settle it for any Believer but like you point out there is ungodly men as subtle as the serpent beguiling..
Hello my Dear...where have you been this long time ? Been ill myself for the past few days...but God be praised slowly on the mend again.