GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Studyman]

When Jesus said that, He was defending people accused of breaking the Sabbath. He defended David's breaking the Law by eating the showbread ans was saying that breaking the Sabbath was no different. He was saying that the people who broke the Sabbath were more important than the Sabbath.

Your words to not erase what He said. He was addressing how the Mainstream Preachers of His time had corrupted God's Commandment. David broke the Pharisees version of God's Sabbath, not God's.

 

[phil36]

Your words to not erase what He said. He was addressing how the Mainstream Preachers of His time had corrupted God's Commandment. David broke the Pharisees version of God's Sabbath, not God's.

That's very strange.. the Pharisee's did not exist in Davids day. So David did not break the rules of second temple judaism.

 

[Studyman]

um, Jesus had been in public for 3 years. he was famous. the thief knowing who he was, which is different than knowing and accepting Him as Lord and Savior, is not proof of a personal encounter.

pilate thought Jesus was innocent. but , he did not accept Him as Lord and Savior. see, interjecting things into the text, instead of just reading and accepting the text.

and, maybe we should be more concerned the rfid chip than who keeps what day and what the pope says. that is the real control device the n.w.o. is pushing out.

LOL,

nope. I will call you one. because that is what you do- you lie, you belittle other's knowledge of the Bible, you insert your opinions as facts ( the thief on the cross already knew Christ, text does not say so, you do

You tell so many stories you can't keep them apart. You just said the thief didn't know Jesus, now you said he knew Him, but not personally.

You should write your stories down so you can keep them straight.

 

[MarcR]

Your words to not erase what He said. He was addressing how the Mainstream Preachers of His time had corrupted God's Commandment. David broke the Pharisees version of God's Sabbath, not God's.

Mark 2:27
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
KJV


The issue is NOT mankind vs Israel! NOTHING is said about that .

When the commandment was given to Israel, Ex 20:9-11
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
KJV
the word work was undefined; leaving it to each man's conscience to decide what to refrain from.

Subsequently the rabbis and pharisees took it upon themselves to define in minute detail what was work.

Jesus is telling the rabbis and pharisees that the Sabbath was made to give the people rest and joy tot to burden them.

There is nothing to suggest that he was broadening the command to keep the Sabbath beyond Israel.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Mark 2:27
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
KJV


The issue is NOT mankind vs Israel! NOTHING is said about that .

When the commandment was given to Israel, Ex 20:9-11
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
KJV
the word work was undefined; leaving it to each man's conscience to decide what to refrain from.

Subsequently the rabbis and pharisees took it upon themselves to define in minute detail what was work.

Jesus is telling the rabbis and pharisees that the Sabbath was made to give the people rest and joy tot to burden them.

There is nothing to suggest that he was broadening the command to keep the Sabbath beyond Israel.

MarcR,

Most of your statement I can agree with accept the last part highlighted which does not agree with God's word or the NEW COVENANT.

WHO WAS THE SABBATH CREATED FOR?

Mark 2:27
27 And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath


WHO IS GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT?

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED (ISRAEL) FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28-29).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

Gentiles are now grafted into God's Israel in the NEW COVENANT (Romans 11:13-23)

God's Israel are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD.

BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more (Hebrews 8:10-12).

If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you are NOT a part of the NEW Covenant promise. God's LAW is to be written on the heart to LOVE and it is LOVE that is the POWER to fulfill God's LAW in those who BELIEVE.

Those that are still in their SINS do not KNOW God. SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7). Those who practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter God's KINGDOM because they do not LOVE and therefore do not FOLLOW him who loves all.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this is helpful.

 

[Dan_473]

Hi Dan,

It is not for me to judge another. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. God says judge RIGHTESOUS Judgement. None of us are good only God is good and only God's judgement (His Word) is RIGHTEOUS

God's Word very clearly describes who his people are and who his people are not. Those that through FAITH BELIEVE and OBEY (Follow) God's Word are his people.

Those who break God's Commandments and live in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not KNOW God and are NOT his people.

If you are BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's Word then you are his people. This is between you and God.

God's Word tells us if we are following him or not and if we KNOW God.

God's Word is very clear on who his people are as shown earlier; We need to judge righteous judgement (according to the Word of God).....

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.


WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.


Romans 6

1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that GRACE may abound? GOD FORBID. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

This is why Jesus says; IF you LOVE me KEEP my Commandments (John 14:15)

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. UNBELIEVERS will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

continuing on

He who says he is in the light and hates his brother, is in the darkness even until now.
1 John:2:9
He who loves his brother remains in the light, and there is no occasion for stumbling in him.
1 John:2:10

remembering always that happy is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written in it, for the time is at hand.
Revelation:1:3

 

[Studyman]

Mark 2:27
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
KJV


The issue is NOT mankind vs Israel! NOTHING is said about that .

When the commandment was given to Israel, Ex 20:9-11
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
KJV
the word work was undefined; leaving it to each man's conscience to decide what to refrain from.

Subsequently the rabbis and pharisees took it upon themselves to define in minute detail what was work.

Jesus is telling the rabbis and pharisees that the Sabbath was made to give the people rest and joy tot to burden them.

There is nothing to suggest that he was broadening the command to keep the Sabbath beyond Israel.

Jesus, before He became a man, said:

Ex. 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Then after He became a man said:

The Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Seems pretty clear for me, but I'm not trying to defend modern church doctrine. If you want separate the Word's of Christ before He came to earth, from the Word's of Christ after He came to earth, have at it. But he is the same God.

then Jesus said:

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

You are the one who separates His sayings, not God or me. He defines His definition of work perfectly for those who are interested in defining it. But For those who are only interested in justifying their lifestyle or religious traditions, not so much.

You are right about one thing, it is not about man VS. Israel. It's about religious man VS. God/Jesus.

 

[Grandpa]

Grandpa you are a funny one. I love those scriptures you have quoted above. I have told you many times already though that I believe, as do many others do here, that we are ONLY SAVED by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of ourselves. It is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8).

Now if we all in agreement that we do not obtain salvation and righteousness by trying to keep God's LAW then we are all in agreement and you have no argument now do you?

If you have no argument then what is it that you are arguing about?

Some people however make the mistake of assuming the GRACE and FAITH are a liscence to SIN. This is not biblical at all and is is false Gospel which first originated in the Garden of Eden by the father of lies.

If your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23). If your tree has not FRUIT then it will be cast down and thrown into the fire (Matt 7:12-23; James 2:18-20; 26)

GRACE and FAITH do not ABOLISH God's LAW they ESTABLSIHT it because being born again to LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

..............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

It looks like you are arguing with yourself or you just don't understand what you are saying.

If you aren't right before God by keeping the law then what is the point of keeping it?

Shouldn't a person focus on what makes them right before God and not worry about all the fluff that doesn't matter and won't make them right before God???

Maybe you haven't thought this all the way through.

 

[LoveGodForever]

continuing on

He who says he is in the light and hates his brother, is in the darkness even until now.
1 John:2:9
He who loves his brother remains in the light, and there is no occasion for stumbling in him.
1 John:2:10

remembering always that happy is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written in it, for the time is at hand.
Revelation:1:3

Hi Dan,

Absoluetly, LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE.

Matthew 22
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38, This is the FIRST and great commandment.
39, And the SECOND is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS

this links to...

Matthew 19
16, And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17, And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.
18, He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
19, Honor your father and your mother: and, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS (Jesus is quoting from Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18)

links to...

Romans 13
8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
9, For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

links to...

James 2
8, If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

Jesus, Paul and James all agree that it is only through LOVE that anyone can OBEY and FOLLOW God and is why Jesus says; IF you LOVE me keep my Commandments (John 14:15).

..............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Dan_473]

What is the true Body of Christ?

Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Jesus could have warned about Islam, or Atheists or heathens here, but He didn't. There is only one group of people on the planet that comes in Christ's Name, that claims that Jesus is truly the Christ. And that is Christianity. So Jesus is specifically warning about "Christians" who come to deceive. And this theme is constant throughout the Bible. Jesus was killed by the only God of Abraham preaching people on the planet. Stephen was stoned to death, not by heathens, but by those who claimed the God of Abraham as their God. This theme goes all the way back to Caleb whose religious brothers wanted to kill for telling the truth, all the way back to Abel who was killed by his "Christian" brother Cain. This Biblical truth can not be denied.

Ask yourself, everyone on this forum knows of man's sinful nature. I hear it every day. Man is so wicked they can't possibly obey God's Commandments. Yet, these same people trust preachers and web sites over the Word of God every day. They know man is deceitful and sinful, yet prefer his preaching over the Word of God.

Why is this Dan?

Jesus tells us flat out so that even a child could understand.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Religious doctrines and traditions of man are preferred over the Word because we don't want our wickedness exposed to others or even our self. If you are honest with yourself you know this is true. But we know for sure that there is one MAN who "over come" His human wickedness. One God who loved us so much that He became a MAN to show us how to "Endure". How to have victory over our flesh. He is the Rock, the foundation of my Faith. Not the Pope, or Jim Bakker. But Jesus.


Heb. 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


Duet. 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (Jesus) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

I don't know who you are and you don't know me. But we both can choose God and His Words like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Caleb, Rehab, Zechariahs, etc did. (compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,)

We can trust Him and His Body while we "Seek" the Kingdom of God.

Rom. 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

How can I prove this if I am following the preaching of a person that Jesus warned about? How can I know the truth if I am following a church that transgresses the Commandments of God by their religious traditions?

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And (THEN) I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Again;

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Remember, Jesus said the path was narrow and few are on it. Let's find the path first.

Matt. 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Then we can see who is in the Body.

i think those that "come in my name" refers to people who are only pretending to be Christians

the body of Christ
For as the body is one, and has many members, and all the members of the body, being many, are one body; so also is Christ.
1 Corinthians:12:12
For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians:12:13

 

[MarcR]

Jesus, before He became a man, said:

Ex. 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Then after He became a man said:

The Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Seems pretty clear for me, but I'm not trying to defend modern church doctrine. If you want separate the Word's of Christ before He came to earth, from the Word's of Christ after He came to earth, have at it. But he is the same God.

then Jesus said:

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

You are the one who separates His sayings, not God or me. He defines His definition of work perfectly for those who are interested in defining it. But For those who are only interested in justifying their lifestyle or religious traditions, not so much.

You are right about one thing, it is not about man VS. Israel. It's about religious man VS. God/Jesus.

ou are attempting to twist words to conform to your warped doctrine which is consistent with the way you usually handle Scripture. When I respond to your posts I do so for the purpose of warning ungrounded believers of your error.

I am not interested in arguing with you. You seem to be as teachable as my left shoe and I don't argue with it either.
Y

 

[LoveGodForever]

It looks like you are arguing with yourself or you just don't understand what you are saying.

If you aren't right before God by keeping the law then what is the point of keeping it?

Shouldn't a person focus on what makes them right before God and not worry about all the fluff that doesn't matter and won't make them right before God???

Maybe you haven't thought this all the way through.

Grandpa,

We keep God's Commandments ONLY because we LOVE Jesus and BELIEVE his WORD.

We are NOT saved by keeping God's LAW. Jesus is our Savior FROM SIN not IN SIN. We are all SINNERS who need a Savior to save us. The true GOSPEL is the one that teaches God has POWER to save a SINNER from the power of SIN. It does not teach that God saves the SINNER to continue IN SIN.

Those that teach Salvation is IN SIN are teaching another Gospel which was the fist LIE told in the Garden of Eden by the devil (If you break God's Commandment you will NOT surely die but be as God knowing good and evil)

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7)

Those that CONTINUE in KNOW UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM because they have rejected the GIFT of God's salvation from SIN in those who BELIEVE God's WORD.

SIN will keep ALL who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

.............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Studyman]

ou are attempting to twist words to conform to your warped doctrine which is consistent with the way you usually handle Scripture. When I respond to your posts I do so for the purpose of warning ungrounded believers of your error.

I am not interested in arguing with you. You seem to be as teachable as my left shoe and I don't argue with it either.
Y

Thank you for that spirit filled rely.

 

[Grandpa]

Grandpa,

We keep God's Commandments ONLY because we LOVE Jesus and BELIEVE his WORD.

We are NOT saved by keeping God's LAW. Jesus is our Savior FROM SIN not IN SIN. We are all SINNERS who need a Savior to save us. The true GOSPEL is the one that teaches God has POWER to save a SINNER from the power of SIN. It does not teach that God saves the SINNER to continue IN SIN.

Those that teach Salvation is IN SIN are teaching another Gospel which was the fist LIE told in the Garden of Eden by the devil (If you break God's Commandment you will NOT surely die but be as God knowing good and evil)

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7)

Those that CONTINUE in KNOW UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM because they have rejected the GIFT of God's salvation from SIN in those who BELIEVE God's WORD.

SIN will keep ALL who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

.............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Shouldn't we do what makes us Right before God because we love the Lord Jesus?

Why get involved with stuff that won't make us right before God?


According to you we should place ourselves under the curse just for fun because supposedly it makes the Lord happy.

Galatians 4:21-31

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Do you understand any of that?

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

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[SUB][/SUB]

 

[Studyman]

i think those that "come in my name" refers to people who are only pretending to be Christians

the body of Christ
For as the body is one, and has many members, and all the members of the body, being many, are one body; so also is Christ.
1 Corinthians:12:12
For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians:12:13

So then you believe every human on earth drinks of that one Spirit?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Shouldn't we do what makes us Right before God because we love the Lord Jesus?

Why get involved with stuff that won't make us right before God?


According to you we should place ourselves under the curse just for fun because supposedly it makes the Lord happy.

Galatians 4:21-31
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Do you understand any of that?

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

He Grandpa,

Your missing the point. LOVE is the FULFILLING of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE. If you LOVE Jesus you will keep his COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15).

If you do not you will continue in SIN. This is why unless you are born again you will NOT see the KINGDOM of heaven. SIN will keep all who KNOWINGLY practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

We are ONLY SAVED by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8)

However if your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8; Romans 6:23)

IF your tree has NO FRUIT then it is cast down and thrown into the FIRE (Matt 7:12-23)

Many teach the false gospel that God will save you if you continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN. This is not the power of God unto salvation from SIN. Many do not KNOW what GRACE and FAITH are for...

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that GRACE may abound? GOD FORBID. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

SIN is breaking God's 10 Commandments (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7). Those who CONTINUE IN KNOWN SIN do not KNOW GOD and will not ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

...................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[gb9]

Jesus, before He became a man, said:

Ex. 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Then after He became a man said:

The Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Seems pretty clear for me, but I'm not trying to defend modern church doctrine. If you want separate the Word's of Christ before He came to earth, from the Word's of Christ after He came to earth, have at it. But he is the same God.

then Jesus said:

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

You are the one who separates His sayings, not God or me. He defines His definition of work perfectly for those who are interested in defining it. But For those who are only interested in justifying their lifestyle or religious traditions, not so much.

You are right about one thing, it is not about man VS. Israel. It's about religious man VS. God/Jesus.

o.k. mr. oneness . I told you this already, but again, in the Mount of Transfiguration , God the Father came down and said , in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the profits ) and said " this is my beloved Son........ HEAR HIM .

so, God the Father separated the words. you know, God the Father, Jesus the Son , and the Holy Sprit. trinity.

 

[gb9]

He Grandpa,

Your missing the point. LOVE is the FULFILLING of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE. If you LOVE Jesus you will keep his COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15).

If you do not you will continue in SIN. This is why unless you are born again you will NOT see the KINGDOM of heaven. SIN will keep all who KNOWINGLY practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

We are ONLY SAVED by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8)

However if your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8; Romans 6:23)

IF your tree has NO FRUIT then it is cast down and thrown into the FIRE (Matt 7:12-23)

Many teach the false gospel that God will save you if you continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN. This is not the power of God unto salvation from SIN. Many do not KNOW what GRACE and FAITH are for...

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that GRACE may abound? GOD FORBID. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

SIN is breaking God's 10 Commandments (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7). Those who CONTINUE IN KNOWN SIN do not KNOW GOD and will not ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

...................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

sin is missing the mark, falling short of a standard , knowing to do good and not doing so. not just command breaking. how many of the 10 did the rich man violate in the lazurus the beggar parable Christ told in Luke 16? and where did the rich man end up?

the rich man knew to do good and did not do so. he could have kept the 10 all his life, and still missed the kingdom. the letter kills. the Sprit gives life. the Sabbath does not save.

 

[Studyman]

o.k. mr. oneness . I told you this already, but again, in the Mount of Transfiguration , God the Father came down and said , in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the profits ) and said " this is my beloved Son........ HEAR HIM .

so, God the Father separated the words. you know, God the Father, Jesus the Son , and the Holy Sprit. trinity.

I know Jesus and His Father are One. That the Word's Jesus preached were not His own, but the Father's, that Jesus created the Sabbath, and that He created it for man, and that it is one of 10 Commandments that Jesus said to follow if I want to enter life.

He followed it, Paul and Peter followed it, and the New Gentile were directed to learn from Moses on it, and in the future everyone will observe it.

You are free to find a religion that rejects these Biblical truths, there are "MANY" who come in Christ's Name to choose from.

There are not 3 different Gospels coming from 3 different entities. There is one Law, one God, and one Faith, as it is written.

 

[gb9]

I know Jesus and His Father are One. That the Word's Jesus preached were not His own, but the Father's, that Jesus created the Sabbath, and that He created it for man, and that it is one of 10 Commandments that Jesus said to follow if I want to enter life.

He followed it, Paul and Peter followed it, and the New Gentile were directed to learn from Moses on it, and in the future everyone will observe it.

You are free to find a religion that rejects these Biblical truths, there are "MANY" who come in Christ's Name to choose from.

There are not 3 different Gospels coming from 3 different entities. There is one Law, one God, and one Faith, as it is written.

no, gentiles were not told to go synagogue. total lie. the thing that James said, to jewish men, that they could go and hear Moses read was recorded in v. 21 of Acts 15. the letter that was sent to the gentiles is v. 23- 29. no mention of going to the synagogue in the letter.