GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Dan_473

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Sorry Dan did you want to explain this out a bit more. I am not sure how what you have written relates to what I have posted above it?

Many thanks.
did the priest show love when he gave David the show bread?
 

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Everything the Lord did was on the first day. Creation began on the first day, that was the day of God's appearing, and the new Covenant of Grace began on the first day.
Jesus took 6 days to create the earth and all that is therein, not one as your post suggests. His entire creation foreshadows His Salvation plan, not the Popes.

His day begins at night, then become light. WE are evil first, then "made righteous". We are children first, then adults. The seed dies first, then grows. We are mortal first, then put on immortality.

We have the time of testing first, then we reign with Christ. We make our choices first, then we are judged.

Passover is first, Then Feast of Unleavened bread.

For 6 days He created, then He rested and He sanctified this rest.

I know you are a good catholic and you really believe the ancient traditions and ancient religious customs you push.

But you are furthering a religion which is in direct rejection of God/Jesus and His Salvation plan. You are free to do this as was the serpent to Eve, and the Pharisees to those who chose their words over God. But it is a man made religion and is opposite of what the God of the Bible created for us.

It is a lie to say Jesus did everything on the first day. It is one of six days that we are told to do our work. You can reject His Sabbath, and preach against it to the world, but that doesn't erase His Sabbath.
 

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Jesus took 6 days to create the earth and all that is therein, not one as your post suggests. His entire creation foreshadows His Salvation plan, not the Popes.

His day begins at night, then become light. WE are evil first, then "made righteous". We are children first, then adults. The seed dies first, then grows. We are mortal first, then put on immortality.

We have the time of testing first, then we reign with Christ. We make our choices first, then we are judged.

Passover is first, Then Feast of Unleavened bread.

For 6 days He created, then He rested and He sanctified this rest.

I know you are a good catholic and you really believe the ancient traditions and ancient religious customs you push.

But you are furthering a religion which is in direct rejection of God/Jesus and His Salvation plan. You are free to do this as was the serpent to Eve, and the Pharisees to those who chose their words over God. But it is a man made religion and is opposite of what the God of the Bible created for us.

It is a lie to say Jesus did everything on the first day. It is one of six days that we are told to do our work. You can reject His Sabbath, and preach against it to the world, but that doesn't erase His Sabbath.
RED: Just one of your many errors. Everything you say is error ridden.
 

Studyman

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RED: Just one of your many errors. Everything you say is error ridden.
LOL,

You remind me of a joke I heard about an old couple fighting. The wife was angry and yelled, "You are unfaithful, a liar and your feet stink.

The husband swelled up in prideful indignation and replied . "Don't lie about me, my feet do not stink".
 
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Everything the Lord did was on the first day. Creation began on the first day, that was the day of God's appearing, and the new Covenant of Grace began on the first day.
Well that is not true PS,

Jesus did many things on everyday of the week including God's Sabbath which he kept according to God's 4th Commandment as well as all the disciples and apostles.

Nothing you have said or is there any scripture that says that God's 4th Commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Many keep this day however as part of their Catholic heritage.

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4) Those who continue to in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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Levitical Priesthood isn't what I would call it. It is in fact, the Law Paul is speaking to here. Abraham was given the promise because he was "faithful" to God.

Gen. 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

He was justified without the Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "works of the Law" for remission of sin that was "ADDED" 430 years later, and to be in force "til the Seed Should Come". This Added Law did not make the promise to Abraham void.
that's the tutor i was talking about, that we are no longer under
 
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that's the tutor i was talking about, that we are no longer under
Hi Dan,

This is where you may be mixed up. To be "UNDER THE LAW" means to be guilty of breaking the law or committing SIN.

Rom 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

You are no longer "UNDER THE LAW" when you have been forgiven through FAITH in God's dear son. Thats what it means that God's LAW is our schoolmaster to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. When we are forgiven we are no longer under the LAW guilty of SIN.

To be no longer "UNDER THE LAW" does not mean there is no more LAW because if there was no more LAW there would be no more KNOWLEDGE of SIN.

When you have REPENTED from your SINS and CONFESSED them you Jesus you have FORGIVENESS when you BELIEVE God's promise to you by FAITH (Acts 3:19; 1 John 1:9).

ANYTIME somone SINS they are "UNDER THE LAW because they are guilty before GOD of SIN or breaking the LAW as it is written;

Romans
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For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13, For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

SIN is the transgression or breaking of God's LAW. ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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that's the tutor i was talking about, that we are no longer under
Paul was speaking to the Galatians.

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

This "Law of Works" as Paul calls them in Rom. 3, the "Levitical PRIESTHOOD", was to lead men to the Christ. Everything about this "Priesthood" fore shadowed Christ's sacrifice. Every part of these priesthood "Works of the Law" were created to teach those who truly turned to God about the Messiah and what He was to do for men. Now that Faith (Christ) has come, we no longer need this Priesthood. Hebrews 7 speaks to this perfectly.

The serpent, who comes in Christ's Name, teaches that this is speaking to God's Moral, His universal Law that Abraham followed.

Jesus said to "Take Heed" you are not deceived by them.
 
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Galatians 2:19-21
[SUP]19[/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Sin isn't only breaking the 10 commandments.

Whatsoever is not of faith is also sin.

Whatever is not Righteous before God is sin as well. Such as transgressing against His Grace.
 

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Paul was speaking to the Galatians.

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

This "Law of Works" as Paul calls them in Rom. 3, the "Levitical PRIESTHOOD", was to lead men to the Christ. Everything about this "Priesthood" fore shadowed Christ's sacrifice. Every part of these priesthood "Works of the Law" were created to teach those who truly turned to God about the Messiah and what He was to do for men. Now that Faith (Christ) has come, we no longer need this Priesthood. Hebrews 7 speaks to this perfectly.

The serpent, who comes in Christ's Name, teaches that this is speaking to God's Moral, His universal Law that Abraham followed.

Jesus said to "Take Heed" you are not deceived by them.
if you keep reading, you know, the whole letter, in chapter 3, Paul clearly is talking about the Law of Moses, he quotes Deuteronomy .

but, that's o.k. , most of ya'll don't really believe Paul, you think he contradicts Christ ( not true, but folks think it ).
 

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Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Romans 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Romans 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Romans 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Romans 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Romans 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Romans 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Romans 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Romans 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Romans 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Romans 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Romans 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Romans 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Romans 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Romans 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

That is the deeper understanding of what sin is.

Can any sabbath be kept, any law fulfilled, any work done, or blessing received, or grace administered, that doesn’t rest on faith?

When we stand before Christ what is our stance before him?
Is there going to be an accuser not yet cast down, off to the side saying, this man broke the sabbath ordinance and must be condemned under the law?
The accuser was cast down and thrown out of heaven because of the blood of Jesus.

Why do you think God required Jesus to heal on the sabbath?
Didn’t the religious leaders sitting in the chair of Moses forget something?
How could they sound so righteous but be proven evil.
Yet, Jesus had faith to heal on the sabbath.

See how God forced the misunderstanding of sabbath to be exposed.
Why did God heal on the sabbath day?

Do you think that God rests one day a week in heaven?
Do you think he rests once a week on earth?

Why did Jesus rise from the dead on the eighth day?
In the day of the New Heaven and New Earth, where is the sabbath found?

A weekly sabbath day was made by God to teach man to rest in God.
And we must come to Jesus to find rest.
Do you think that you should rest in Jesus forever? Or, should you rest in him on the seventh day only?

My faith is in Jesus. And Jesus taught me to abide in him. That if I abide in him then I will bear fruit.
Abiding in Christ by faith is the true and eternal sabbath, the eighth day. The day of the firstborn of a new generation, of a new heaven and a new earth, of a new man.

The rest of God is eternal.
In God’s rest all his works were accomplished from the foundation of the world.
 
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Dan_473

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Hi Dan,

This is where you may be mixed up. To be "UNDER THE LAW" means to be guilty of breaking the law or committing SIN.

Rom 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

You are no longer "UNDER THE LAW" when you have been forgiven through FAITH in God's dear son. Thats what it means that God's LAW is our schoolmaster to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. When we are forgiven we are no longer under the LAW guilty of SIN.

To be no longer "UNDER THE LAW" does not mean there is no more LAW because if there was no more LAW there would be no more KNOWLEDGE of SIN.

When you have REPENTED from your SINS and CONFESSED them you Jesus you have FORGIVENESS when you BELIEVE God's promise to you by FAITH (Acts 3:19; 1 John 1:9).

ANYTIME somone SINS they are "UNDER THE LAW because they are guilty before GOD of SIN or breaking the LAW as it is written;

Romans
12,
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13, For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

SIN is the transgression or breaking of God's LAW. ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
i don't think "UNDER THE LAW" means to be guilty of breaking the law or committing SIN.

1 Corinthians 9: 20. To the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain those who are under the law

Paul isn't pretending to be guilty here.
he is performing actions that the Jews of his day thought of as law keeping
 

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if you keep reading, you know, the whole letter, in chapter 3, Paul clearly is talking about the Law of Moses, he quotes Deuteronomy .

but, that's o.k. , most of ya'll don't really believe Paul, you think he contradicts Christ ( not true, but folks think it ).
I don't. Jesus, Moses, Paul, they all taught the same thing.

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

It's just that you refuse to acknowledge the Priesthood that was changed in the New Covenant.
 

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was Jesus born guilty of breaking the law or committing SIN?


Galatians 4: 4. But when the fullness of the time came, God sent out his Son, born to a woman, born under the law
 

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was Jesus born guilty of breaking the law or committing SIN?


Galatians 4: 4. But when the fullness of the time came, God sent out his Son, born to a woman, born under the law
You answer one first Dan.

Has there ever been a human "Born" in the way God created, that was not born "under the law"? In your religion, has there ever been a single human being ever born that was not "under God's Law"? And if you preach there has, can you name them please?
 

Dan_473

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Paul was speaking to the Galatians.

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

This "Law of Works" as Paul calls them in Rom. 3, the "Levitical PRIESTHOOD", was to lead men to the Christ. Everything about this "Priesthood" fore shadowed Christ's sacrifice. Every part of these priesthood "Works of the Law" were created to teach those who truly turned to God about the Messiah and what He was to do for men. Now that Faith (Christ) has come, we no longer need this Priesthood. Hebrews 7 speaks to this perfectly.

The serpent, who comes in Christ's Name, teaches that this is speaking to God's Moral, His universal Law that Abraham followed.

Jesus said to "Take Heed" you are not deceived by them.
i think that the law that came 430 years after Abe was the law that the Israelites were given when coming out of Egypt

starts about here
Exodus 3: 5. He said, "Don't come close. Take your sandals off of your feet, for the place you are standing on is holy ground." - Bible Offline

or maybe here
Exodus 3: 22. But every woman shall ask of her neighbor, and of her who visits her house, jewels of silver, jewels of gold, and clothing; and you shall put them on your sons, and on your daughters. You shall plunder the Egyptians." - Bible Offline

and ends here
Deuteronomy 33: 29 You shall tread on their high places.
 

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You answer one first Dan.

Has there ever been a human "Born" in the way God created, that was not born "under the law"? In your religion, has there ever been a single human being ever born that was not "under God's Law"? And if you preach there has, can you name them please?
i think all humans are born under the law
 

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I, for one, am not under the law, for I am in Christ.

The whole law hangs upon the first two commandments.
That ought to tell you something.
 

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i think all humans are born under the law
Under God's law and under the law of the land, which varies depending on where you live, but not necessarily under Jewish law.