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There's some critical things I have in disagreement with Oneness theology all together, not to mention their doctrine of baptismal regeneration, which they claim is essential for salvation. Most often times when trying to prove that baptism is essential for salvation, the most common excerpt of Scripture that is referred to is John 3:5, which reads,
I contend that the Oneness folks have a bad case of Arminianism, ripping and tearing one verse from this chapter, and one verse from that chapter in attempt to prove a doctrine that just isn't Biblical. If only they had read one verse more.
Being born of water is not being baptized in water, but it's actually in reference to physical birth, simply put, the water broke. You must be born physically out of a woman's womb (of the water), and then you must be born again, that is, you must be born spiritually (of the Spirit). 'Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.' -- John 3:5-6
If John 3:5 is in reference to water baptism, I ask you, what about the thief on the cross? Though, he was not baptized, he entered into paradise. Some will conclude that the thief was under the Old Covenant, and did not have to be baptized. However, I ask in reference to John 3:5, is not Nicodemus, a Jew, under the Old Covenant? The same people who say the thief did not need to be baptized because he was subject to the Old Covenant, are the same people that insist that Jesus is telling an Old Covenant Jew that he must be baptized in water to be saved in John 3:5.
At Pentecost, did the men receive the Spirit by water baptism? Or had they received the Spirit before water baptism? Acts 2:1-5 tells us that the Holy Spirit descended first, and then later in verses 37-38, they were baptized.
To conclude, Oneness groups teach a salvation by works, that it is based on mans works that will get him into heaven. In this case, they must be baptized in water to enter into heaven, rather than salvation being by God's good grace, and by pressing His Spirit on whoever He wishes to have mercy on.
"And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, it was said to her, 'THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER.' Just as it is written, 'JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.' What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! For He says to Moses, 'I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION.' So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, 'FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH.' So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." -- Romans 9:10-18
Jesus answered, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.'
Most of you know me, as I'm sure most of us have crossed paths before in some pretty heated discussion. And if you know me, or have read some of the things I've posted, you'll know I like context... a lot. So with that said, when Nicodemus asked Christ, 'How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?' Jesus answered, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.' Was Jesus speaking about water baptism? I would like to point out that when Christ spoke to Nicodemus, the Christian baptism was not yet in effect. The Christian baptism comes later at Pentecost (Acts 2).
I contend that the Oneness folks have a bad case of Arminianism, ripping and tearing one verse from this chapter, and one verse from that chapter in attempt to prove a doctrine that just isn't Biblical. If only they had read one verse more.
Being born of water is not being baptized in water, but it's actually in reference to physical birth, simply put, the water broke. You must be born physically out of a woman's womb (of the water), and then you must be born again, that is, you must be born spiritually (of the Spirit). 'Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.' -- John 3:5-6
If John 3:5 is in reference to water baptism, I ask you, what about the thief on the cross? Though, he was not baptized, he entered into paradise. Some will conclude that the thief was under the Old Covenant, and did not have to be baptized. However, I ask in reference to John 3:5, is not Nicodemus, a Jew, under the Old Covenant? The same people who say the thief did not need to be baptized because he was subject to the Old Covenant, are the same people that insist that Jesus is telling an Old Covenant Jew that he must be baptized in water to be saved in John 3:5.
At Pentecost, did the men receive the Spirit by water baptism? Or had they received the Spirit before water baptism? Acts 2:1-5 tells us that the Holy Spirit descended first, and then later in verses 37-38, they were baptized.
Acts 2:1-5 says, "When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance. Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven." Acts 2:37-38 goes onto say, "Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, 'Brethren, what shall we do?' Peter said to them, 'Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'"
What's important to understand in regards to Acts 10:48, and Acts 19:5 is the portion of the text that says, 'in the name of':And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. -- Acts 10:48
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. -- Acts 19:5
'In the name of' is in reference to authority, or by the power of. Therefore, when one is baptized in the name of Jesus, that is, by the authority of Jesus, they should be baptized in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as commanded in Matthew 28:19.When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. -- Acts 19:5
To conclude, Oneness groups teach a salvation by works, that it is based on mans works that will get him into heaven. In this case, they must be baptized in water to enter into heaven, rather than salvation being by God's good grace, and by pressing His Spirit on whoever He wishes to have mercy on.
"And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, it was said to her, 'THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER.' Just as it is written, 'JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.' What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! For He says to Moses, 'I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION.' So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, 'FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH.' So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." -- Romans 9:10-18
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CARM has a good article on the heretical teachings of the Oneness Penetecostal cult: Oneness Pentecostal | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Here's a good article by CARM on baptism: Is Baptism Necessary for Salvation? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Here's a good article by CARM on baptism: Is Baptism Necessary for Salvation? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
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I have heard all these arguments before, it is dancing around the truth.
1. The thief on the Cross./ until Jesus (the testator) died the New Testament Dispensation/ salvation was not in effect. The thief on the cross was the last person recorded in The Bible who was dived simply by his Faith alone, and Jesus being God had the absolute right to grant this man salvation. In the OT many people a list too long to list were saved without having to be baptized, which became effective AFTER Jesus died. Read Hebrews chapter 9 to see under the NT different rules went in effect.
Jesus and Nicodemus; Jesus was not talking.g about Water from a womb. This is the latest scam from Satan's playbook to assure people they can skip water Baptism and just getThe Holy Ghost.
Answer this then; why would Jesus himself undergo Water Baptism as a teaching tool for us, which was coming after he died, whereby he tells Nicodemus he must be Baptized Water and Spirit. A two- fold Baptism.(Matthew 3 v 13-17) everyone take special note what Jesus told John The Baptist.; in verse 14 John tells Jesus he needs Jesus to baptize he John in verse 15 Jesus rebuked him: " Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becomes us to FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS" then John Water Baptized Jesus who was God, and did'nt need to be Baptized, but he did it as OUR EXAMPLE., so the story about it being Womb Water, is another lie from hell.
This thing is right and air tight. I already proved from Scripture whY the Name of The Father, Son, Holy Ghost is ( Jesus).
I proved the Apostles Water Baptized Folks , with Water and Spirit just like Jesus told Nicodemus, (Acts 10 v 45-48) so why argue with me, the simple messenger?
If you don't want to accept scripture and proven sound doctrine then you need to discuss this with Jesus not me. If anyone can find any scripture I have posted is out of context or being falsely portrayed, then show me. I'm not perfect but I have teaching this for over 19 years so let me know. God Bless Everyone here, love the Lord. And Thank him for his truth...lol.
I have heard all these arguments before, it is dancing around the truth.
1. The thief on the Cross./ until Jesus (the testator) died the New Testament Dispensation/ salvation was not in effect. The thief on the cross was the last person recorded in The Bible who was dived simply by his Faith alone, and Jesus being God had the absolute right to grant this man salvation. In the OT many people a list too long to list were saved without having to be baptized, which became effective AFTER Jesus died. Read Hebrews chapter 9 to see under the NT different rules went in effect.
Jesus and Nicodemus; Jesus was not talking.g about Water from a womb. This is the latest scam from Satan's playbook to assure people they can skip water Baptism and just getThe Holy Ghost.
Answer this then; why would Jesus himself undergo Water Baptism as a teaching tool for us, which was coming after he died, whereby he tells Nicodemus he must be Baptized Water and Spirit. A two- fold Baptism.(Matthew 3 v 13-17) everyone take special note what Jesus told John The Baptist.; in verse 14 John tells Jesus he needs Jesus to baptize he John in verse 15 Jesus rebuked him: " Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becomes us to FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS" then John Water Baptized Jesus who was God, and did'nt need to be Baptized, but he did it as OUR EXAMPLE., so the story about it being Womb Water, is another lie from hell.
This thing is right and air tight. I already proved from Scripture whY the Name of The Father, Son, Holy Ghost is ( Jesus).
I proved the Apostles Water Baptized Folks , with Water and Spirit just like Jesus told Nicodemus, (Acts 10 v 45-48) so why argue with me, the simple messenger?
If you don't want to accept scripture and proven sound doctrine then you need to discuss this with Jesus not me. If anyone can find any scripture I have posted is out of context or being falsely portrayed, then show me. I'm not perfect but I have teaching this for over 19 years so let me know. God Bless Everyone here, love the Lord. And Thank him for his truth...lol.
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It's obvious that he is a Roman Catholic, a Western Brother in Christ, from the Vatican Flag and his name Santo Subito. 
Does your denomination have some kind of website i can browse so i can get a general overview of your beliefs?
I'm part of the original Apostolic Christians.
Nope this is what Paul, and Jesus both taught
1st Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
And when Jesus was praying to His Father He said this.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
This is an Oneness teaching not Trinity
1st Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
And when Jesus was praying to His Father He said this.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
This is an Oneness teaching not Trinity