mark of the beast

[MatthewG]

There will never be a mark of the beast any more.
The Church has done be raptured, or caught up in the air, when the Lord came back, like He said He was going to.

I know we are stuck here on this earth now, and there will be no return, or being caught up in the air, but there is still benefits to having the Lord Jesus Christ in our life now than not at all.

Some people believe that there will be a mark of the beast, some people do not believe that there ever will be a mark of the beast because it already happened once.

I'm on the side of the fence that says, look it's been 2000 years, already and we are still here, maybe the Lord Jesus Christ already set up His kingdom and it resides in the believers here now on this earth, being part of the heavenly Jerusalem an citizen of heaven because of believing in God, and the Lord Jesus Christ.




Thank God, for the Lord Jesus Christ and everything He has done for the whole world already.

 

[Pipiripi]

Now I'm sure you don't know your bible friend. Go read Revelation 14:6-13. And focus in verse 12

 

[Ahwatukee]

Where did you get the idea that the seventh trumpet signifies the fall of Satan and his angels?

I've already presented where I get it from, but I will list it again. Each seal, trumpet and bowl judgment results in an event of wrath, most of them involving fatalities. The 7th trumpet also has an event, which is Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth which is good for heaven and those who dwell in it, but is a woe to those on earth. Here is a detailed account of why Satan and his angels is the result of the sounding of the 7th trumpet.

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The Seventh Trumpet15The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”

16And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying:“We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
the One who is and who was,
because you have taken your great power
and have begun to reign.
18The nations were angry,
and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
both great and small—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

19Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.

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It is important to remember that trumpets 5, 6 and 7 were referred to as "Woes" after the sounding of the 4th trumpet in Rev.8:13. One "woe" representing each trumpet.

5th trumpet/1st woe = Demonic beings released from the Abyss to torment the inhabitants of the earth for five months.

"The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come."

6th Trumpet/2nd woe = Four evil angels and their demonic army of 200 million kill one third of the earths population via the fire, smoke and sulfur which proceeds from the horses mouths.

"The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.

7th Trumpet/3rd woe = Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth.

"But woe to the earth and the sea,because the devil has gone down to you!"

Rev.11:15-19 = A pre-celebratory announcement of the results of the sounding of the 7th trumpet, and God's temple in heaven being opened. So far no event of woe has taken place.

Revelation 12 = the 3rd woe which results at the sounding of the 7th trumpet, as described below:

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A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.3Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[SUP]a[/SUP] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.7Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
11They triumphed over him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.
12Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea, (3rd woe)
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.” (Satan has 3 1/2 years before he is thrown into the Abyss)

13When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
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From the sounding of the 7th trumpet in Revelation 11 there is not even of woe. It is not until Rev.12 that we see the result of the 7th trumpet and its corresponding woe, which is Satan and his angels being thrown out of heaven, which is part of the process of the authority of the nations and the earth reverting back from Satan to God and mankind (see Luke 4:5). It is apart of the process that Jesus restored when as a human being redeemed mankind and reclaimed the authority of the nations.

Without the event of Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth, you have no other woeful event taking place in the context, which means there would then be no event of wrath as a result from the 7th trumpet like there was with the 5th and 6th trumpet. All it would be is a pre and post celebratory announcements and God's temple being opened and that's it.

The 3rd woe is listed where is says "but woe to the inhabitants of the earth." Many just read over this, but this where the 3rd woe is mentioned.


[HR][/HR]Footnotes:

 

[Ahwatukee]

There will never be a mark of the beast any more.

Matthew, you have no idea of what you are talking about and should not be proclaiming these things.

It is scary to hear you and others say that there will be no mark of the beast, when we have the technology taking place before our very eyes! We have people already being implanted and that under the skin of the hand and that for the purpose of making purchases (buying). Therefore, your claim that "there will never be a mark of the beast anymore" is futile, because it's already happening. As we continue on, we will see this technology of this device being implanted continue to evolve leading up to the revealing of the antichrist/beast. During the middle of that seven years is when this device which will replace card swiping and cell phone bank apps allowing the inhabitants to continue electronic buying and selling via that mark/device. As I said, your claim is irrelevant and that because we are already seeing this technology being implemented.

Did you even look at those videos regarding the mark? If you haven't, you should. The mark is not about the past, but is of the future and that coming antichrist. Just remember this, don't stand in line to have anything implanted under or on the skin of your hand or forehead that will allow you to buy or sell. If you receive this when scripture clearly states the details of this as well as the consequences, you won't be able to say that you weren't warned.

 

[MatthewG]

Now I'm sure you don't know your bible friend. Go read Revelation 14:6-13. And focus in verse 12

Yeah, I believe that would be the end time saints, the ones going through the great tribulation of that time, when you got to Revelation 15 you see victory over the beast.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I don't think it's an implant of some sort. It would be too easy (and painful) to dig it out of the hand or forehead if you don't want it in you anymore.. JMO

 

[Ahwatukee]

I don't think it's an implant of some sort. It would be too easy (and painful) to dig it out of the hand or forehead if you don't want it in you anymore.. JMO

Currently the technology is being implanted under the skin of the hand, but I'm sure that as time goes on this will evolve into something more applicable. What will remain constant is that it will go in/on the right hand or the forehead. Those who receive it will be doing so for one purpose, that is to continue living, because without it no one will be able to buy or sell. To put it into perspective for our time, no one will be able to electronically credit or debit their bank accounts unless they have the mark and that because all other forms of buying and selling will have become obsolete.

That fact remains though that, people are being implanted under the skin of the hand and that for the purpose of making purchases.

 

[garee]

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Matthew, you have no idea of what you are talking about and should not be proclaiming these things.

It is scary to hear you and others say that there will be no mark of the beast, when we have the technology taking place before our very eyes! We have people already being implanted and that under the skin of the hand and that for the purpose of making purchases (buying). Therefore, your claim that "there will never be a mark of the beast anymore" is futile, because it's already happening. As we continue on, we will see this technology of this device being implanted continue to evolve leading up to the revealing of the antichrist/beast. During the middle of that seven years is when this device which will replace card swiping and cell phone bank apps allowing the inhabitants to continue electronic buying and selling via that mark/device. As I said, your claim is irrelevant and that because we are already seeing this technology being implemented.

Did you even look at those videos regarding the mark? If you haven't, you should. The mark is not about the past, but is of the future and that coming antichrist. Just remember this, don't stand in line to have anything implanted under or on the skin of your hand or forehead that will allow you to buy or sell. If you receive this when scripture clearly states the details of this as well as the consequences, you won't be able to say that you weren't warned.

Technology advancement has nothing to do with the gospel and neither does buying and selling the goods of this world . The buying and selling has to do with the spiritual truths.

The mark is not a literal mark as if we we walked by sight anymore than the thousand years in chapter 20 is . Its signified like the rest of the book of Revelation spoken of as a parable.

What trump do you think is pictured on the last day the day of the Lord seeing the last days began when the veil was rent?

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

 

[garee]

I don't think it's an implant of some sort. It would be too easy (and painful) to dig it out of the hand or forehead if you don't want it in you anymore.. JMO

Hand and forehead represent the will when used in those parables.Just as in all parables the proper prescription must be applied or the spiritual understanding will be missed..

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[iamsoandso]

There will never be a mark of the beast any more.
The Church has done be raptured, or caught up in the air, when the Lord came back, like He said He was going to.

I know we are stuck here on this earth now, and there will be no return, or being caught up in the air, but there is still benefits to having the Lord Jesus Christ in our life now than not at all.

Some people believe that there will be a mark of the beast, some people do not believe that there ever will be a mark of the beast because it already happened once.

I'm on the side of the fence that says, look it's been 2000 years, already and we are still here, maybe the Lord Jesus Christ already set up His kingdom and it resides in the believers here now on this earth, being part of the heavenly Jerusalem an citizen of heaven because of believing in God, and the Lord Jesus Christ.




Thank God, for the Lord Jesus Christ and everything He has done for the whole world already.

You said that you think it already happened( the mark) once, who do you think had the mark back then?

 

[MatthewG]

You said that you think it already happened( the mark) once, who do you think had the mark back then?

Because I believe the book of Revelation John wrote for the 7 churches, and the entire audience was the world at the time that they knew, about. The Rule of Rome was going to take over the Land, and Israel, Jerusalem was a target.

I believe that there was a time where the beast, anti Christ was shown, for the people back in the days when these things were written about. I believe that Nero was known as the Beast, and the anti Christ, who was revealed at the time because He ordered people to Worship Him, and He would kill Christians because they would not worship Him, or pledge allegiance to Him and receive an mark.

Nero commanded His people to worship day and night, there would be no rest for them, as things progressed things would get worse and worse from what the trumpets, and bowl judgement the trumpet and bowl judgments go together, and so does the egyptians plagues that were poured out on them, like the judgement was going to be poured out on the beast, and the judgement that came upon the nations at the time.

You can also read about in Chapter 15 of Revelation of the Victory over the Beast and the Mark, and the Last of the plagues were going to finished up.

 

[iamsoandso]

Because I believe the book of Revelation John wrote for the 7 churches, and the entire audience was the world at the time that they knew, about. The Rule of Rome was going to take over the Land, and Israel, Jerusalem was a target.

I believe that there was a time where the beast, anti Christ was shown, for the people back in the days when these things were written about. I believe that Nero was known as the Beast, and the anti Christ, who was revealed at the time because He ordered people to Worship Him, and He would kill Christians because they would not worship Him, or pledge allegiance to Him and receive an mark.

Nero commanded His people to worship day and night, there would be no rest for them, as things progressed things would get worse and worse from what the trumpets, and bowl judgement the trumpet and bowl judgments go together, and so does the egyptians plagues that were poured out on them, like the judgement was going to be poured out on the beast, and the judgement that came upon the nations at the time.

You can also read about in Chapter 15 of Revelation of the Victory over the Beast and the Mark, and the Last of the plagues were going to finished up.

lol, we all know that the wrath of God is poured out on those who worship the image of the beast and receive his mark but in everything you said in response my fiend you still do not answer (who) received it was it the Roman citizens,the Jews, the Christians,WHO? you seem convinced that someone did and the wrath of God was then poured out on them then(ad70ish) but who define WHO.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Nero commanded His people to worship day and night, there would be no rest for them

Man, I have seen people twist scripture and take it out of context, but I took the prize here! This is the worst I've seen! The verse that you're applying to the beast above is what is God is going to do to those who worship the beast, his image and/or receive his mark, not what the beast is going to do to those who worship him. We know that it is God who will cause the smoke of their torment to rise up and that they will have no rest day or night, because of who is mentioned in the context:

"And they will be tormented with fire and burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb."

Since they are being tormented with fire and burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb, this would demonstrate that it is God's punishment upon those who worship the beast, his image or receive the beasts mark. You really need to stop teaching these lies. Remember God's warning about adding to or taking away from the prophesies of the book of Revelation:

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And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.

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[Ahwatukee]

Hand and forehead represent the will when used in those parables.Just as in all parables the proper prescription must be applied or the spiritual understanding will be missed..

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

1). The information regarding the mark is not parable

2). we already have people being implanted under the skin of the literal hand

3). The scripture that you quoted above is terribly misapplied. Paul was speaking about how our eternal glory outweighs our momentary troubles and therefore to fix our eyes not on what is temporary, but what is unseen, which is eternal. Your quote up there is a perfect example of taking scripture out of its context.

 

[MatthewG]

You know what...


I don't even have a response, and I want to so bad.

Oh well. I've talked enough on this subject already. It's just and endless circle.

 

[preston39]

There will never be a mark of the beast any more.
The Church has done be raptured, or caught up in the air, when the Lord came back, like He said He was going to.

I know we are stuck here on this earth now, and there will be no return, or being caught up in the air, but there is still benefits to having the Lord Jesus Christ in our life now than not at all.

Some people believe that there will be a mark of the beast, some people do not believe that there ever will be a mark of the beast because it already happened once.

I'm on the side of the fence that says, look it's been 2000 years, already and we are still here, maybe the Lord Jesus Christ already set up His kingdom and it resides in the believers here now on this earth, being part of the heavenly Jerusalem an citizen of heaven because of believing in God, and the Lord Jesus Christ.




Thank God, for the Lord Jesus Christ and everything He has done for the whole world already.

M...,

It appears you have concluded that the rapture is the 2nd advent of Christ...it is not.

 

[Ahwatukee]

You know what...


I don't even have a response, and I want to so bad.

Oh well. I've talked enough on this subject already. It's just and endless circle.

You have nothing to say! If you can't understand what I just pointed out, then you're not even able to comprehend scripture at all. The punisher is God in that verse because those who worship the beast, his image and receive his mark, will be in the presence of the holy angels and Lamb.

Now just stop it! You're being completely ignorant.

And a third angel followed them, calling in loud a voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or hand, he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever. Day and night there will be no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

The person who worships the beast, his image and receives his mark will drink the wine of GOD'S ANGER, being tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the HOLY ANGELS AND OF THE LAMB!. Can you read?

You need to stop teaching this on this because you don't know the first thing about these events. You are just butchering the word of God and there is a consequence for that if you continue it.

 

[iamsoandso]

You know what...


I don't even have a response, and I want to so bad.

Oh well. I've talked enough on this subject already. It's just and endless circle.

Yes I do know what that is if it is Rome then the Roman empire and it's citizens were not destroyed in ad70 they continued right on as though their judgment had not yet come. Now if it is the Jews who are to have received it then in fact they did not according to Josephus Josephus: Of the War, Book II that is in chapters 10,11 it was said that the Jews fought against Rome/Nero ect. and they wee accused of "impiety" (I would read the whole book) and why is that every time someone tried to set up an image to be worshiped the Jews fought against it polluting the temple.

If you do a word search of the book I gave for the word "piety" and look up it's definition it will stand out that the Jews from ad66-70(and before/back to Herod) refused to see Caesar as "God",let him pollute the temple with it's image's and they minted their own coins to keep from using Romes money with pagan images on then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish_Revolt_coinage

Nero did kill many Christians before he committed suicide but not for refusing to worship him it was because he was setting the blame off on them for the burning of Rome which is in even Romes account of it's history.

I meant to say "my friend" but the "r" sticks on my keyboard so I apologize for typing "my fiend" in my former post I missed it when I looked over it (I have to hit the "r" harder than the other letters or it missed it,lol).


In conclusion though it would not make any sense to say that the Jews who revolted against Rome from ad66-70 worshiped any Of the Caesars or the government of Rome as God because their are the writings of Josephus and others in history that show that instead of doing as some say they did they instead "rebelled" against it's authority after all it is referred to as Jewish revolt,Jewish rebellion or simply Wars. Now if someone rebells and refuses it should be simple enough to see that the Jews then did not worship Rome no receive his money mark to buy and sell.

 

[Joseppi]

Ahwatukee,The scripture states that God's wrath comes after the seventh trumpet sounds.Revelation 11:18 ...thy wrath is come.

 

[Joseppi]

Ahwatukee,Why are you ignoring the scriptures that prove you are wrong about when the wrath of God comes?I posted what the scripure says contrary to your presented understanding of Revelation.You ignored it.You have ignored that the scripture states that when the first seal is broken, it is after Jesus Christ redeemed mankind by his blood.You are teaching a heresy, for you are teaching that Satan has the right to accuse brethren in Christ before God, day and night, regardless of the blood of Christ Jesus being offered at the cross.