Is there more than one God

giantone · Jul 17, 2010

John 1

1 ¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 ¶And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

I'd say verse 1 says it all.

AgeofKnowledge · Jul 17, 2010

Mich223 said:

The very word for God in the Old Testament (elohim) is plural in form; indeed, it can be translated "gods" (see Ps. 82:6). However, when used of God, it is plural grammatically, not ontologically.

It is plural in literary form, but not in actual reality. The many verses that use this form for God but that declare He is absolutely one are proof that this form is not intended to indicate a plurality of gods.

As one fellow was sure to point out in this thread the use of "we" or "us" of God is another literary form known as a royal or regal plural. It is used of royalty and of God in Semitic cultures.

Even in a rigid monotheism such as Islam, where there is only one person in the Godhead, there are still references in the Qur'an to God as "we" or "us" (see Sura 6:55,76; 7:ll7, 138, etc.).

Now the Hebrew word for one (echad) used of God can and does have "many in one." For example, in Genesis 2:24 it refers to male and female as one (echad) flesh. At best this is an implication of the Trinity, not an affirmation of polytheism, for the Bible clearly condemns polytheism.

Nonetheless, while not allowing that there are many gods (polytheism) or many beings in the Godhead (tritheism), the Bible does allow for a plurality of persons within the unity of essence by such terms as echad. So while not opposing monotheism, the term echad does favor trinitarianism... which is what scripture teaches and exactly what I have been sharing which is standard fare at every scholarly conservative christian seminary on the planet.

God is three and one in different senses. He is three persons, but He has only one essence (nature). He is a plurality within unity. God has a plurality of persons and a unity of essence; God is three persons in one nature. There is only one "What" (essence) in God, but there are three "Whos" (persons) in that one What.

The doctrine of the Trinity is based on two basic biblical teachings:

(1) There is one and only one God.
(2) There are three distinct persons who are God: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Each individual member of the Trinity is a person, since each is referred to as a person (I, Who). Each has all the basic elements or powers of personhood: mind, will, and feeling. Each person of the Trinity is revealed in scripture.

The scriptural evidence for this position is all through scripture and is exactly what was taught in the New Testament Church by the Apostles.

The Father speaks to the Son, The Son speaks to the Father, All three persons are in scripture together at once, the Trinity is implied in the Old Testament, The Trinity is taught in the New Testament, there Is a functional order in the Trinity, etc...

Orthodox trinitarianism and Christology must be carefully distinguished from several heresies. Most of these have been condemned by councils of the Christian Church and include tritheism, modalism (sabellianism), arianism, docetism, nestorianism, monophysitism (eutychianism), patripassianism, monotholitism, apollinarianism, subordinationism, monarianism, adoptionism, and binitarianism.

The exact heresy, unfortunately, you see some people on this forum propigating.

If you hold to the doctrine of the Trinity you are exactly in the good company of the OT prophets, Jesus, the NT apostles, and the early church fathers.

Ricke · Jul 17, 2010

Age of Knowledge

Well you certainly cling onto the Trinitarian viewpoint.
I beleive in The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost but the Three are ONE, they are not 3 separate persons, with 3 separate personalities. The Original Apostles in The First Century Church, never preached about a three person God.

To beleive there is, one only needs to read II Corinthians 4 v 4 to see who keeps this beleif going.

Isaiah 9 v 6 "For unto us a CHILD is born, unto us a SON is given. And his name shall be called wonderful, counsellor, The Mighty GOD, The everlasting FATHER, and the prince of peace."

Now let's be honest with each other; do you really see two "persons" in that verse which is a prophecy about Jesus??

Let's try this as well: Isaiah 43 v 11 "I, even I, am The Lord, and BESIDE ME there is NO SAVIOR"

Matthew 1 v 21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he SHALL SAVE his people from their sins"

Re-read what God said about "Beside Me" ONE savior my friend, only ONE.

Speaking about the Birth of Jesus. We are taught that The Father is the creator of Jesus, correct? Well check this out ...

Luke 1 v 35 "And the Angel answered and said unto her, The HOLY GHOST shall come upon thee, and the Power of THE HIGHEST shall overshadow thee......."

Now, Sir, the Bible teaches there is only ONE SPIRIT, so how could be The Father, and The Holy Ghost be TWO Spirits??
(I Corinthians 12 v 13/Ephesians 4 v 4) so if the Trinity is to be beleive, Then The Holy Ghost is The Father of Jesus (person#3) rather then The Father (person#1) see how confusing this is?

The Trinity Doctrine started 325 AD at the council of Nicea at the official beginning of The Roman Catholic Church. The Gnosticss intellegencia of Alexandria, Egypt introduced this after seeing "Father, Son, Holy Ghost" likened it to their Sun God Trinity of Isis, Horus, and Seb. These were pagan un-godly people who could care less about Jesus, Christianity, and most of all The TRUTH.

The Gnostics also gave us The "Da Vinci Code" greY bunch of Folks in Satan's service......

charisenexcelcis · Jul 17, 2010

Ricke said:

Age of Knowledge

Well you certainly cling onto the Trinitarian viewpoint.
And you cling to your unitarian point of view. Jesus spoke of the Father and to the Father very clearly as a separate person. Since Jesus believed the Father to be a separate person, I choose to be so also.
I beleive in The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost but the Three are ONE, they are not 3 separate persons, with 3 separate personalities. The Original Apostles in The First Century Church, never preached about a three person God.
The Original Apostles were considered to be heretics because they considered Jesus to be God. Nevertheless they consistantly spoke of Jesus and the Holy Spirit as separate persons.

To beleive there is, one only needs to read II Corinthians 4 v 4 to see who keeps this beleif going.
Since we do not deny or diminish the deity of God, this would not apply to trinitarians. I fully believe and proclaim the gospel of the glory of Christ.

Isaiah 9 v 6 "For unto us a CHILD is born, unto us a SON is given. And his name shall be called wonderful, counsellor, The Mighty GOD, The everlasting FATHER, and the prince of peace."
The name "Fathe" is a title which describes God the Father's relationship to Jesus and to us as well as Jesus relationship to us. Each of those is different from the other, yet in each case that is the best word to describe that particular relationship. So I am a father and so is my father, but we are not the same person.

Now let's be honest with each other; do you really see two "persons" in that verse which is a prophecy about Jesus??
No, I see Jesus. That verse proclaims the deity of Jesus which I fully believe. It does not describe the structure of the Godhead.

Let's try this as well: Isaiah 43 v 11 "I, even I, am The Lord, and BESIDE ME there is NO SAVIOR"

Matthew 1 v 21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he SHALL SAVE his people from their sins"

Re-read what God said about "Beside Me" ONE savior my friend, only ONE.
Yes, that savior is God. Do you think that only one person of the Godhead partakes in the salvation of mankind? In this you are mistaken.

Speaking about the Birth of Jesus. We are taught that The Father is the creator of Jesus, correct? Well check this out ...
The Father did not create Jesus. Jesus exists in eternal community with the Father. The incarnation is not the act of creating Jesus, but the act of God the Son becoming flesh.

Luke 1 v 35 "And the Angel answered and said unto her, The HOLY GHOST shall come upon thee, and the Power of THE HIGHEST shall overshadow thee......."
The incarnation was an act by all three persons of the Godhead.

Now, Sir, the Bible teaches there is only ONE SPIRIT, so how could be The Father, and The Holy Ghost be TWO Spirits??
(I Corinthians 12 v 13/Ephesians 4 v 4) so if the Trinity is to be beleive, Then The Holy Ghost is The Father of Jesus (person#3) rather then The Father (person#1) see how confusing this is?
You are mixing unrelated references. If the statement that there is one Spirit is taken as universal, applying to every aspect and situation, then it would follow that we share one spirit and are not individuals. This is confusing only because you look to it to supply something it does not. On the other hand, if there is no distinguishing between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, why does the Ephesians verse say there is one God, only to say there is one Lord, and finally to say that there is one Spirit? As you can see, those original apostles did indeed consider the three to be separate persons.

The Trinity Doctrine started 325 AD at the council of Nicea at the official beginning of The Roman Catholic Church. The Gnosticss intellegencia of Alexandria, Egypt introduced this after seeing "Father, Son, Holy Ghost" likened it to their Sun God Trinity of Isis, Horus, and Seb. These were pagan un-godly people who could care less about Jesus, Christianity, and most of all The TRUTH.
The doctrine of the Trinity did not start in 325. The council attempted to express the doctrine which was always apparent and believed from the beginning of Christianity.

The Gnostics also gave us The "Da Vinci Code" greY bunch of Folks in Satan's service......

It is Satan that divides and accuses. Whose work are you doing?

AgeofKnowledge · Jul 17, 2010

Ricke said:

I hold fast to the scripturally accurate viewpoint Ricke. And I can articulate it very well.

AgeofKnowledge · Jul 17, 2010

For example, you exercise fallicious reasoning in surmising that something needs a creed to be true. The creed was developed in response to heretics who were deviating from the scriptural truth imparted by the apostles to the early church (as Paul the Apostle noted when leaving Ephesus warning the church leaders that wolves would come into their midst). The Old Testament alluded to it and Jesus, the apostles, and the early church Fathers taught what we today call the doctrine of the Trinity.

Furthermore, the early creeds of Christendom affirm God's absolute triune simplicity beginning before the Council of Nicea (A.D. 325). Gregory Thaumaturus declares:

"There is therefore nothing created, nothing greater or less (literally, nothing subject) in the Trinity (oute oun ktiston ti, he doulon en te triadi), nothing superadded, as though it had not existed before, but never been without the Son, nor the Son without the Spirit; and this same Trinity is immutable and unalterable forever".

Such a formula, stating clearly the distinction between the Persons in the Trinity, and emphasizing the eternity, equality, immortality, and perfection, not only of the Father, but of the Son and of the Holy Spirit certainly was the position of the early Orthodox church before Constantine.

Same with Novatian (circa 200 – 258) who wrote a thirty-one chapter treatise on the Trinity, etc...

Ricke you're teaching regarding the Trinity, like your history regarding the Trinity, is nonsense and inaccurate.

forerunner · Jul 17, 2010

charisenexcelcis said:

Ricke speaks the truth of God's word and for it you accuse him. WOW!!! I ask you who are you working for.

forerunner · Jul 17, 2010

AgeofKnowledge said:

Thank for the advice, however it is I, not you who does believe as the apostles did. the Trinity doctrine began long after the deaths of the Apostles.

charisenexcelcis · Jul 17, 2010

forerunner said:

When I was fifteen, I was a schizophrenic. It was environmental. My mother is deeply ill, mentally. I suffered from meglomania and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. My goal in life was to become the False Prophet for the Antichrist. I was deeply involved in the real occult, not the media presentation.
The Lord sent a man named Ron Shires into my life. He was the first person that ever treated me with any concern. Over a years time, I came to trust him, and through him, I came to consider Jesus. On August 1st, 1973, I climbed up Prayer Mountain near San Diego. I met Jesus there. I have dedicated my life to serving my Lord with more fervor and loyalty than I ever served my former master. I have served my Lord now for almost thirty-seven years and am still amazed at His grace toward me. I have come to recognize and rely upon His voice of grace. God's grace has taken me from mental illness and self-worship to a life with abundant blessings both spiritual and temporal. I am priviledged to serve Him and will do so until He calls me home.

AgeofKnowledge · Jul 18, 2010

forerunner said:

Thank for the advice, however it is I, not you who does believe as the apostles did. the Trinity doctrine began long before the deaths of the Apostles.

There we go. Just about right now.

Slepsog4 · Jul 18, 2010

There are subject/object distinctions between the Father and the Son, as well as the two of them and the Holy Spirit. And yet all three are described as possessing divine attributes. Speaking of the godhead or trinity is a matter of 1 what and 3 who.

The godhead is an expression of all three of the following: Unity, Diversity, and Equality.

AgeofKnowledge · Jul 18, 2010

charisenexcelcis said:

When I was fifteen, I was a schizophrenic. It was environmental. My mother is deeply ill, mentally. I suffered from meglomania and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. My goal in life was to become the False Prophet for the Antichrist. I was deeply involved in the real occult, not the media presentation.
The Lord sent a man named Ron Shires into my life. He was the first person that ever treated me with any concern. Over a years time, I came to trust him, and through him, I came to consider Jesus. On August 1st, 1973, I climbed up Prayer Mountain near San Diego. I met Jesus there. I have dedicated my life to serving my Lord with more fervor and loyalty than I ever served my former master. I have served my Lord now for almost thirty-seven years and am still amazed at His grace toward me. I have come to recognize and rely upon His voice of grace. God's grace has taken me from mental illness and self-worship to a life with abundant blessings both spiritual and temporal. I am priviledged to serve Him and will do so until He calls me home.

Another amazing testimony of God's love and grace. Fantastic!

GraceBeUntoYou · Jul 18, 2010

If there's one thing that grabs my attention, and is bound to get any of us 'crazy' Calvinists out of our caves, what better way to do it than a direct attack on the Trinity? I've written at what seems to be lengths end on the forums about this subject, and so for the most part, it may seem to be a bit of a repeat. May God, if He be willing, grant

The passage at hand is Genesis 1:26, which states,

"Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.'"

The question has been raised as to what this is referring to. One poster asks if this means if there are a plurality of gods. Short answer, there is One God (more on this); however, this plurality is indeed in reference to the Trinity -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- three Persons in One Godhead.

Scripture declares that there is only One God, for it is written, 'Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!' (Deuteronomy 6:4) However, what is most interesting about this passage is the Hebrew term 'echad,' translated here in English as 'one.' 'Echad' has a variety of meanings, including 'compound unity.' The same term used in Deuteronomy 6:4 is also used in Genesis 2:24:

'For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.’

That’s not to say that the husband and wife become one in person, as in numerical value. Rather, one in UNITY. To help paint the picture a bit more clearly, and as an illustration, refer to Galatians 3:28, which declares, 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.’ After marriage, does a man and woman literally become one person? Or are they unified as one flesh? Is every member of the body of Christ literally in one fleshly body? Or are we all individual persons that are UNITED together, and make up the body of Christ?

To make this a bit more obvious (keeping Galatians 3:28 in mind), Jesus said to His Father in John 17:22, 'The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one,just as We are one;' As pointed out previously, the body of Christ is the UNITY of the Church. Likewise, THAT is what Jesus meant when He said, 'I and the Father are One.' The Father, and the Son are One in UNITY, just as the Church is one in unity.

Moreover, Isaiah 48:12-16 says,

'Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.
Surely My hand founded the earth,
And My right hand spread out the heavens;
When I call to them, they stand together.
Assemble, all of you, and listen!
Who among them has declared these things?
The LORD loves him; he will carry out His good pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm will be against the Chaldeans.
I, even I, have spoken; indeed I have called him,
I have brought him, and He will make his ways successful.
Come near to Me, listen to this:
From the first I have not spoken in secret,
From the time it took place, I was there
And now the Lord GOD has sent Me,and His Spirit."

Clearly, in this excerpt of Scripture, we have the God of Ages, the Creator speaking. He says, 'I am He, I am the first, I am also the last. Surely My hand founded the earth, And My right hand spread out the heavens;' But yet, He says, 'And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit.' Here we have the Father which sends the Son (the 'Me,' the one who's hand founded the earth), and His Spirit.

The Word pre-existed WITH the Father, you have heard it said, 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.' (John 1:1-2) This is also emphasized in John 17:5, which states, 'Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.'

The Father did not take the flesh. The pre-incarnate Son, the Eternal Word took the flesh, as it is written, 'And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.' This same concept is reiterated in John 4:2-3, 'By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ HAS COME IN THE FLESH is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.'

It was Jesus Christ, the Word from all Eternity, whom was always with the Father, and it was He that took the flesh. There's that plurality of Genesis 1:24, the 'Us.' Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- three Persons in unity and in purpose, three Persons in the One Godhead.

Now, back to my cave I go.

GraceBeUntoYou · Jul 18, 2010

GraceBeUntoYou said:

If there's one thing that grabs my attention, and is bound to get any of us 'crazy' Calvinists out of our caves, what better way to do it than a direct attack on the Trinity? I've written at what seems to be lengths end on the forums about this subject, and so for the most part, it may seem to be a bit of a repeat. May God, if He be willing, grant

The passage at hand is Genesis 1:26, which states,

"Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.'"

The question has been raised as to what this is referring to. One poster asks if this means if there are a plurality of gods. Short answer, there is One God (more on this); however, this plurality is indeed in reference to the Trinity -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- three Persons in One Godhead.

Scripture declares that there is only One God, for it is written, 'Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!' (Deuteronomy 6:4) However, what is most interesting about this passage is the Hebrew term 'echad,' translated here in English as 'one.' 'Echad' has a variety of meanings, including 'compound unity.' The same term used in Deuteronomy 6:4 is also used in Genesis 2:24:

'For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.’

That’s not to say that the husband and wife become one in person, as in numerical value. Rather, one in UNITY. To help paint the picture a bit more clearly, and as an illustration, refer to Galatians 3:28, which declares, 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.’ After marriage, does a man and woman literally become one person? Or are they unified as one flesh? Is every member of the body of Christ literally in one fleshly body? Or are we all individual persons that are UNITED together, and make up the body of Christ?

To make this a bit more obvious (keeping Galatians 3:28 in mind), Jesus said to His Father in John 17:22, 'The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one,just as We are one;' As pointed out previously, the body of Christ is the UNITY of the Church. Likewise, THAT is what Jesus meant when He said, 'I and the Father are One.' The Father, and the Son are One in UNITY, just as the Church is one in unity.

Moreover, Isaiah 48:12-16 says,

'Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.
Surely My hand founded the earth,
And My right hand spread out the heavens;
When I call to them, they stand together.
Assemble, all of you, and listen!
Who among them has declared these things?
The LORD loves him; he will carry out His good pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm will be against the Chaldeans.
I, even I, have spoken; indeed I have called him,
I have brought him, and He will make his ways successful.
Come near to Me, listen to this:
From the first I have not spoken in secret,
From the time it took place, I was there
And now the Lord GOD has sent Me,and His Spirit."

Clearly, in this excerpt of Scripture, we have the God of Ages, the Creator speaking. He says, 'I am He, I am the first, I am also the last. Surely My hand founded the earth, And My right hand spread out the heavens;' But yet, He says, 'And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit.' Here we have the Father which sends the Son (the 'Me,' the one who's hand founded the earth), and His Spirit.

The Word pre-existed WITH the Father, you have heard it said, 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.' (John 1:1-2) This is also emphasized in John 17:5, which states, 'Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.'

The Father did not take the flesh. The pre-incarnate Son, the Eternal Word took the flesh, as it is written, 'And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.' This same concept is reiterated in John 4:2-3, 'By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ HAS COME IN THE FLESH is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.'

It was Jesus Christ, the Word from all Eternity, whom was always with the Father, and it was He that took the flesh. There's that plurality of Genesis 1:24, the 'Us.' Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- three Persons in unity and in purpose, three Persons in the One Godhead.

Now, back to my cave I go.

Appears as if part of the first paragraph is missing. Should continue to say, 'May God, if He be willing, grant to you the same knowledge of the truth which He has granted to the Church and has kept preserved for centuries.'

forerunner · Jul 18, 2010

Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis

When I was fifteen, I was a schizophrenic. It was environmental. My mother is deeply ill, mentally. I suffered from meglomania and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. My goal in life was to become the False Prophet for the Antichrist. I was deeply involved in the real occult, not the media presentation.
The Lord sent a man named Ron Shires into my life. He was the first person that ever treated me with any concern. Over a years time, I came to trust him, and through him, I came to consider Jesus. On August 1st, 1973, I climbed up Prayer Mountain near San Diego. I met Jesus there. I have dedicated my life to serving my Lord with more fervor and loyalty than I ever served my former master. I have served my Lord now for almost thirty-seven years and am still amazed at His grace toward me. I have come to recognize and rely upon His voice of grace. God's grace has taken me from mental illness and self-worship to a life with abundant blessings both spiritual and temporal. I am priviledged to serve Him and will do so until He calls me home.

AgeofKnowledge said:

God is good,. However that does not give you the right to accuse your brother in Christ of being on satans side because he understand a truth you have yet to grasp.

forerunner · Jul 18, 2010

GraceBeUntoYou said:

You can refute modalism all you want I am not a modalist, and that is not what Ricke was teaching.

P.S. I see your signature shows you are calvinist, so at this point I cannot take seriously anything else you say

GraceBeUntoYou · Jul 18, 2010

This is a repost, had things to add. Modalism is not truth, see my above refutation. Modalism is the belief that God changes His mask based on who He wants to be. God could change His mask and be Jesus one moment, and then the Father the next. If you are a Oneness Pentecostal, which, by your teachings it seems that you are (baptism in Jesus name only, Jesus is the Father, etc.), then Oneness/Modalism is a doctrine that you adhere to.

If Modalism (or Oneness, whatever you'd have it be called) is true, and Jesus is the same as the Father, as your doctrine teaches, who is Jesus taking the scroll from in Revelation 5? Is there a higher God than God Himself? If Jesus is the Father, and Jesus is taking the scroll out of God's hand, then does even the Father have a God? I think not.

forerunner · Jul 18, 2010

GraceBeUntoYou said:

There is a difference between true Oneness, and modalism. you (and others, all people really) should know who and what they are debating before that debate them. Calling me a modalist would be akin to me calling you a mormon simply because you do not believe in the uni-personal God-head. Now wouldn't that be a little ridiculous?

forerunner · Jul 18, 2010

GraceBeUntoYou said:

Nope, especially not on this thread seeing that it is off topic. Sorry I brought it up. However it has caused me to discredit your other opinions.

forerunner · Jul 18, 2010

GraceBeUntoYou said:

I have noticed two things by your statement in this post.
#1 Looks like you talked your self into a circle.
#2 You are trying to use you finite mind to understand an infinite God, rather than just believing His word.

Until you correct your error in reasoning, I do not know if i can help you.

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